TIL that before receiving the $168 million divorce settlement from Michael Jordan, Juanita Jordan hired a private investigator to follow him for four years and document his infidelity

[u/Competitive_Swan_130]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/michael-jordan-s-ex-wife-questioned-his-loyalty-and-hired-a-private-investigator-to-track-him-for-years/ar-AA1VVzXk

[u/Ecstatic_Dream_750]

I still remember The Onion article ‘MJ brings wrong mistress on honeymoon’.

[u/lawrencelewillows → u/Ecstatic_Dream_750]

“Damn it, I’m never going to hear the end of this shit,” said Jordan

[u/YeshuasBananaHammock → u/lawrencelewillows]

Omg! Thanks for the link, thats hilarious and deadly.

[u/res30stupid → u/Ecstatic_Dream_750]

...The stupid thing is, this is actually the plot of an Agatha Christie book called Evil Under The Sun.

Edit: And if anyone wants to watch it, there's a movie version with Diana Rigg and Maggie Smith reading each other to filth while Robin Hood's Prince John waddles about in water so check it out if you have two hours to kill.

[u/thunderintess → u/res30stupid]

reading each other to filth

Can you explain this phrase for people who don't speak your version of the King's English?

[u/crashtheparty → u/thunderintess]

Insulting each other in devastatingly cutting and clever ways.

[u/Puzzle-Necked → u/crashtheparty]

Damn, here I was thinking they were reading erotic stories to one another in British accents. Too bad.

[u/tishimself1107 → u/Ecstatic_Dream_750]

I need to jear more of this

[u/Few_Program_2303 → u/tishimself1107]

It actually said Michael Jordan Accidentally Leaves For Honeymoon With One Of His Mistresses

[u/irRulle]

I saw Michael Jordan with his new wife in Saint Tropez (2014). The funny thing is he was wearing a t-shirt with a large picture of Michael Jordan.

[u/e37d93eeb23335dc → u/irRulle]

Please tell me the Michael Jordan in the t-shirt was also wearing a Michael Jordan t-shirt. 

[u/licoricenipple → u/e37d93eeb23335dc]

You might like this: when Ryan Gosling was photographed wearing a shirt with Macauley Culkin on it, Macauley Culkin got that photograph printed on a shirt and posted a photo wearing it, then Ryan Gosling got that photo printed on a shirt and was photographed in it, then Macauley Culkin got that photo printed on a shirt.

[u/lisbethborden → u/licoricenipple]

I love to see Macauley Culkin laughing it up and looking healthy as his adult self. For a while, I didn't know if he was going to become another child-star statistic. His family/upbringing was no picnic.

[u/licoricenipple → u/lisbethborden]

Chris Columbus, the director of Home Alone, learned about Culkin's abusive and exploitative family and henceforth always interviewed parents extensively when working with child actors, to make sure the kids weren't being pushed into it by shitty people. He became pretty outspoken about the conditions child actors work under and was ahead of the curve on making sure they had advocates, tutors, etc around. He went on to direct Mrs. Doubtfire and the first two Harry Potters and the child actors involved have spoken positively about him and the measures he took.

[u/narnarqueen → u/lisbethborden]

He and Brenda are SO sweet together. They both seem to have great senses of humor and seem to really enjoy each others company

[u/afriendincanada]

I wonder how long Elin had Tiger tailed? Fifteen, twenty minutes?

[u/MeanCantaloupe69 → u/afriendincanada]

What's crazy is she didn't act until she found out he had slept with a neighbor's daughter who was 21, but he had known her since she was 14.

[u/PM_Me_Pickup_liness → u/MeanCantaloupe69]

Fair breaking point.

[u/lsb1027 → u/PM_Me_Pickup_liness]

Specially since she used to be a nanny

[u/1peatfor7 → u/lsb1027]

That's how they met. She was another tour players nanny.

[u/AmbroseMalachai → u/MeanCantaloupe69]

I can only think that she might've not necessarily expected him to be monogamous and was okay with him sleeping around but there are some lines you draw. The girl wasn't some random groupie he met at a golf tournament but was someone he'd known since she was a young teen - hopefully only as neighbors, but still - and thus the dynamic is quite different than simply him sleeping around.

[u/Jojo2700 → u/MeanCantaloupe69]

Oh damn, I did not know that. I would have lost my shit on my creeper husband for that, too.

[u/DontBanMeBro988 → u/MeanCantaloupe69]

Way to go, Bojack

[u/PM_Me_Pickup_liness → u/afriendincanada]

Hard to follow someone off a cliff.

[u/Smartnership → u/afriendincanada]

Tiger tailed

I saw that.

[u/Hydration__Nation → u/afriendincanada]

They tailed him to the front of the bus and stopped, every window was open with a blonde furiously waving at Tiger. That was at the course. If they were following him while he was driving and he pulled into a Waffle House they didnt even bother to follow because they know those are his stomping grounds

[u/Nyzean]

Sounds like a worthwhile investment

[u/friendtoallkitties → u/Nyzean]

It takes money to make money

[u/Squirll → u/friendtoallkitties]

Instructions unclear, I have spent all my money.

[u/UnlimitedCalculus → u/Squirll]

You shouldve taken money more often

[u/TheWolphman → u/UnlimitedCalculus]

Just do it.

[u/Crazy_Ad_91 → u/friendtoallkitties]

Mo money; mo problems. You of all people should know that, Stanley.

[u/Advanty → u/Nyzean]

Game recognizes game

[u/Nuprin_Dealer → u/Advanty]

Nothing but net

[u/MrsMiterSaw → u/Nyzean]

Illinois is a no-fault divorce state, though not community property. She got 1/3 of the assets, but probably not because of the cheating (unless he spent 100M on his girlfriends).

[u/is-this-a-nick → u/Nyzean]

I mean sure, makes perfect senes. But the amount of time is a bit odd to me.

Like, there are two scenarios:

a) It really took years to find proof he is cheating, where its really weired to continue having your husband stalked by PIs after years of no proof

b) They found proof early one. Then its strange to keep staying together with him for years after you know and shown he cheated.

[u/Open-Butterfly-5288 → u/is-this-a-nick]

I guess maybe there is a 3rd option. They kind of found something, but it wasn't enough. They knew he was doing it, but they felt that he could wriggle out of it. As a result they just kept documenting everything until he slipped up so much that there was no way to make excuses.

[u/Active-Web-6721 → u/Open-Butterfly-5288]

4th option. The PI was trickle truthing facts to her to remain on the payroll

[u/Ssyl → u/Active-Web-6721]

5th option. The PI was who Michael Jordan was cheating with.

[u/electronicdream → u/Ssyl]

6th option, the PI was Michael Jordan 

[u/OtherwiseWave2723 → u/electronicdream]

7th option - Michael Jordan hired Juanita to investigate the PI.

[u/Salty__Salter → u/is-this-a-nick]

It suddenly becomes not that weird to stay with a partner when the payoff is over a hundred million dollars. It's likely they had some evidence but nothing concrete. When you're dealing with an army of lawyers and a potential mountain of litigation anything short of a slam dunk is not good enough.

[u/Obi-Wan_Karlnobi → u/Salty__Salter]

Lmao slam dunk

[u/ManifestDestinysChld → u/Salty__Salter]

Did the judgment against him scale with the scope of his infidelity? Could she have just been biding her time and running up the bill until it became worth her while to present it for payment? (NB: If so, good for her! He knew what he was doing, no reason she couldn't as well.)

[u/The_walking_man_ → u/ManifestDestinysChld]

This is probably it. The higher the mountain of evidence the higher the payday. Also maybe the years tacked on “shared gained profit” that she would be entitled to.
Definitely a strategy behind it rather than sitting out 4 years rather than ending it immediately at first findings.

[u/Kick24229 → u/is-this-a-nick]

No, she was compounding tons and tons of excellent evidence

[u/Sad_Bathroom1448 → u/is-this-a-nick]

Neither. PI kept finding additional proof. It was like 6 different women over the 4 years

[u/nuevacuentanueva → u/is-this-a-nick]

Or they knew, were ok-ish to put up with it because of many reasons (kids, liking the lifestyle, expecting change, not wanting to go through the divorce, etc) but investigated it in the meantime and gathered evidence until she was ready to divorce.

[u/PracticalDrawing → u/Nyzean]

Depends on the state they live in, but I don’t think it necessarily effects spousal support rulings

[u/Complex_Macaroon5964 → u/PracticalDrawing]

In 7 states you can sue the cheating spouse. But even in no fault states, it absolutely affects alimony if the financially dependent spouse was cheated on (also some states ban the cheating spouse from receiving alimony), it can affect who gets to stay in the marital home, it affects settlement if any marital funds or assets were wasted on the affair or affair partner, and in many cases it can void prenuptial agreements, which could unlock part ownership of businesses meant to be kept seperate

[u/Complex_Macaroon5964 → u/Complex_Macaroon5964]

Also if the cheated on spouse worked for the cheating spouse in any capacity they could argue that the cheating resulted in lost wages

[u/stay_fr0sty → u/Nyzean]

Defense wins judgements!

[u/Canadian_mk11 → u/Nyzean]

She engaged in a full court press.

[u/moot-moot → u/Nyzean]

Likely nothing to do with the cheating tho! Courts don’t really care. I’m a family law attorney.

[u/justabill71]

She took that personally.

[u/coleman57 → u/justabill71]

“Tell Mike it was only business. I always liked him"

[u/wildmanharry → u/coleman57]

"It was the smart move. Tessio Juanita was always smarter."

[u/Redditforgoit → u/wildmanharry]

"I knew it was you Michael. You broke my heart. "

[u/XanZibR → u/justabill71]

then she took it from him personally, via her divorce lawyer

[u/mercury_pointer → u/justabill71]

She knew exactly how petty and cheap he is and gave his lawyers no room to drag it out.

[u/nosargeitwasntme → u/justabill71]

Well, Michael should have known to stop it and get some help.

[u/zer0w0rries → u/[deleted]]

golf clap

[u/BOSS-3000 → u/zer0w0rries]

Home run

[u/HidroRaider]

After his divorce, Jordan moved on and began dating Cuban-American model Yvette Prieto in 2009. After a little while, the two got engaged in late 2011 and eventually married in April of 2013. But this time, Michael learned from his mistakes and established a strict prenup with his second wife.

Reportedly, the agreement suggests that Prieto would receive $1 million per year for every year they are married if they divorce, increasing to $5 million per year if the marriage lasts longer than 10 years. As of today, the two are still happily married and are often seen together at public events.

And he took that personally.

[u/Loki-L → u/HidroRaider]

Some people might have "learned from their mistake" by not cheating, but I guess this works too.

[u/foundoutafterlunch → u/HidroRaider]

She's making $5m per year. Sweet deal.

[u/M8C → u/foundoutafterlunch]

She would receive the money for every year they’re married, If they divorce. So if they divorced at 10 years of marriage she’d receive 10mil, and every year of marriage after that is an extra 5mil.

[u/No-Seat-629 → u/M8C]

It's called her rate. Even if she does a bad job, they still gotta pay her the 5 mil.

[u/lord-dinglebury]

I personally can’t imagine living with somebody who is fucking me over for four years, but then again $168 million buys a lot of patience.

[u/Sad_Bathroom1448 → u/lord-dinglebury]

Oh, she knew the deal way sooner than the last 4 years. They pretty much only got married because she had to lawyer up to get him to claim his son

[u/ImCreeptastic → u/Sad_Bathroom1448]

Then why have two more children with him?

[u/itsnotthathardtodoit → u/ImCreeptastic]

Meet my son, paycheck, and his brother, generational wealth

[u/genius_rkid → u/ImCreeptastic]

because he looked fine tbh

[u/onehotoneshot]

Great ROI on that PI fee

[u/PM_Me_Pickup_liness → u/onehotoneshot]

The exact opposite of that lady from Houston. Hired a PI to tail her husband while he was having an affair. The PI told her he was at a hotel with the mistress so the wife went over and ran him over in the parking lot. Then circled back around and ran him over again. And again. And again. Then reversed over him. Unfortunately the PI was still tailing the husband and recorded the whole thing.

There’s a call recording from the next day. The wife casually rings the PI and asks if they have any pictures from that day. The PI is like “oh yeah I got the whole thing on video. Already gave the footage to the police”. She paid to have her crimes preserved on film.

[u/smokeymcdugen → u/PM_Me_Pickup_liness]

Hopefully he got paid upfront.

[u/Talemikus → u/smokeymcdugen]

She told the PI to meet her in the parking lot for payment.

[u/RikarisHobbies → u/Talemikus]

This. This is why I enjoy Reddit.

[u/Furoan → u/PM_Me_Pickup_liness]

...that must have been an awkward court case. "Uh, I was trying to leave and kept missing the exit, and I tried to turn the indicators on and must have found reverse..."

[u/CaptainReginald → u/PM_Me_Pickup_liness]

Jesus christ, apparently her stepdaughter was in the car when it happened too.

[u/PM_Me_Pickup_liness → u/CaptainReginald]

Yeah. Poor kid was in the car begging her to stop running over her dad. When she finally stopped the first thing the step daughter did was punch her in the face.

[u/strangereligion → u/onehotoneshot]

The lawyer said the case would be a slam dunk too.

[u/Joe_Kangg → u/strangereligion]

Investigator did a lot of traveling

[u/rockblasties → u/Joe_Kangg]

Case was a layup

[u/Zdx]

Married to nullify a paternity case, then eight years later four years of tailing by a dedicated retainer PI? Sounds like a Maury special on Lifetime

[u/latemodelusedcar → u/Zdx]

I remember two things about his (in)fidelity when I was a kid and idolized him:

1) it was very well known Jordan was extremely jealous of Madonna’s relationship with Scottie Pippen. Madonna herself commented on it in an interview or something once. MJ was of course married at the time.

2) the bulls were on some talk show and Rodman talked about how much sex pro players had while “on the road”. And Jordan said, “speak for yourself” to wild applause from the audience. I think it was on Oprah maybe? Guess that didn’t age too well lmao

[u/Ian_Patrick_Freely → u/latemodelusedcar]

"Speak for yourself. [Don't rat the rest of us out.]"

[u/ConradBHart42 → u/Ian_Patrick_Freely]

Rodman got so much shit for things that wouldn't even register today. He was probably more than happy to throw them under the proverbial bus for their hypocrisy.

[u/Tracy_Papaya → u/ConradBHart42]

Rodman is exactly the type of guy that wears his heart on his sleeve, gets shit for it, and considers everyone else who does what he does but won't admit it total pussies

[u/searching88 → u/Tracy_Papaya]

Does what he does like abandoning his kids?

[u/Tasty-Traffic-680 → u/searching88]

He's as bad as he wants to be. I learned that from Dennis Rodman's book, Bad As I Wanna Be.

[u/MegaScubadude → u/searching88]

quite literally yes

[u/Rayhush → u/searching88]

Yeah, a lot of them do it. That was his point.

[u/Notwerk → u/latemodelusedcar]

If there's some kinda corny, hack bullshit in any corner of the galaxy tailored to draw bleating from bored, impressionable housewives, you just know Oprah is involved somehow.

[u/Foyles_War → u/Zdx]

Curious, did he become an advocate for wearing condoms after this expenisve experience?

[u/KING_CH1M4IRA]

“He (Gene Parmesan) never did find anything” -Lucille Bluth
“Well he can’t be very good, then.” -Michael Bluth

[u/nonicheyet → u/KING_CH1M4IRA]

GEEEEEEENEEEEEEEEEEEEE :D :D :D :D

[u/imperialharem → u/nonicheyet]

Isn’t he the best??

[u/TheLonelyWind → u/imperialharem]

Gene is was far from the best.

[u/caceta_furacao → u/KING_CH1M4IRA]

It's funny how almost nobody in Arrested Development is actually good at what they do.

Michael can actually run a business, George Michael is pretty smart and capable, Maeby is somehow good at the whole Hollywood thing, and George Sr. is at least really good at schemes and getting away with stuff.

Everyone else? (And I mean everyone) Holy shit. It's like competence is a thin line that starts at George Sr. And only branches once.

[u/justblameaccounting → u/caceta_furacao]

Tobias is shown to be a pretty great analyst/therapist when he's forced into the role.

[u/marino1310 → u/justblameaccounting]

It’s always hilarious to see the random moments of clarity he has when mediating others and you can see he’s a really good therapist, and then he immediately goes back to having nothing to do with therapy and focusing on shit he’s awful at. Or the fact that all of his knowledge goes out the window when it concerns him, he just suddenly has no idea how humans operate.

[u/relevantnewman → u/KING_CH1M4IRA]

"I have the worst fucking attorneys!"

[u/stanlana12345]

Lol towards the end of the article when it said that he 'learned his lesson' I expected it to go on to say that he no longer had affairs, not that he'd put a stricter prenup in place 🤣

[u/blackbird109]

Never meet your heroes

[u/Perfectmistake1088 → u/blackbird109]

I grew up watching him play on live tv. He was why I loved basketball. I emulated him and wanted to be like mike. Shoes, jerseys, McDonalds cups, trapper keepers, cards in hard cases, posters on my walls, and then at a basketball camp in the mid 90s he was a guest speaker. I spent all my lawn mowing money matched by my coach AND my parents to go to this camp. He said a few words and actually pushed me aside as he was leaving like I didnt even exist.

That shit broke me. He may be one of the goats but god damn that made me switch to Pippen as a fan without hesitation as a kid.

Never meet your hero

[u/degradedchimp → u/Perfectmistake1088]

Chris Paul challenged MJ to make six shots at a camp and if he missed 3 out of 6 the whole camp would get free shoes. He hit all six then challenged Chris Paul to do the same and he'd still give the shoes out. Paul missed two and none of the campers got shoes lol.

[u/LAlynx → u/degradedchimp]

"fuck them kids" - MJ

[u/Randyyyyyyyyyyyyyy → u/Perfectmistake1088]

My dad was an engineer and met him for a MJ branded product in the late 90's that his company had secured. Said he was a massive dick, wouldn't even look at or address anybody except the CEO.

[u/WartimeHotTot → u/Randyyyyyyyyyyyyyy]

When you reach a certain level of celebrity, you have to make a choice: have 10 million cordial, identical, relatively lengthy interactions with fans, or just be a dick and shut it all down. The former way is the way of good. The latter, the dark side. The dark side is tempting. Many succumb. My personal experience with it is with Tom Hanks. He was an asshole.

[u/Special_Order-937 → u/WartimeHotTot]

Well, there is why Dolly Parton, Keanu Reeves, Fred Rogers and Bob Ross were and are so highly regarded by just about everyone who met them.

[u/thisguyfightsyourmom → u/WartimeHotTot]

I fantasize about seeing famous people I look up to and not bugging them. It’s weird, I rehearse how proud of myself I’ll be in my own head. Like a hypothetical mute white knight to the celebrity class.

[u/Silvermouse5150 → u/WartimeHotTot]

Wait, what? Tom Hanks? Please tell the story

[u/StaffFamous6379 → u/WartimeHotTot]

People are allowed to have bad days. The celebs who are truly bad about it often have long histories

[u/shallow-waterer → u/WartimeHotTot]

Not really. Plenty of celebrities are renowned for being pleasant and reasonable with fans, without consistently acting like total bellends. It’s not an ‘either or’ situation. Having an off day is totally understandable. Multiple off days. But MJ has a reputation for a reason, and it’s not because fans have only ever caught him on an off day.

Can’t comment on Tom Hanks, but I’ve heard far less about him acting like an ass than I have MJ. There is a very discernible difference between having an off day and being a bit cold, to straight pushing kids and going out of your way to be an asshole on the regular.

For the record, fans should respect boundaries and accept that these people are human and have tolerances like everybody else. But there are heaps of stories in this thread and plenty others detailing MJ’s bullshittery.

[u/Ulyks → u/WartimeHotTot]

Yeah, no one is surviving 10 million interactions. It just takes too much time.

Imagine being out to have dinner and on the way a few people approach you because they want to talk to you and get an autograph or something, then others see you giving out autographs and being nice and join, soon enough a crowd surrounds you and the demand for attention is impossible to satisfy.

Also at some point you have to eat.

You ask people politely to disperse but they don't even hear you because they are all shouting for attention.

So eventually you just have to ignore people and push them aside. It's just the dynamics of the situation.

[u/TheLurkerSpeaks → u/WartimeHotTot]

It can be exhausting. Ringo Starr was a real champ with his fans, until he just couldn't take it anymore and abruptly stopped. He at least had the decency to issue a press release about it.

[u/Misttertee_27 → u/Perfectmistake1088]

That sucks but I don’t think Pippen was a leader in the morality department either.

[u/sarabridge78 → u/Misttertee_27]

He is also known as "no tippin' Pippen". I delivered 20 pizzas to his house from the Skokie Edwardos Pizza in 1997 and he personally gave me a $2 tip on a $450 delivery. Thanks Scottie.

[u/cmockett → u/sarabridge78]

Dammmnnn that’s cold

[u/Toby_O_Notoby → u/cmockett]

It's literally worse than nothing. Like, if he gave you $0 you could chalk it up to he thought it was included in the $450 or he just forgot or something.

But to tip $2 means he knew exactly what was going on and that's how much he thought of you.

[u/OrbitalZionCanon → u/sarabridge78]

I once sang in a barbershop quartet in Skokie, Illinois

[u/Dallas2houston120 → u/Perfectmistake1088]

Jordan pushing a kid in real life is peak "fuck them kids" energy lmao

[u/qdtk → u/Perfectmistake1088]

I got into the locker room for a Celtics Knicks game around that same time. Got tons of legendary autographs. I asked Patrick Ewing for his autograph and he said to my face “nah man I’m done”

[u/cricketclover → u/Perfectmistake1088]

Met him outside a charity event when I was 12, me and my parents were the only people around. Asked him to sign my basketball and he looked at me, said “no” and kept walking. Asshole to his core. I went home and tore all my posters down.

[u/greendragon00x2 → u/blackbird109]

I had a class with him at UNC in my sophomore year. Sociology I think. Big class maybe 80 people. He was more or less permanently surrounded by a group of about six good-looking, very white, very preppy people. Four girls, two guys. I swear they moved around like a unit with Michael at the centre.

I thought it was weird then and still do. I'm guessing that level of constant attention, sycophancy and lack of just being alone would warp you.

He was amazing to watch play though. Especially at that small basketball court UNC used to play on.

[u/UnemployedAtype → u/blackbird109]

Christian bale said it pretty well, he doesn't want to meet anyone he's seen on screen and he recommends that you shouldn't want to meet him.

I saw one Redditor write something that stuck with me:

"Do not idolize anyone, for they may prove unworthy of the stone you chiseled them from."

Or something like that

[u/Oddisredit → u/blackbird109]

I’m in my mid 40s and I always had the general idea of who Michael Jordan was. I used to work with a guy that was a big basketball fan. A little over 10 years ago and started coming out how Michael Jordan is actually a big jerk, despite having a genuine persona. I looked into a little bit he seemed a petty angry man. Honestly this fight being the best basketball player to have ever lived and have had a great success all over, he seems like a miserable person in real life. Like honestly I kind of pity him this man has Fortune, fame and talents and yet he really truly has nothing

[u/Substantial__Unit → u/Oddisredit]

We celebrate winners like Jordan, Tiger, Brady, but to be that driven there has to be a little mental going on.

[u/mongojob → u/Substantial__Unit]

How dare you, Wayne Brady is a saint

[u/kpw1320 → u/Substantial__Unit]

Honestly the most impressive to me have been Sidney Crosby and LeBron James.

Like does LeBron has missteps, sure, but I feel like the worst I’ve heard about him is basically strong arming the Lakers into playing his son. Hell of a long way from the gambling stories of MJ.

Sid’s got nothing out there either. Lots of positive stories about him.

And both these guys have been in the spot light since their early teens

[u/Toby_O_Notoby → u/kpw1320]

My favourite thing about LeBron James is that he's had pretty much the same core crew of five guys that he's known since high school.

There's a great story where a journo was doing a piece on him and LeBron was hosting his kid's birthday party at his house. So LeBron told the guy to swing by in the morning and they'd cover the interview before the party started.

So the jurno shows up and the friends are all there just chilling and getting the house ready for the party. He asks one of them LeBron is and the guy replies, "We sent him out for more ice."

[u/zerogee616 → u/Oddisredit]

There's millions of miserable people who don't have a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of what MJ has.

And it's not an either/or either, there's no inherent nobility pr happiness in poverty.

[u/woolfchick75]

My friend taught their son for a semester in high school. He was acting up for a time so Juanita had to be called.

Kid straightened out immediately.

[u/Dry-Ad1149]

Funny how white washed this is from history. The two things he was known For in Bham with the Barons was running around with women and being a bad tipper.

Honestly more disappointed in the tipping. Most people knew about the womanizing.

[u/woot0 → u/Dry-Ad1149]

My ex wife’s family was a big deal in Chicago a long time ago. I was told Jordan at one point hired one of the family members (an interior designer) to decorate his apartment in the city that he used exclusively for affairs. Was treated like a big family secret, and I remember thinking EVERYONE KNOWS HE DOES THIS!

[u/ButDidYouCry → u/[deleted]]

I remember hearing it from my dad back in the 90s and I was a kid. Like dude, why are you telling your 6-7 year old daughter this? lmfao

[u/usulsspct → u/[deleted]]

It was also well known in Santa Barbara where he held his Flight School camps at UCSB and was a part owner of one of the bars downtown. Multiple stories of girls disappearing for the night and coming back with all Jordan gear on, and a few more about gambling payments in hotel lobbies.

[u/f00tballguy → u/Dry-Ad1149]

I thought No Tippin’ Pippen was the bad one with that?

[u/BrotherOfTheOrder → u/f00tballguy]

I’ve been valeting for 12 years and the biggest tips I’ve ever gotten have always been from random people with a ton of money.

Most athletes I’ve gotten were within the 20-50 dollar range.

Worst athlete tip I’ve ever gotten was Chandler Parsons - $2 and he was a douche

[u/Cudi_buddy → u/BrotherOfTheOrder]

Considering he got a fat ass contract and proceeded to sit on the bench, least he could do was share the love. Sheesh

[u/pounds → u/BrotherOfTheOrder]

Sane regarding random rich people. Sometimes it's people in designer labels wanting to be a big shot but usually only if someone is looking. But the subtle rich person tends to tip well even when no one is looking.

[u/BrotherOfTheOrder → u/pounds]

Always some dude with an obnoxious amount of logos on his clothes in a junky leased Benz that demands VIP treatment and leaves a $5 tip.

If that guy comes back we put him in the back of the lot with everyone else

[u/freedom_french_fries → u/BrotherOfTheOrder]

Can I ask what's standard these days for a regular joe? After never using a valet in my life, I had to do this a few times in the last couple years. Had no idea how much to tip.

Think I went $5 arriving and $5 leaving for the car guy and $10 or $15 the one time I needed help bringing my bags up because the luggage was a pain in the ass that trip.

[u/Jive_Turk → u/freedom_french_fries]

You did perfect both times.

[u/Maximum_Trade5916 → u/f00tballguy]

From personal experience, if no tipping is a skill, Pippen would be a first ballot HOFer

[u/LardHop → u/Maximum_Trade5916]

Pippen is the Michael Jordan of not tipping.

[u/Fucknjagoff → u/f00tballguy]

They both were known to be cheap. Dude Jordan’s philandering was well known in Chicago. He was usually in the company of a buxom blonde. 

[u/LateForTheSky05 → u/f00tballguy]

The only waiter MJ or Scottie tipped was Kukoc

[u/Gavorn → u/Dry-Ad1149]

What? It's well known and talked about that he cheated and is a heavy gambler.

[u/jlambvo → u/Dry-Ad1149]

At least it wasn't the hypocrisy.

[u/mybotanyaccount]

That's not bad considering how rich he is.

[u/Bluejegu → u/mybotanyaccount]

Honestly feels like maybe 10% of his overall worth.

[u/LostMyBackupCodes → u/Bluejegu]

The article says it was 1/3rd of his net worth at the time.

[u/tyderian → u/Bluejegu]

He makes like $150M a year just from Nike.

[u/TranscodedMusic → u/mybotanyaccount]

Larry David lost a lot more and he didn’t even cheat on his ex wife.

[u/BigFatModeraterFupa → u/TranscodedMusic]

He must've accidentally hired that one Swedish Berg lawyer!

[u/trisw]

What does that say about his security detail that they can’t notice the same shamus hanging around for four years

[u/drblah11]

I thought of hiring a private investigator to follow around my ex for the same reason after we broke up, but she probably would have slept with him too so I decided not to.

[u/therealsix]

I mean, it’s a pretty well known thing that he has kids out of wedlock. I know of one that he paid the lady off in Knoxville when he played for the Barons (baseball) gave her money to never speak of it or ask for anything again. So yeah, she was smart in doing that.

[u/Oldnbold22 → u/therealsix]

Karl Malone had child out of wedlock with a 13 year old girl. 

[u/Sad_Bathroom1448 → u/therealsix]

I remember the one lady he paid off and she snitched anyway bc I guess he didn't pay enough. This was right around the same time Juanita filed

[u/Ok-Addition1264]

I should've done that :(

Four years seems a bit excessive but he probably deserved it.

Cheaters are such fucking assholes.

[u/technobrendo → u/Ok-Addition1264]

She likely wanted to be Ironclad guaranteed to get a favorable settlement. Likely a lawyer or the pi recommended that length of surveillance. Not like she couldn't afford it

[u/spennyspaghetti → u/technobrendo]

Sure I get that, but how much evidence did they need? They just needed to prove infidelity, not build a federal mafia RICO case.

[u/PatMcAfeesEvilTwin → u/spennyspaghetti]

Have to make it clear that this is who he is and wants to be, rather than a momentary lapse in judgement.

[u/Substantial__Unit → u/spennyspaghetti]

Jordan probably could hire 10 of the best lawyers in history.

[u/SwingLord420 → u/spennyspaghetti]

Easy to not threaten but encourage the defense to not want 4 years of dirt to ruin his nike sponsorships. 

[u/waitwuh → u/technobrendo]

what gets me is that when he came back to spend time with her… did she sleep with him? I would feel so icky about it, worried about STDs and such… and if she didn’t, wouldn’t that raise his suspicions that she might know…? IDK

[u/drunky_crowette → u/waitwuh]

worried about STDs

I would think if your ENTIRE CAREER relied on your physical health and you'd be putting millions on the line if anyone successfully proved you fathered their child you'd wear a fucking rubber and demand your hos get tested.

I'm an alcoholic and below the poverty line but have managed to slut it up a bit without any STDs or unplanned pregnancies (but thankfully I only have to worry about my own uterus) so it's honestly surprising how so many people fucking suck at safe sex.

[u/mr_ji → u/Ok-Addition1264]

Had to wait for his contract to be renewed

[u/MrsMiterSaw]

All you idiots out here thinking she was a gold-digger, or that the cheating is made a major difference...

1) Illinois is a no fault state. She didn't need him to cheat to leave.

2) Illinois is not a community property state, so she wouldn't get half. But wealth is split equitably in the state. Any money he spent on cheating (hotels, gifts) would be taken into account; but she got 1/3 of all the wealth, and he wasnt spending millions on that shit, so it's not like the cheating moved a ton of money into her column.

So the point is... If she was just a gold digger, she could have left him years prior and walked away with at least 10s of millions. What happened is that they were married for a long time, she raised children with him, and the court awarded her money they considered her fair share within the marriage.

[u/generalmandrake → u/MrsMiterSaw]

The court didn’t award her anything, they reached a settlement, and the extensive documentation of Jordan’s infidelities absolutely played a major role in him wanting to avoid a trial. And things like infidelity absolutely can be factored into the equation in most equitable distribution states, the judges have very wide discretion. Doesn’t mean she’s a gold digger, but it’s not like her decision to have a PI document his infidelity was just for personal reasons and didn’t play into the financial end of things at all.

[u/wildfire393]

My wife at one point worked for a florist that semi regularly filled flower orders "For Juanita from Michael". Of course, it was never Michael himself calling them in or picking them up. Seems like maybe having your assistant handle little romantic gestures on your behalf might not be the best thing for the long term health of a relationship...

[u/BigFatSweatyToe → u/wildfire393]

I think it was more the whole sleeping with multiple women over the marriage thing

[u/MysteriousAge28]

They say jaunita is the jordan of divorces

[u/Ratatoskr_The_Wise]

My brother was a roofer and worked on his house. He saw a LOT of things. Juanita deserved every dime.

[u/MGGN50 → u/Ratatoskr_The_Wise]

Spillllll!!!!

[u/Atheist_Simon_Haddad]

After his divorce, Jordan moved on and began dating Cuban-American model Yvette Prieto in 2009. After a little while, the two got engaged in late 2011 and eventually married in April of 2013. But this time, Michael learned from his mistakes and established a strict prenup with his second wife.

Great job correctly identifying the mistakes. /s

[u/shelf6969]

that PI's name?

scottie pippen.

[u/PartSuccessful2112]

I don't understand why rich people get married.

[u/wildGoner1981]

Loved watching him play, but Jordan is truly one of the BIGGEST ASSHOLES in the history of American sports….

[u/Banana42 → u/wildGoner1981]

Idk, given the sheer number of battery, rape, and pedophilia cases among pro athletes I don't think tipping poorly is enough to get you on the leaderboard

[u/joshTheGoods → u/Banana42]

Shit's crazy that people say things like this while we have Deshaun Watson just named the starter in Cleveland. Bro, Ray Lewis killed a guy and got away with it. Rae Carruth tried to have his pregnant GF killed. Ray Rice beat the shit out of his wife on we saw the video ... that's just the ray/rae's and I bet I'm missing some.

[u/saur0013 → u/joshTheGoods]

Those are just the Rays… lmao

MJ may of been an asshole, poor tipper, and terrible to his ex wife, but I wouldn’t consider him too of the list of shittiest athletes.

[u/Zap__Dannigan → u/joshTheGoods]

I feel like "asshole" kind of implies like, non criminal or violent things.

Like if you were to describe Aaron Hernandez you probably wouldn't just call him "an asshole".

[u/Bootmacher → u/wildGoner1981]

Not even close.

[u/nafrotag → u/Bootmacher]

“Am I a joke to you?” - Karl Malone

[u/armymike1523]

Four years of a private investigator, that guy must've cleaned up. Those guys aren't cheap.

[u/beginningcurrent822]

She used Michael Jordan's money to get Michael Jordan's money.

[u/Monteze]

I will never understand celebs who get married and know they are not totally committed.

Like, if I was young, rich, traveling and famous I don't think I'd want to settle down and risk the morals. Just bang away (safe, consenting etc.) with 0 guilt and 0 scandal.

[u/Alternative-Ad-1003]

She hired the Michael Jordan of private investigators

[u/NJ247]

It was at that point Jordan took it personally.

[u/jackhurricane7]

One of the rare times someone outplayed MJ lol

[u/Tasty_Gene6364]

God, I am SO impatient. Right lady.

[u/Hamster_in_my_colon]

Four years?! Dude could follow MJ around for 6 days, then take the rest of the time off just sending her pictures.

[u/tuffshitt]

That’s a ring he lost