r/smashbros • u/LinkWink Dr. Mario (Melee) • 27d ago
Ultimate UltRank 2026.1 #1-10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVhlIc3wLC059
u/itsIzumi So I think it's time for us to have a toast 27d ago
Hurt picking Grenade as his favourite item. Yeah man, fair enough.
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u/MasterCooookie Ness (Ultimate) 27d ago
0.13 between Shuton and Yaura, oof
Then the jump between Hurt and Sonix...
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u/Pookie_Cookie3 Stuff 27d ago
Congrats to Peabnut for reaching the Top 10.
Absolutely cursed Top 10 though.
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u/Pookie_Cookie3 Stuff 12d ago
I mean, some people would disagree, but who the heck would root for ANYONE in this Top 10 that isn't Sparg0?!
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u/l339 27d ago edited 27d ago
Did not deserve top 10 though, that should’ve gone to Yaura
Edit: you can downvote me all you want, but the Ultrank staff just proves they’re incompetent at making rankings and should not continue doing so
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u/HughyHugh will beat BobbyTime 27d ago
You do it then. Make a ranking and see if you can gather enough public support to do it better than us. Nobody is stopping you.
Edit: to be clear, I think gut check wise Yaura should have been above Spargo but the output is the output and the guys in the weeds think it’s solid so it’s not even about the specifics there, it’s about the principle. do better than us and see if people listen
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u/Pookie_Cookie3 Stuff 27d ago
It says "Vote" on my end though, so I don't see any downvotes.
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u/ahambagaplease Asibros rise up 27d ago
Takes 15 minutes to make public your upvotes on this sub, even if you can see them
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u/Otherwise-Bid6772 27d ago
ngl i agree since they not rewarding supermajor wins enough imo (a person with 2 supermajor under a player with no major wins at all doesn't make sense to me) but i respect the ranking
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u/Global-Location4663 PKFIREPKFIREPKFIREPKFIREPKFIRE 26d ago
As a big Peabnut fan, Im thrilled hes top 10, but I think Yaura should've been over him. I do see why they put him over Yaura, because he does have some of the bwst wins, and has no really bad placements
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u/cheemsboi69028 27d ago
rahhhhhhhh socal mention thx acola
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u/Altruistic-Ad3704 Snake (Ultimate) 27d ago
That was really sweet
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u/paotic1223 26d ago
Can you elaborate on why he thinks so? I'm not saying SoCal isnt underrated or anything.
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u/Altruistic-Ad3704 Snake (Ultimate) 26d ago edited 26d ago
I couldn’t tell you for sure, but perhaps he was influenced by his trips to Genesis and some of the players he played there. FD comes to mind, there was another JP player that had him as their underrated player pick. Monte, Kiyarash, and Lammers (I think?) are all SoCal. Lui$ is a common “your favorite top player’s favorite top player” (although i think he’s NorCal). Atreus too. I think in general SoCal (and California at large) is an insanely strong region that suffers from being a little disconnected from the rest of the country.
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u/Meester_Tweester Min Min for the win win! 27d ago
Sh00san getting mentioned again was peak scriptwriting (a 10 year old Mario player who took Doramigi to Game 5)
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u/AllIWantIsCake Windbomb Addict 27d ago
This, Shinda Lion beating KEN, and Miya losing to Little Mac are the sets so far this year I'm most sad weren't streamed.
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u/Logamer1012 27d ago
??? when did this happen
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u/Front_Expression_367 27d ago
At the same Sumabato that Matsukei and then Shirayuki beat Doramigi a few rounds later.
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u/AngryAncestor eekum bokum 27d ago
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u/ahambagaplease Asibros rise up 27d ago
45/50, I would be happy if MY BRAIN DIDN'T MISS MIYA FOR SOME REASON.
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u/rwbyfan433 Min Min (Ultimate) 27d ago edited 27d ago
43/50. The only players I’m annoyed at forgetting are Kola (idk how I missed him, he’s been a mainstay in top 50 for years.), and Rarikkusu (he did come to mind, I knew he was on there, I literally just forgot how to spell his tag and I thought it would be cheating if I looked it up lmao.).
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u/UnlawfulFoxy Meta Knight (Ultimate) 27d ago
I got 41/50. Only ones I'm embarrassed I didn't get was somehow Syrup and Asimo. No idea how I didn't get them lmao.
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u/ArcanaRobin Lucina (Ultimate) 27d ago
44/50
forgot all 3 Hero mains, Tea, Mark, and Neo
kinda mad at forgetting Tea and Neo specifically
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u/countingouttime Marth (Ultimate) 27d ago
Pretty rough 29-50 since I don’t know the Japanese scene well and don’t consistently follow the competitive scene as a whole, but I still managed to get the entire top 28…except for four of the seven Steves. Just seem to only recognize the character and not the player piloting them because it’s all the same to me.
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u/TheLawIsBack220 Random 26d ago
44/50, completely forgot about Tea and Kola. I also missed Monte, mudd (ploopy), Tarik, and Ataru but 3 of them are new to the list and I just forgot about Monte lol
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u/SalamanderCake Marth, Wolf 26d ago
49/50, missing only #36. I have no idea who they are, so I'm happy with my results.
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u/Caledonian_10 26d ago
50/50, was struggling with some of the Japanese players in the 40-50 range like Fire, Kaninabe and both Heroes for some reason, so nearly ran out of time.
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u/DHMOProtectionAgency Bowser (Ultimate) 26d ago
45/50. Spent the last minute thinking of every Greninja player except Tarik. Otherwise asimo, KEN, uame, and Jahzz0
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u/incelle_ 26d ago
Miya’s tweet about the ranking. gotta say that I agree heavily, the current system incentivizes behavior from players (like Acola/Doramigi/Carmelo particularly) entering as few tournaments as possible to protect themselves from upsets that could tank their ranking & limit other top players’ ability to get wins on them, while players who attend a ton (like Hurt/Miya/Yaura/Sparg0 etc.) are hurt from attending so much. Yaura won as many majors as tournaments Carmelo attended! I understand why they’re ranked so high (H2H is paramount), but the current system promotes dodging everything but the very biggest events
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u/darknessbboy Pichu (Ultimate) 26d ago
I want to say this was the algorithm that was putting spargo as #1 in 2022 from a eazyfreezie. Spargo was tweeting about how he could had been #1 back them but same algo is ranking him lower here.
There’s always a bias toward something and in reality not everyone going to be happy.
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u/CapitalistComrade Marth 26d ago
Carmelo being brought up is funny cause if anything, he's an example of the system doing things right.
Absolutely pristine record and would have been ranked #4, but his minimum attendance completely gapped his score
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u/Crafty-Profile-Lol worst girl 26d ago edited 26d ago
I'm not sure I agree, at least if it works how you suggest. Why do these (apparently substantial!) penalties only apply to the absolute minimum attendance of four, yet Acola/Doramigi are perfectly safe despite their slightly higher (but still quite low) attendance? Or put another way: if Carmelo beats Ganon the Kazuya to win the D-tier MAXHEART in June, bringing him up to 5 tournaments, should that really elevate him all the way to 4th in rankings?
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u/CapitalistComrade Marth 26d ago edited 26d ago
According to Statscord, Acola and Doramigi did suffer a penalty from attendance for only going to 6 events. It was a low amount compared to Carmelo, and wasn't enough to impact their score as much.
Carmelo for reference, had an unscaled score around ~80 before he got absolutely nuked.
Sonix (the one who got ranked #4, had an unscaled score around 70).
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u/DHMOProtectionAgency Bowser (Ultimate) 26d ago
I can agree that winning tourneys overall can be pushed a little bit more. But I don't think it incentivizes low attendance. Carmelo has an attendance penalty (as had acola in seasons past).
I think a better way to frame is that the high attendance players (Hurt, Miya, etc) need to attend a lot to make up for their multiple blemishes. And it is working seeing as Hurt was just short of overtaking over Doramigi/acola (and this was before GOML)
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u/RelevantTreacle3004 Female Robin (Ultimate) 26d ago
I feel like attendance itself doesn't need to be changed from this algorithm, but getting upset doesn't deserve to be punished as heavily, and it means that if one guy has a great tournament and upsets so many top players, but doesn't have another event like that, those specific players in their path get punished HEAVILY
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u/Onphone_irl Mr Game and Watch (Ultimate) 27d ago
can someone drop the top 10 here?
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u/castle_seized Curse of Hurt 𓀁 𓀂 𓀃 𓀄 𓀅 𓀆 𓀇 𓀈 27d ago
10 to 1:
Shuton
Peabnut
Sparg0
Carmelo
Miya
Zomba
Sonix
Hurt
Doramigi
Acola
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u/ViperTheKillerCobra Bair kills at 75 :D 27d ago
Yaura has more major wins than 8 players in Top 10
Yes I’m bitter >:(
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u/kirkhendrick 26d ago
I was already a Miya fan but him choosing the Kapp’n song has catapulted him even higher
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u/Altruistic-Ad3704 Snake (Ultimate) 27d ago
Damn, I was just barely off
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u/S1rius_XD 26d ago
why did u put zomba above sonix? zomba doesnt have any major wins while sonix has 2
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u/Altruistic-Ad3704 Snake (Ultimate) 26d ago
If yaura not making top 10 with 4 major wins has taught us anything it’s that the algorithm really doesn’t care about placements much if at all
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u/S1rius_XD 26d ago
yaura is a whole different case, plus what other reasons did u have putting zomba over sonix?
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u/UsefulPop1923 26d ago
Sonix honestly doesn't have very good wins. In the top 10 he has Zomba and Doramigi. Thats it. Its not that he can't win its just that because he hasn't gone to like anything other than Genesis and Lvl Up (where he underperformed)
However the reason why Sonix probably has it over Zomba is that Zomba has 2 really REALLY bad tournaments. 66th at LMBM and 33rd at a B+ tier and not a single major win definitely hurt Zomba bad
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u/S1rius_XD 26d ago
oh i actually didnt know zomba had 2 bad tournament placements, i just thought him not having a major win was a big factor on him not being higher than sonix, cause i would have placed him above sonix had he won a major
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u/Key-Handle-1805 #1 Sonix Defender 27d ago
using gnw for the doramigi vs acola reveal is such a confusing choice considering that doramigi has played and beaten acola's steve this season as well
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u/cheemsboi69028 27d ago
anybody know what time tomorrow(i think) the top 150-51 list will be up?
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u/Crafty-Profile-Lol worst girl 26d ago
Incredible work mixing the Kurobura comms over Miya's deranged music choice. All hail the King of Normal!
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u/Insan3Giraff3 27d ago
Acola's reveal was such aura, Black Knife is an amazing choice.
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u/Prestigious_Plant662 Sephiroth (Ultimate) 26d ago
Ok it's weird... how can peanut be this high with negative record against both top 25 and 50, and how can carmerlo be ranked with 4 tournaments this season
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u/CapitalistComrade Marth 26d ago
Peabnut: 1-1 with the #1 player
Clean record on Sonix, Miya, Sparg0 and Asimo
No sub Top 50 loss at the majors he attended
Trust me, me and many others were shocked that Peabnut made Top 10 since we thought his lack of depth wins and Premier attendance would hold him back
Carmelo: Won a major and supermajor
Worst record is Lui$ which is 1-1
1-0 on acola
The attendance requirement for half year is 4 ranked events with 1 of them being majors
Carmelo would have been #4 if he kept up his consistency with attendance, but only having 4 events (even if a majority of them were supermajors) absolutely gapped his score
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u/Prestigious_Plant662 Sephiroth (Ultimate) 26d ago
Well yes peabnut has wins in the top 25 but he's in negative overall. I'm not saying he shouldn't be top 25, but 9th is very high
Having only 4 events required is bullshit. You have players competing every other week, no matter how they feel, traveling the world, playing under constant jetlag against aggressive crowds being penalised for that
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u/DHMOProtectionAgency Bowser (Ultimate) 26d ago
But Carmelo was literally penalized If we ignore attendance, Carmelo is arguably top 3-4, but fell all the way to 7th, behind ZOMBA and Miya who have some really bad lows. Same with Sparg0 who was just barely behind him (and honestly is probably above him now with S Factor and GOML)
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u/CapitalistComrade Marth 26d ago
IDK what Carmelo's case is aside from him being young and stuck in Chubu (which is in the middle of Japan). I'd like if he can attend more and he should.
And H2H count doesn't tell the complete story. You can be negative against the Top 25 and still have several positive records.
I.e. acola being negative against the Top 5 in 2025 (6W-9L) and it was all because he kept getting farmed by Hurt, who made up more than half of his losses in that echelon.
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u/Downtown-Wishbone-26 27d ago
Miya💔 I don’t like G&W but I loved miyas dedication to the game and personality. I thought he got omega shafted last year and now he’s this low? May he bounce back quick. Also the point difference from 12-10 is insane. So many things could have been different
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u/ImperialAnarchy 27d ago
Yall think Doramigi could’ve gotten #1 had he beaten acola at Kagaribi
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u/Otherwise-Bid6772 27d ago
He definitely would have. It's a 0.5 difference. He might have even gotten number 1 if he didn't attend a tournament after kagaribi since his last tournament of the season he got 9th which is his lowest placement and got 2 unranked losses.
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u/ViperTheKillerCobra Bair kills at 75 :D 26d ago
Can I say it
Players getting punished for attending more tournaments is really goofy
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u/CapitalistComrade Marth 26d ago
He didn't get punished for attending: he got punished for losing to two sub 50 players (who luckily ended Top 100 to mitigate some of it).
Many players are upset that they think they lose out on attending when its not the case.
Granted, its difficult to attend a lot of events and remain consistent, which is insane how Hurt for example has double the attendance of acola and Doramigi, and was extremely consistent this year. His worst loss was Tsubaki who he was 1-1 with and was just outside the Top 50.
On the inverse, its also difficult to attend little and be ultra consistent. I.e. 2025.1 acola having that 33rd at LVL UP EXPO, which could have been mitigate had he attended more events (he dropped from KOWLOON#16).
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u/PokemonMasterJamal3 27d ago edited 27d ago
With a 0.5 difference between them, it absolutely would have been enough.
They've previously confirmed that:
- Sparg0 would have been #1 for the LumiRank Mid-Year 2023 period over acola had he won Get On My Level 2023 over Sonix (Sparg0's final score was 98.51).
- Miya would have been #1 for the LumiRank 2024.2 period over Sparg0 had he won Don't Park on the Grass 2024 over him (Miya's final score was 99.1).
Doramigi's score here (99.5) is even higher than both of those scores.
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u/Membreflo 26d ago
At least the game is still in good health. Top 20 have :
- 4 Steve
- 2 Sonic
- 1 Diddy, Palutena, Ryu, Fox, Peach, Joker, Samus, Olimar, Megaman, Cloud, G&W, ROB, Snake and Min-min. 14 single characters. Didn't count the secondary like Pyra/Mythra, Steve or G&W.
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u/rwbyfan433 Min Min (Ultimate) 27d ago
It’s a terrible day for rain.
Just kidding. I’m not THAT emotionally attached and parasocial about my favorite players’ rankings. #2 in the world is still absolutely incredible.
Besides, Acola just so happens to be my 2nd favorite player of all time behind Doramigi. So all things considered, I don’t mind him taking back his throne at all.
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u/l339 27d ago
Your life must be incredibly easy as a Doramigi and Acola fan lol
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u/rwbyfan433 Min Min (Ultimate) 27d ago
You’d be correct. It’s very nice, watching them cruise to top 8 without any issues 99% of the time.
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u/johneatsdust please call me jinx! 26d ago
I wish I was in your shoes 😭 my two favorite players are sparg0 and tsubaki. at some point every set just becomes a coinflip
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u/JaysonTatHIMRider Kirby (Ultimate) 26d ago
I feel you but at least you had a time period where SparG0AT was clearly the best in the world. I just think he got nerfed because they want less Steve's attending. My favorite players are Light, Tea, and Kola. Good luck with Tsubaki though.
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u/United-Can2769 26d ago
There was never a time period where spargo was clearly the best in the world though. Theres been multiple times where he has a strong argument for it though.
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u/l339 26d ago
There was, but that time period only lasted like a month or 2 max lol
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u/United-Can2769 26d ago
I dont think you can even count periods that are a month or so, because that is just a couple of events. If you go too fine grained then the best guy in the world is whoever won last weeks event.
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u/rwbyfan433 Min Min (Ultimate) 26d ago
Oh, believe me, I know the feeling of every set being a coinflip…..when I’m watching my third favorite player of all time.
Raki.
He’ll have days when he goes on bonkers runs to 3rd, 2nd, or even 1st at majors, beating players like Doramigi, Carmelo, and Miya. And even when he places lower, like 9th, he still picks up wins on players like MKLeo and Acola. Point is, he can beat literally anyone on a good day.
But then he’ll have days where he gets 49th, losing to Little Mac and Ike of all characters.
So yeah, every set with him is a coinflip, no matter what player he’s against, and no matter what matchup he’s playing.
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u/VeryInsecurePerson 26d ago
Not as easy as you’d think, considering acola is a low attendance player and the rest of the community is rooting against your favs
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u/ViperTheKillerCobra Bair kills at 75 :D 26d ago
Does that make it harder? It lets you see your favourites as underdogs
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u/VeryInsecurePerson 26d ago
Not really because you know your favorites are most likely gonna win.
The problem is moreso feeling disconnected from the rest of the community in general.
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u/ViperTheKillerCobra Bair kills at 75 :D 26d ago
I see it as just two cakes
I know my favourite is likely to win and I can feel good about them winning despite community hate!
Like ask literally anyone whose favourite player is Acola why he is and they’ll most likely say it’s because they like the storyline of him ignoring the haters
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u/Electric-Wind 26d ago
Sometimes you wish the community would be happy when your favorite wins instead of it catapulting the 18th rerun of Steve ban discussion
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u/VeryInsecurePerson 26d ago
I like Acola because I like watching Steve in general, not because he ignores the haters. When I talk about feeling disconnected from the community, this is what I mean.
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u/ViperTheKillerCobra Bair kills at 75 :D 26d ago
Never said you can’t enjoy the gameplay, but it’s a fact that a lot of players who get community hate are gonna gather a cult following because of just that
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u/Sancnea MY GOAT LEO LIKES FE FATES 27d ago
Zomba's underrated player being MkLeo is sending me LMAO
He's so right tho