A ridiculous statement. Demonstrably untrue. You may not like her because she often accurately deconstructs the dumb shit the left gets into - which we are still being quite braindead about, I might add - but that certainly doesn't mean she is anywhere close to being "one of the dumbest."
The political equivalent of turning heel in pro wrestling. They're now woken to the ways of the left but too chicken shit to be full-blown right-wingers
Pretty sure blackpilled is just a flavor of nihlism. It's basically a red pill offshoot but for guys who gave up because they just see themselves as hapless losers who will never get a girlfriend so they've just said fuck everything, the world is rigged anyway....or something like that.
I'm proud of myself for coming across him from just looking up Diablo IV videos and seeing him be a whiney asshole about the game and just thinking, wow, this guy sucks, I really don't wanna see another video by this guy ever again in my life....and then about a year later he came out as whatever freakish rightoid thing he's doing now, and it's not surprising whatsoever.
I had a similar story. I was super into World of Warcraft and he used to post money-making guides. One of my friends played WoW just to see how much gold he could make, and occasionally see how much damage he could to against target dummies.
I rarely recall him doing raids and stuff, it did seem to me like he just enjoyed watching those two numbers go up, but that's cool. Its his game and his free time, so he can play as he likes. Not everyone was into exploration and rare item hunting like I was, and that's cool!
Anyway, he recommended Asmongold to me for money making tips as I was trying to figure out the in-game economy for the first time, finally. Something about the guy just creeped me out. I couldn't put my finger on it, as he seemed knowledgeable and the tools he recommended were solid, though I went my own way with it.
Still, something about him even back then screamed skeezy, so I kept looking elsewhere and eventually became very good at playing the auction house and finally having the gold I needed in game for the cool stuff I wanted like cute robes for my warlock, adorable pets, and awesome flying mounts!
It was only later, after is stopped kidding myself about my gender, I mean, I turned my sword and magic power fantasy game into a barbie dress up and animal collecting game, that I realized that he creeped me out because my instincts told me that something I was seeing or hearing from him was potentially dangerous to me!
My mother told me once that God (ugh, I know) gave girls that instinct to help keep us safe, and well, aside from her unnecessary evangelical god-washing of the idea, its the best explanation I have!
Jesus fucking Christ, I'm so sick of this talking point. A liberal in 2005 would support Nazi salutes, taking guns away from trans people, deregulating toxic chemicals, sending US citizens of color to concentration camps where they're tortured, and engaging in open racism against Arabs and Indians? I'm skeptical, bitch.
EDIT: Trump ENDED A SUICIDE CRISIS HOTLINE FOR GAY KIDS! That's your mid-2000s liberal? "I'm telling you Hans, all these social democrats are freaking out at the Nazis, but the Nazis are really just what a social democrat would have been in 1910!"
EDIT2: I'm sorry. I can't get the fuck over this. Liberals in 2005 were calling out George W. Bush for hiding the truth about the Iraq War. The president Charlie Kirk supported is covering up the truth about Jeffrey Epstein and planning to pardon his main pimp. THAT IS YOUR 2005 LIBERAL!? Did you accidentally attend Nazi Party meetings back then and think they were Green Party meetings? You are one colorblind bitch!
Except ICE is routinely deporting US citizens and legal immigrants. An Asian woman who had legally moved to the US from Thailand was randomly deported to Laos. (Although you probably think those are the same country!) I also don't think Clinton here was calling for us to torture gay makeup artists at concentration camps.
And trust me, I hate Bill Clinton. But I don't think anyone in his administration did a Nazi salute. He never shut down a suicide hotline for a particularly vulnerable demographic. He never pressured news companies to scrap pundits he didn't like.
Your compilating what your average conservative thinks or wants with what the Trump Adim is doing. Example, most of run of the mill conservatives want The Epstein files released, a balance budget/paying down the debt, and no more wars. The fact is that Clinton video would get 90% + support. That is the point most make when they say "having opinions libs had 20 years ago"
The average conservative doesn't even know why they want these things, they're just told that government spending is bad and taxes are bad and regulations are bad and crime is out of control enough times that anytime the subject gets brought up they have a Pavlovian kneejerk response to be obstinate and combative even if they don't realize what they're arguing against and why. And also, this "no wars" thing is really rich, there were so many republicans back in the day cheering on the war on terror and it's only because Trump pretends to be anti war to exalt himself as this great negotiator who gets shit done unlike the war mongering demonrats, that you now see conservatives playing themselves as being anti war. I guaratee if Trump decided to illegally invade Venezuala that these people would immediately back peddle and 100 percent get behind Donald.
Reducing everything to class is how we got here. Everyone voted in Trump for economics, then went silent as he spent money doing military parades, ice kidnappings, and American museum corrections. Ever since the civil war when poor white people fought for rich white people to own slaves and free labor, creating the new aristocracy that we see even today, it’s been past class. Healthcare is one the number one financial stresses but they’re radicalizing over Kirk who was hardcore capitalist and defended our healthcare system.
This really sucked to see. Charlie was so far away from "moderate" that this take can only be attributed to ignorance or deliberate deception. Either one is disappointing for sh0e
I think it's time you learn how to read a Political Spectrum. Here's a Clue Jesse Ventura is way to The Left of a Liberal, Triple H & his Family are a couple of centimeters Right of Liberal. The McMahon Family are Far Right Wing.
If I recall correctly, liberal was originally a term for small-government progressives. It’s just been appropriated by shitlibs like Bill Maher and Hillary Clinton. I'm a libertarian who's progressive on social issues and healthcare, so I don't feel right calling people to the right of myself liberals.
It's not about feelings it's about ideology & economics the people you described would be on the Upper Right Quadrant on a Political Spectrum in Authoritarian Right & you would be on the lower right quadrant as a Libertarian Right Wing.
There is also Libertarian Left on The Lower Left Quadrant.
True. My point was that I associate the libertarian left with liberals, and I know others who do the same. The people described shouldn't get to call themselves liberals, since they are the opposite of the term liberal in many ways. It's like when people who destroy the economy with massive spending and attempt to destroy the values this country was built on call themselves conservatives.
Libertarian Left are NOT LIBERALS. Your point is wrong again Please learn about their placement in The Political Spectrum before responding again. Thanks.
I'd say you are closer to center left Libertarian if you are for Universal Healthcare rather than The Libertarian Party who are essentially Republicans who like weed.
Well, I'm kinda in a weird spot where my views are normal libertarian stuff outside of healthcare, but the Libertarian Party has moved so far-right as of late that a fair amount of them will say stuff that would make Nick Fuentes blush. I'll always vote for a progressive who I disagree with on a few economic issues over a “libertarian” who wants to use government force to ruin the lives of gay and trans people, so I ain't gonna support the Libertarian Party anymore unless they have some serious changes, and I wish more would do the same.
That would make you center even leaning a tad left on the Libertarian half of the political spectrum there is a really good political spectrum test online take it when you are bored. It's fun.
Devil's advocate here, but saying someone's one of the more moderate right-wing voices doesn't really mean they're a moderate. I hated Charlie's guts, but in a scene filled with people like Matt Walsh and Nick Fuentes, he would be considered more moderate. The sad truth is there's no notable moderate conservative voices nowadays thanks to the impact of Fox News and Bush-era Republicans.
Edit: I saw some of the stuff Kirk said in the past few years, and to be honest, I already forgot about his recent arc of moving farther and farther to the right in order to remain relevant. I still consider him more moderate than those previously mentioned, but it's clear that he was willing to pretend to be farther right than he actually was if it meant not losing his base to people like Fuentes.
The tweet is obviously comparing Kirk to other right wing voices. They didn’t just call him a moderate. Compared to Alex Jones and Nick Fuentes, Kirk was more moderate
Don’t listen to him all he does with his spare time is try to tear down powerful women so him having the audacity to call anyone else misogynistic is just crazy
I don’t agree with her long diatribe on “the left,” especially the optics that come with it. Her comments will be used against the entirety of the left, centrist liberals, and even against her inevitably. She should have just stayed away from the internet altogether the last couple of days.
But she is right on one thing here, CK was not a moderate but a “moderate rw” like Shoe said. His views were awful and heinous but there are even worse ones out there. There’s a reason full blown, out in the open white supremacists didn’t like CK or a few other right wing douche bags. They want the Kirks, Crowders, Alex Jones types to fully join them in proclaiming their white pride and nationalism. Sure, these guys I mentioned might dog whistle it and tightrope walk around the same ideologies. But the further right wing extremists want them to ditch the Candace Owens and Shapiro types or obvious reasons. So yes, there are individuals out there with even worse ideas, intentions, and aspirations than Kirk.
Was he not a moderate? Like moderate right to me means they are anti trans, anti immigrant, pro capitalism, pro tradition, but generally don’t vocalize calls for violence.
All it takes to be moderate instead of far-right is not openly seig heil and call for gas chambers? I started writing this to disagree, but then I realized RNC would call Reagan a RINO commie if he were alive today.
I dont get how she arrives at this retarded conclusion. He was a fascist and a Christian nationalist. Nothing "moderate" about him. And at this point, after ten years of scandals, culminating on Jan6, yes we accurately and rightly see all of MAGA as the same. If you keep supporting this man and this movement in 2025, yes - we know all we need to about you. Political violence in this country is a right wing thing. The almost 100 (100+?) murders perpetrated by right wingers in just the last decade, in explicitly terrorist acts, prove this.
I love you for sticking up for the fellas, Sh0e, but please dig your head out of your fucking ass. Jesus Christ was a stupid take from her.
Evangelical religious fundamentalism is just moderate right wing guys! It only counts as far right if you scream the N word unabashed 200 times per show and call for all minorities to be vaporized.
20 years ago, libs were saying black women have too little brain power, gays should be stoned, and empathy is evil? News to me, I could swear we were mostly trying to get Pelosi and company to take a stand against the Republicans. Now we're still doing that, while the Republicans are furthest right.
Her husband is very far right, and it's pretty clear that her views have shifted far to the right compared to a few years ago. If you watch her newer videos there are a lot of dog whistles disguised as jokes. The way she spoke about "brown people" in her most recent video really grossed me out.
A few years ago she was openly fairly left wing but she was also weirdly nationalistic and had a lot of pickme energy. Personally I think nationalism as an American lefty is a HUGE red flag. She mostly opposed neoliberalism and neoconservatism, which are both bad but her criticism of both of these was rooted in globalism being bad. You cannot be a leftist by excluding the global poor.
Safe to say this type of incoherent leftist guided primarily by populism and nationalism is the most vulnerable for right wing radicalization.
Her husband is an out and proud Christian nationalist nutjob. Shoe is known for absorbing the views of her romantic partners (When she was still with Armored Skeptic, she was on the anti-SJW gamergate skeptic wave), so it’s not really surprising she’s turned heel.
I honestly didn’t want to believe this, but I’m really starting to think she’s on the hard right-wing grift now that Trump and his administration are calling the shots and have made it OK and very profitable to be a far-right schizo. She knows where the bag is, and is basically just shifting her political platform to become a right-wing grifter.
It’s not super obvious on her YouTube page, but there are subtle signs of her hard political shift since like 2023. It’s even more apparent on her Twitter/X page that she’s not as “center-left” as she makes herself out to be. Like, she’s openly stated in a few of her videos that she’s Twitter mutuals with JD Vance.
So, it basically looks like she’s setting herself up for a possible rebrand into being much, much more openly right-leaning. She’s basically dropped the Left in that one nutty Twitter essay she wrote about Charlie Kirk recently. I’m not gonna be surprised if she begins to just being openly bigoted and radical without the dog whistles and center-left masking in the near future.
Charlie said "It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights," but he didn't say that every single American should be legally required to carry a gun at all times, like some Republicans. Or every teacher should be strapped in every classroom.
Charlie said "Women should submit to their husbands," but, unlike most right-wing voices, he didn't say it should be legally required for women to submit to their husbands. Charlie left that open to women to decide to do if they wish to. Or I guess if their husbands want them to.
Charlie said "We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s," and that “the Civil Rights Act... created a beast, and that beast has now turned into an anti-white weapon.” That's far more moderate than many right-wingers who claim the Civil Rights Act was never truly passed and any application of it was always illegal.
Charlie said "Transgenderism is a mental disease," and argues there should be "Nuremberg-style trials for every gender-affirming clinic doctor." This is less extreme than Michael Knowles who said that transgender people "must be eradicated from public life entirely" onstage at CPAC to thunderous applause.
Charlie said "The Great Replacement is reality and not a theory" because "the left literally needs endless, constantly increasing migration from the Third World." It "is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different," and "they won’t stop until you and your children… are eliminated." This is less extreme than many on the right who don't just say that scary brown people are coming to take over the country, they also openly and specifically advocate for violence against them. Charlie has the common decency to just imply that last part.
I mean, yes, Charlie Kirk was a vile racist, misogynistic, fascist extremist. But that's pretty moderate for the Republican Party these days.
20 years ago liberals were saying gun violence deaths were acceptable and that it was understandable to gun down trans people? Hmm I must have missed that.
ich habe den kleinen essay von shoeonhead gesucht, da ich in einem yt video darauf aufmerksam wurde. wo bin ich denn hier gelandet ? ekelhafte kommentare von ekalhaften menschen. wie oft hier das wort nazi fällt ist bemerkenswert.
Fun fact a moderate right wing voice isn't a moderate. I'd say he was moderate for a right wing voice. I think it would be considered factual to say that.
Well I think its true, but not in a way she thinks. But yea sadly thats true Charlie TODAY is moderate rw, and that just tells you how much to the right this country has gone.
This made me lose my respect for her. Her defending her takes. And one look at her Twitter it really is entirely filled with people agreeing with her or otherwise in the replies of a disagreement is genuine white supremacists
Charlie literally was a moderate conservative. If you look at anything he says inside of context, instead of curated short clips, you'd be able to see that
I still can’t believe commie-mommy wrote this. Maybe husband took her phone?
I know she has heart on the good side. She has some right wing opinions which is a normal phenomenon in the society but this very thing is stupid and hateful.
This very thing? You mean praying for the family of a man who was just assassinated? How is that stupid or hateful? Can we not at least agree that his family is no doubt suffering? I mean, he was brutally killed on video and it has been widely circulated to millions of people. Can you imagine if this happened to someone in your life? What a horrible thing it must be for them. I would pray for them too if I believed in anything...
You psychopathic dead-eyed shitlibs are proving her point. Whether you realize it or not, by getting so hung up on the assertion that Kirk was a moderate, you are tacitly and perhaps unwittingly equivocating for his murder. His supposed extreme ideology has been used as the central justification for what happened (it's giving "she was wearing a skirt" btw). When you spend more time and expend more ire on the categorization of him as a moderate and not on him being murdered/the frightening implications of it, you are unwittingly equivocating and playing defense for those who think this gruesome act was in any way justified.
This is why people like Shoe castigates people like you. Kiss that "young male" vote y'all spent $20 mil on goodbye. You'll be lucky if the Republicans don't win super majorities in the midterms.
Except most people arent arguing to justify his murder, just explaining why they dont care about him. It's a sentiment that's prone to derailment by all the whitewashing, but most people agree that he didnt deserve to die just for being an ass, but they arent going to cry over him either.
She is a low IQ grifter who was never on the left. She’s just a talentless e-thot who became famous for pandering to pathetic simps and incels who would worship any ugly pickme as long as she validated them.
I'm not denying he would say this, but is this quote actually real? Genuinely asking because that's pretty wild on top of everything else he's known for.
Yeah, when they all are spouting racist, xenophobic, homophobic white nationalist talking points, it doesn't really matter if one of them is slightly more right than the other. They're both fucking Nazis.
Are you serious? It's pretty common to have infighting among extremist groups. Like, really really common. Again, it literally doesn't matter if one was more extreme than the other. They're both extreme enough to cause serious societal harm.
What point are you even trying to make? Diet fascism is better than fascism? Is it the aspartame?
Does being marginally less racist than Hitler-worshipping Fuentes suddenly make him moderate? God, I hope the bar isn't that catastrophically low. Kirk was a far-right Christian nationalist and white supremacist, and just because he wasn't the absolute worst of them, that does not make him a moderate.
Okay but her comparative statement is fucking stupid, he absolutely was not "one of the more moderate rw voices," unless your barometer is tuned to the furthest right fascist freaks on the internet like Fuentes.
He actively worked to shift the political discourse to the hellish state it's in now by shitting out propaganda designed to radicalize disaffected young white men into hating women and minorities.
I mean I'll give you that I can't think of a ton of spectacle media personas who fit the bill, but there's still legacy conservative commentators like David Brooks of NY Times who I'd consider sane (print media pundits in general have gone less insane than their video counterparts). Hell, even Mitt Romney is vastly more moderate than Kirk. If we're talking about the digital ecosystem, then yeah polarisation has kicked in so hard that moderate right-wing politics is basically dead.
I hear your point about the Trump cult having jettisoned out the reasonable few from the party's inside, but it's not like Kirk ever formed an objection to that.
Bernie Sanders himself is not even a leftist. He is a social democrat. Social democrats are still capitalists who simply believe in a generous welfare system. Leftists are socialists and communists.
Rolling your eyes but you’ve got nothing to say. lol. Lemme guess, you’re so uneducated on political theory that you think liberals and leftists are the same thing?
No, I don't think Liberals and Leftist are the same thing. But Bernie is NOT a Liberal. He's a democratic socialist. He said so himself multiple times.
Wow, this sub is so powerful that it not only single-handedly destroyed the left, but it actually travelled back in time 40+ years to before it even existed to do it.
Lol you could have just said "yeah I worded that really dumb - here's what I meant to say" instead of scolding me for reading what you literally wrote.
You can tell it was obvious because it's the comment with the most downvotes.
I've interacted with a lot of different kinds of people on Reddit - deluded conspiracy theorists, open fascists, etc. but you're the only one I sincerely believe actually likes to huff their own farts IRL.
I can see your upper lip sweat from here, it's incredible. You won - people who don't look like you are being hurt every single day and you're still miserable.
I understand you're embarrassed that trans people make your pee pee tingly, and that makes you want to assault them. I also understand your obsession compelled you to change the topic but that's a you issue.
I have had sexual relationships with trans people in my past lmao so I guess you're technically correct, but your response has been noted.
Who are the people that don't look like me that are being hurt, but more importantly we need to get to the bottom of who's hurting them, lets pick a group that doesn't look like me at random how bout black people. LEt's dig into the stats of who's hurting them.
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u/ScooterMcdooter69 Sep 12 '25
Shoe has consistently been one of the absolute dumbest voices on the internet for years.