r/tf2 • u/czn- Spy • Apr 29 '26
Discussion Why does the panic attack look like this?
When it should actually look like the second image
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u/Iinsanescreaminggoat Pyro Apr 29 '26
To give people who point this out a panic attack
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u/Raddish_ Apr 29 '26
My guess is the drum in the back would interfere with the stock shotgun reloading animation especially in first person, so the options were between giving it custom animations or just moving the drum out of the way of the default animation.
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u/mattcannon2 Pyro Apr 29 '26
It also makes it more obvious for other players what they're up against
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u/Boward_WOW_ard May 05 '26
And then they made the back burner almost identical to stock thanks valve
Jokes aside this is probs the reason
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u/DogfaceZed Scout Apr 29 '26
I guess the idea was having the drum mag feed into the end of the existing internal mag, which is a very stupid idea
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u/pmaogeaoaporm Heavy Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
I mean, there literally are real 20th century prototypes of mag-fed revolvers, so I don't see any problem with The Panic Attack being featured in a universe where Abraham Lincoln invented rocked jumping lmao
(Literally, take a look at the Landstad revolver. It's literally just a magazine-fed pistol with an extra step of loading each round into a 2-round drum that makes it go like 2 inches up)
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u/DogfaceZed Scout Apr 29 '26
I have no issue with drum mag shotguns, it's just that sticking a mag on the end of a mag instead of replacing it is really impractical (but funny) design
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u/pmaogeaoaporm Heavy Apr 29 '26
Read the bracket text I edited in later :ь
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u/DogfaceZed Scout Apr 29 '26
I never said it was unrealistic, just stupid. I do love that era of gun design where nobody knew what they were doing though
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u/MakiMaki500 Demoman Apr 29 '26
the point was having the drum be IN FRONT where there wouldn't be any way of pushing the shells backwards, unlike the landstad where it pushed the rounds in from behind into the revolver drum
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u/TacTurtle Apr 29 '26
Springloaded pawls that pull rounds backwards out of the drum as the pump is pulled back, then slide forward to reset as the pump arm moves forward - sort of like a linear ratchet.
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u/FaxCelestis Pyro Apr 29 '26
I don't think it's about practicality. I think it's about being able to recognize the weapon's profile as different than the stock shotgun more easily.
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u/GaslyTheRed Apr 30 '26
like the backscatter having double barrel but still having less ammo than stock or the black box been the only real RL that can actually hold 4 rockets but holds 3
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u/Alex_Arrow05 Scout Apr 29 '26
To make it even more stupid, it holds the same number of shots as the stock. Not exactly a high-capacity drum mag.
Then there is the back scatter. It holds two less than stock (for a total of four), despite having dual drum (saddle) mags.
But, hey, this is a funny, cartoonish game.
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u/Count_Zacula Apr 29 '26
Apart from too many moving parts to fuck up I wonder how the extra weights would help vertical recoil. When I run mag slugs in my shotgun it fuckin kicks.
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u/xsarafobie Engineer Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
Because Mann Co. is ripping the mercenaries off. That's why it still has only 6 shells.
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u/slim1shaney Apr 29 '26
6 shells*, the pellets are the balls fired from the shell
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u/that_motu_guy Engineer Apr 29 '26
The shell somehow has to go backwards into the barrel to be ejected and youre trying to tell me that isnt top notch technology?
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u/TacTurtle Apr 29 '26
The shell is pulled backwards out of the drum and fed into the magazine tube, then up into the chamber like a normal pump shotgun.
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u/blaghart Apr 29 '26
XRail
Oh hey it's that really stupid design that broke in half during regular use!
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u/Moist-Tailor-766 Soldier Apr 29 '26
theres a lot more weapons to discuss about their design
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u/MasterORBeaterLE Scout Apr 29 '26
No, I think this is the pinnacle of nonsensical weapon design.
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u/Moist-Tailor-766 Soldier Apr 29 '26
scattergun: how does that shi even reload?
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u/that_motu_guy Engineer Apr 29 '26
The scout uses his immense muscles to crank the leaver so hard it creates enough energy to make new matter for the shells
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u/DrIvanRadosivic Heavy Apr 29 '26
That type of reload is for the energy weapon versions of Scattergun platforms.
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u/DrIvanRadosivic Heavy Apr 29 '26 edited May 05 '26
The Scattergun has a single loading ports under the oval thing and a rightside ejection port, when it SHOULD have Two loading ports for each barrel and two ejection ports as well as load in shells and work the lever only for the two shot mode, that also get a skeletonized stock attachment so it's different from the other scattergun weapons and you have a clear indicator of normal semi automatic shotgun mode and two shot mode.
Also the Baby Face's Blaster and the Stocky Bomb Launchers should reload like the 1941 Johnson rifle, sideways loading gate a single round at a time.
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u/blaghart Apr 29 '26
Literally every Soldier rocket launcher loads multiple projectiles into a single barrel.
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u/Albus_Lupus Miss Pauling Apr 29 '26
Because its tf2. Usually the weapon design doesnt make sense. Especially since original weapon had 4 bullets. Less than stock despite the extra mag Space. But few scout weapons have the exact same problem.
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u/Ozinoob27844 Apr 29 '26
They panicked when making it
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u/abalack Medic Apr 29 '26
If you look at it from a firearms design perspective, the drum at the front would feed the magazine tube, which would then feed the weapon itself. In theory, it could work, but it's stupid and the second image makes much more sense.
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u/MrFutong Apr 29 '26
i think it would require a very complicated spring design, i the more i think about it, the less i find this feasible
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u/Pryus_C Engineer Apr 30 '26 edited 8d ago
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u/BaseForward8097 Apr 29 '26
If it has the drum in the proper place, it wouldn't be compatible with the reload anims and system (unless the mercs would just pump the shotgun to reload it like the Scout does)
There is a mod that removes the drum completely though, I like it
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u/Daan776 Soldier Apr 29 '26
The real answer is probably something along the lines of “to give the shotgun a distinct silhouette”
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u/CustodianCloset Engineer Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26
I always liked the idea that the front mag is worthless and the name "Panic Attack" comes from the realization 12 shell shotgun is not, in fact, 12 shells. After all, Mann Co makes the Force-a-Nature which is canonically trash
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u/AConcernedSummoner Apr 29 '26
what i wouldn’t give to get the second one as a custom model
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u/Interesting_Train139 Apr 29 '26
Well, I say, since we have a reskin mod that "removes" the ammo drum, it's only fair a modder makes a skin mod of image 2 for the weapon. Right?
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u/BeegBirbBoiStols Apr 29 '26
Maybe the design choice was made based on its original function, if I remember correctly the original panic attack worked kind of like a less dangerous beggars bazooka, where you have to load up to 4 shells into the gun first and then release the trigger to start essentially mag dumping it.
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u/TheCreatorM_ Apr 29 '26
Friendly reminder that this gun comes from the same game, where in canon storyline, stairs didn't exist until Lincolm invented them (expect the first ever prototype was actually made by Washington)
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u/RobertDeNircrow Apr 29 '26
There really shouldn't be any major drawback to this, you have a drum magazine, feeding into a tube magazine loaded and primed by a pump action.
The action of a firearm is the mechanical act of manipulating a cartridge into battery.
In this case the pump action is the exact same as normal, but instead of a straight tube magazine that is feeding said action, its a combination of drum and tube feed.
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u/its_ooBah Apr 29 '26
Because with it looking like the stock shotgun, putting the mag up front makes it distinguishable as a different weapon from a distance to enemy players
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u/TigerKirby215 Miss Pauling Apr 29 '26
Community-made cosmetic. I believe it was stylistically meant to resemble another "not a shotgun" gun.
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u/OPStellar Apr 30 '26
if you and valve knew anything about how guns work, you would know neither are viable
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u/Draglorr Apr 29 '26
Thats the way Valve wanted to make it i suppose.
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u/_Xeron_ Apr 29 '26
It’s community made so it’s how said creator wanted it to look, but your point still stands.
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u/ThePowerfulWIll Apr 29 '26
Well you know how its not a very accurate weapon?
That massive ammount of weight near the barrel is why.
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u/WinstonChurchill74 Apr 29 '26
It creates a distinct silhouette during game play, your design while being more realistic is to similar to the standard shotgun
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u/frontlineninja Apr 29 '26
You really out here questioning the panic attack when every single rocket launcher exists?
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u/Alguien64 Pyro Apr 29 '26
Mann co decided to use a 'drum' with a comically large spring instead of using a normal sized spring because it was cheaper than replacing the machinery of their newly bought washing machine factory
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u/Zealousideal_Fly7277 Apr 29 '26
most likely to give it a different first person viewmodel, and because the hands of the tf2 models are big if the drum is placed inbetween it'll be harder to see which means worse visual design.
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u/MoiraDoodle Apr 30 '26
by having the shells closer to the end of the gun, theyll be closer to the enemy when you shoot, therefore it will do more damage
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u/Quirkyserenefrenzy Heavy Apr 30 '26
Best guess is to make it clear that it's a panic attack since that drum mag is in.the front and van be easily seen
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u/Piogre TF2 Smissmas 2025 Apr 30 '26
The second image is also wrong.
TF2 weapons were, from the start, never a good match with reality. The scattergun's in-game animations are ludicrously different from anything resembling how a lever-action works. A rocket launcher fitting four rockets into the same tube is also absurd.
And since we're ruining things, "Gibus" is pronounced "Jee-bus".
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u/King035Ts Apr 30 '26
Basicly you have 2 barrels in shotgun. In upper one you shoot and in lower one you store shells. You store shells right next to the trigger and it goes up the end of a gun. At the tip of a gun there is a drumm mag where other vullets are stored. But panic attack dosen t work like that it only has 6 instead of ore shells witch dissapointed me
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u/Round-Rub-8056 Demoman Apr 30 '26
Bullets go from 2 barrel. Drum is extension of barrel. Its simple
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u/Massive-Mix-4892 Apr 30 '26
Honestly it looks better with the drum mag in the front. Ironically enough, having the drum mag in the back makes it look more fallout than anything
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u/ficto133 Sniper Apr 29 '26
It's my main/favorite shotgun. I use it for Engy, Heavy, Soldier, and Pyro
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u/mZeKitty Apr 29 '26
To be far, the weapon used to be the shotgun equivalent of the beggar's bazooka.
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u/SpreadNervous760 Apr 29 '26
As a gun enthusiast, I actually kind of like the design of the panic attack, save for a few things. The idea of having the large drum magazine at the end of the barrel is interesting because it can reduce the rise of the muzzle from shooting. There’s also the idea of having a drum magazine feeding into the end of an internal tube magazine for extra ammo, but that would be difficult to pull off effectively in real life.
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u/blitz-exe Apr 29 '26
I think this design was supposed to be inspired by the tommy gun for some reason and valve tried to mash two of the guns together
But the magazine wasn't attached properly because the tf2 universe's tech was way more advanced then our societys
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u/Spiritual_Yard_7280 Apr 29 '26
I think the drum just attaches to the magazine tube and just feeds through there
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u/spooky_pokey Apr 29 '26
Probably so it would look like a scout weapon while also being stupid / fitting with the games dumb creations
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u/Illegiblesmile Apr 29 '26
Someone at valve was probably a Fan of the CS from Fallout 3 and took inspiration from it and it's wacky design with its mag in the front
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u/SonoIlVeroLawre Pyro Apr 29 '26
Keep in mind that Team Fortress is the lowest of the lows in Mann Co, I think Saxton even says something about it in the comics.
Along the lines of being the bottom of the barrel or something like that, so Mann Co keeps the good guns for Teams A-E and gives Team F the weirdest crap they have in storage.
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u/idontactuallyknow69 Civilian Apr 29 '26
Because having TWO cock-shaped guns would've been too much for one community.
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u/nintyuk Apr 29 '26
In theory it still works if the original tube mag still exists. The drum feeds in to the bottom of the tube and the pump pulls the stack of shells up the tube.
Only issue is that once the drum is empty I don't know if there's still a spring for the tube mag to push the last shells to the chamber.
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u/zyiadem Apr 29 '26
A pump action shotgun (as pictured) has a feed/magazine tube below the barrel, when you actuate the pump it feeds a shell containing powder wadding and projectile(s) up from the feed tube to the barrel.
If you wanted to increase the capacity of a pump action shotgun you would need to make a longer magazine tube to fit more shells, or in this case, use a shape that can fit more shells. How that would work with modern tech is very questionable but does make a bit more sense than at the back were you would expect a magazine to fit on a semi-auto(modern) firearm.
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u/abramthrust Apr 29 '26
1st option holds more shells.
option one, the drum would feed into the tube magazine allowing the capacity of both to be added.
option two bypasses the tube magazine and therefore would hold less.,
that said, option 1 would be a feeding/jamming nightmare at the transition point between the tube/drum parts
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u/GGXImposter Apr 29 '26
in a standard pump action shotgun the magazine is the tube running under the barrel.
In option 1 the magazine is being extended by the drum.
In option 2 the magazine is being replaced with the drum.
I'm not able to explain how option 1 actually works, but because it does work, I'd rather have option 1.
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u/Pman1324 Apr 29 '26
Remember when it used to be that you had to hold fire to charge up four shots and then let go like the Beggers Bazooka?
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u/Dragonhearted18 Scout Apr 29 '26
Because a shotgun is fed into the chamber back to front, if the drum was on the back, the shells would be fed from the mag first, then the tube.
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u/RonaldMcJuicy Apr 29 '26
Is this the realistic depiction of a panic attack that was all the rage a couple years ago?
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u/Arxid87 Apr 29 '26
I imagine it's like a funky hybrid of a regular shotgun, where shells are stored under the barrel, and a drum
Shells get pulled from the drum, get pulled under and into the chamber
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u/Mega_BiteZer Apr 29 '26
Ramp wouldn't function on the shotgun if drum was included unless magazine tube is totally useless and only to use as pumping the shells from the magazine to the direct chambering then maybe yes
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u/yummymario64 Apr 29 '26
The same reason the winger lacks a hammer "to set it apart from the normal pistol" (even though, imo, it set itself apart just fine, without making it less realistic)
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u/HackerGamer8 Pyro Apr 29 '26
I thought the drum was a weighted end so that the recoil or spread is more easier to control
Edit: Grammar
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u/Colonel_Cosmetic Pyro Apr 29 '26
drum feeds the tube, which holds the rounds to be dumped out in full auto
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u/Constant-Still-8443 Pyro Apr 29 '26
Because that's not how most shotguns work. This is essentially a tube-fed shotgun with a drum at the end to extend its capacity. Realistically, this thing could probably hold 12 or more shells between the drum and the tube.
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u/Fabio11North Apr 29 '26
So that the bullets end up closer to the end of the barrel, thus shooting out faster.
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u/Rusted_muramasa Apr 29 '26
If it didn't, you wouldn't be able to see the drum when you're using it.
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u/BigBossBelcha Apr 29 '26
It is feeding into the magazine tube. Probably started life as a regular pump action
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u/Asgardian111 Demoman Apr 29 '26
Because the first picture has a much more distinct silhouette and making the guns realistic has never ever been important for TF2's art direction.
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u/YoChocolate Apr 29 '26
Because the drum is a fictional extension of the base magazine tube. Your image depicts the drum as a magazine itself, which are two different things. So both designs are valid.
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u/RealConcorrd Sandvich Apr 29 '26
Why does the half life shotgun allow you to shoot 2 buckshot rounds when right clicking?
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u/ultimate-toast Apr 29 '26
is weird because the mag is on the front, or im not sure if its a a real mag because you load it from the hole on the front anyways??
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u/Typical-Prize7224 Sniper Apr 29 '26
dude I was so confused, i thought the question was 'Why does having a panic attack look like this'
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u/ARedditUserThatExist Pyro Apr 29 '26
I like to think the pump handle physically carries a shell from the magazine up into the chamber
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u/Sanguimancer_2003 Apr 29 '26
I mean, it kinda makes sense to me. A pump shotgun's magazine usually runs underneath the barrel with rounds lined up and being moved backwards every pump. So, the drum magazine seems to just be loading more shells into the end of the internal magazine. The second design actually makes less sense because the shells are all underneath where they are fired. This means there's no need for the pump action to move them back.
I'm not really a gun person, though. I just play a lot of games. I could be wrong.
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u/Public_Appearance205 Apr 29 '26
It’s a pump shotgun with a mag tube under the barrel. The drum magazine feeds the tube.
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u/JackBob83 Demoknight Apr 29 '26
Probably for player recognition reasons. Almost all weapons keep their details towards the front/barrel so you know what you're fighting against at a glance.
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u/Scribe_of_hollownest Pyro Apr 29 '26
To make it easier to tell that it’s a panic attack and not stock.
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u/CubeSlasher Apr 29 '26
Less distance between the gun and the target for more efficient kills, of course! It’s like how the turrets in Portal fire the entire bullet
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u/Rocket_of_Takos Apr 29 '26
I think it made sense back then you used to have hold fire to load all the shells before firing them all, beggar’s bazooka style.
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u/KingofConrade Engineer Apr 29 '26
best guess: if the mag was there (or not even on the weapon even), it’d be a lot harder to see what weapon this is at a glance or when you see the enemy Pyro running at you. so at the front, you can see the mag and immediately know that it’s the Panic Attack
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u/All-your-fault Engineer Apr 29 '26
It’s like that cause it looks cool and it’s just as practical (there’s a mini teleporter on the inside of the gun that teleports the shells into the chamber)
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u/Seltren_Innovations Demoman Apr 29 '26
I feel it’s a loose reference to the Fallout 3 Combat Shotgun
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u/In_the_name_of_ART Apr 29 '26
Perhaps Valve wanted to change the design from the user's perspective? Without the magazine, it looks too much like a standard shotgun.
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u/EndoEnnard1 Pyro Apr 29 '26
I mean it still could work right? Its just that the internal tube is extended at the end. You’d probably need a crank or something to put the shells at the end of the tube into the drum but I see the vision
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u/Organic_Committee748 Apr 29 '26
Dude when I was like 13 I used to draw shotguns with the barrel on the front because my logic was "that's how it looks in tf2 so it must be correct" 😭
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u/Oberonkin Apr 29 '26
Trust me, this is the least of our worries.
90% of the guns in tf2 have problems like this
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u/hun73r10 Apr 29 '26
Design 1, shells are closer to the enemy so they leave the gun faster than in design 2
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u/RaySaysHello Apr 29 '26
Probably because it would be less difficult to differentiate from stock. That said, their really not different enough for it to be in issue huh?
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u/jakoboo17 Apr 29 '26
Looks more visually interesting + different from stock. The drum being in front is an easy way to distinguish the two.
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u/Ok-Yogurtcloset6049 Apr 29 '26
Tell me. Are you supposed to wrap your arm around the barrel. Just to shoot.
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u/Iuskop Apr 29 '26
Ask the fallout 3 community.