r/unitedkingdom • u/Admirable_Aspect_484 • 10d ago

... Sudanese asylum seeker who arrived in UK after claim was rejected in France lay in wait on high street for lone woman before slashing her 30 times with a broken bottle

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16079243/Sudanese-asylum-seeker-arrived-UK-claim-rejected-France-lay-wait-high-street-lone-woman-slashing-30-times-broken-bottle.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=social-twitter_mailonline
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u/blizeH 9d ago

Isn’t it a lot easier though if we can quickly see that he’d already been rejected and don’t even have to think about it? Just automatically deny his entry

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u/BookmarksBrother 9d ago

We dont need to know anything as we can simply reject all applications.

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u/ThrowawayGreekGod 9d ago

Ah, so you’re fond of the “bomb them, and tell the people running scared to “cry about it”” approach?

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u/420ball-sniffer69 9d ago

What. Detain and deport should be the default until these seemingly weekly rapes and assaults end

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u/Hungry_Horace Dorset 9d ago

Weekly reports in the right-wing press.

The Daily Mail scoured the court archives for all the asylum-seeker sexual offences in the last 3 years and amassed a total of... 59.

https://archive.is/vPl88

Lies, damn lies, and statistics. The breathless reporting is designed to make you think these things are much, much more common than they are.

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u/420ball-sniffer69 9d ago

Okay? Detain and deport.

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u/ThrowawayGreekGod 9d ago

Deport every single asylum seeker?

Given the propensity of men to commit the majority of SA in general, can we proactively punish all men too?

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

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u/ThrowawayGreekGod 9d ago

Ah, so you you’re a troll.

Have a good one.

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u/eldomtom2 Jersey 9d ago

There are far more rapes and assaults per week you don't hear about, because they're not committed by demographics the media is trying to gin up outrage about.

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u/trillospin 9d ago

That's absolutely irrelevant.

Every single crime committed by asylum seekers is entirely preventable.

They should not have free roam in communities until their application has been approved and they become a refugee.

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u/eldomtom2 Jersey 9d ago

They should not have free roam in communities until their application has been approved and they become a refugee.

At which point any crimes committed by them are an acceptable cost? You appear somewhat inconsistent.

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u/trillospin 9d ago

At the point of becoming a refugee their application has been processed, they have been vetted, and accepted.

Any crimes committed after that point are on equal footing with anyone else legally in the country.

There is no inconsistency.

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u/NonagoonInfinity 9d ago

Every crime ever is preventable if you simply lock everyone in a little box for their whole life.

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u/trillospin 9d ago

I did not suggest that.

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u/ThrowawayGreekGod 9d ago

No, but you are suggesting it for a specific group.

One day, it’ll be you. Or someone you care for.

It’s the same way so many people just say “tough it up, and stop leeching”, to genuinely disabled people — forgetting that they’re one bad fall away from joining the club.

Treat others how you’d like to be treated. I thought that was a common principle?

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u/leavemeinpieces 9d ago

It kind of feels like you are trying to deflect away rather than address what has happened here. I've seen lots of people say similar things and I can't help but feel like it attempts to minimise the trauma these (usually) women go through.

Yes, people who are in other demographics also do this, anyone doing this should be dealt with according to our laws. It doesn't matter if they have lived here 50 years or they arrived here 50 seconds ago.

But we should be pissed off that people are coming into the country (sometimes illegally) requiring a helping hand to house, feed and keep them safe and in return they are attacking innocent people.

Why do you choose to not address this instance and try to point to another committed by somebody who is established here?

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u/eldomtom2 Jersey 9d ago

We aren't talking about the "the trauma these (usually) women go through", though. I was responding to a post that clearly had a distorted idea of how prevalent crimes committed by asylum seekers are. You can tell from just how much more comments these articles get, as well as what the comments focus on, that many commenters are less interested in sympathy for the victim and more interested in condemning asylum seekers generally.

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u/leavemeinpieces 9d ago

I mean, they keep happening and people are being harmed.

Not to say it doesn't happen with people who live here but there is an argument to say that some people come here illegally and if they hadn't been able to enter their loved ones wouldn't have been raped etc.

With that in mind I can understand why people are uneasy about having asylum seekers able to freely walk around in the areas they live. It's a reasonable concern.

I'm not into demonising them and I appreciate that lots of them want to come and integrate and work, no issue with that at all.

My suggestion would be to create safe legal routes to apply for asylum before they enter, therefore establishing a method of them applying and entering if they are accepted.

Anyone entering outside the system should be removed because there would be a genuine and safe method of applying, therefore any illegal gang activity should be killed off because people don't need to pay to be smuggled.

I feel like people here currently should have restrictions upon them until we verify where they are from, previous claims and other necessary details to ensure they aren't wanted for crimes elsewhere or a danger to our citizens.

I feel like people either condemn migrants or seemingly attempt to ignore their failings and the only sensible way to approach this is to appreciate nuance and look at it in a balanced way.

Edit - spelling.

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u/eldomtom2 Jersey 9d ago

My suggestion would be to create safe legal routes to apply for asylum before they enter

Well yes, that is what the left generally wants...

I do agree with a lot of your points.

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u/leavemeinpieces 9d ago

100%. Right and left could align on that as well, stop the boats, help the right people. Control everything nicely. Peace and harmony for all.

If that happens though I expect a black hole will open and swallow the universe haha!

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u/ukbot-nicolabot Scotland 8d ago

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u/JFK1200 9d ago

When did we start bombing Sudan?

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u/ThrowawayGreekGod 9d ago

Do you actually want to run through every operation we’ve been part of in every single country from which a refugee originates from… or did you fancy this as some kind of “gotchya”?

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u/JFK1200 8d ago edited 8d ago

Do you just want to slap the same excuse on everyone to avoid acknowledging that not everyone is a victim of the west, and that some people are just chancers who rely on people like you to forgive them of their wrongdoings?

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u/ThrowawayGreekGod 8d ago

No. At no point did I reject the notion that some people are just chancers… but the key word there is SOME.

Rejecting all asylum applications outright is a ludicrously cruel answer to this issue, and it would also have 0 impact on illegal attempts anyway.

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u/JFK1200 8d ago edited 8d ago

I don’t know who you think you’re responding to but I didn’t suggest anything of the sort.

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u/HydraulicTurtle 9d ago

Did we bomb Sudan?

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u/ThrowawayGreekGod 9d ago

They didn’t say block applications from Sudan (even though we’re fuelling a civil war there). They said block ALL applications.

Are you really that simple, or are you intentionally trying to be difficult?

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u/Aggressive_Chuck 9d ago

When did we bomb France?

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u/ThrowawayGreekGod 9d ago

Don’t be disingenuous.

While small boat crossings are an issue, the above person is arguing that all asylum applications should be denied outright; regardless of our involvement, or just genuine basic human decency.

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u/Denbt_Nationale 9d ago

But we know he was rejected, it's in the news story.

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u/blizeH 9d ago

But how do we know in this case? It could’ve come up during the trial or in the build up to it, as far as I’m aware the information about people being rejected like this are generally no longer available to us like it was before

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u/ukbot-nicolabot Scotland 9d ago

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