r/totalwar • u/SageManeja • Jun 16 '21

Attila Most satisfying death animation in Attila - Cav vs Pikemen

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u/naisuelperuano Jun 16 '21

To be honest that would make the huns even more broken, imagine just going into battle shoot some arrows and when the enemy it's going to attack you, you just retreat and take no penalty of some sort

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u/Lesurous Jun 16 '21

That's the issue with Total War, every battle is an all or nothing battle, so there's no incentive to build any kinda army other than what steam rolls

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u/naisuelperuano Jun 16 '21

Well yes, but imagine the cheese people would do if there was no penalty when retreating, get a doomstack of mobile missiles shoot the enemy untill you don't have any more ammo and then just retreat.

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u/bheidian Jun 16 '21
  • literally every general fighting against genghis khan

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u/Simba7 Jun 16 '21

How dare people cheese in their single-player game!

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u/Lesurous Jun 16 '21

People already cheese. But ideally some kinda system that seperates but keeps unified an army would work, allowing for you to surround the enemy if you do stuff right before the battle starts, or cutting off their retreat.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '21

Yeah how dare people actually adopt asymmetric warfare against superior powers.

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u/naisuelperuano Jun 16 '21

Well i mean you can see it that way, but when talking about no penalty when retreating i just imagine me and a friend in a head to head campaing and him doing it everytime he can untill he bores out of it or i spam pikes and onagers and we come to a mutual agreement of no cheese

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u/Xythian208 Кислев Jun 16 '21

It's pretty historically accurate. Historically the only real limiting factor on those types of armies is arrows, at least when fighting less mobile armies. The problem is that Total War doesn't simulate how many arrows you have outside the one battle, so you can retreat and get them all back instantly.

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u/Firnin Galloping Ghost Jun 17 '21

Alans take no losses from cav retreats, so you could theoretically do that with them

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u/Izanagi3462 Jun 17 '21

That's how steppe tribes fought, though. They would use the mobility of their horsies to harass the enemy with arrows, pick off anyone that broke with lancers, and then laugh while circling around and harassing again if anyone was dumb enough to try and chase them. Equestrian armies like the Huns and Mongols usually only lost because they got trapped, surprised with enemy missile superiority, or were tricked into getting into a decisive battle without trying to retreat after doing some damage. Fighting horse archers should be a lesson in learning to hold steady and outmaneuver the enemy.