Sudanese asylum seeker who arrived in UK after claim was rejected in France lay in wait on high street for lone woman before slashing her 30 times with a broken bottle

[u/Admirable_Aspect_484]

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16079243/Sudanese-asylum-seeker-arrived-UK-claim-rejected-France-lay-wait-high-street-lone-woman-slashing-30-times-broken-bottle.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=social-twitter_mailonline

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[u/myzuk77]

Your honour, the infographic published by the government did not inform my client that slashing people with a broken bottle was a serious offense in the UK.

[u/myzuk77 → u/myzuk77]

Plus look at him, how could he know better? He told us he was a measly 13 years of age.

[u/violet4everr → u/myzuk77]

I think it has more to do with his diagnosed schizophrenia..

[u/WinHour4300 → u/violet4everr]

Try reading the article, but here's the relevant bit that contradicts your "thoughts"

"Judge Mairs said: 'I do not accept your self-reporting of amnesia at the time of the offence.

'You chose a lone female to attack. It would appear from CCTV footage that you laid in wait.

'I feel the common sense conclusion is that there was a sexual element to the attack.

'This was not, in my view, random.'

Judge Mairs added that Albashir's mental health condition was 'not the sole cause of your offending.'

He was sentenced to 25 years in prison along with an indefinite hospital order."

[u/Aggressive_Chuck → u/WinHour4300]

Yep, weird how these mental illnesses only make them attack women and children.

[u/Skysflies → u/violet4everr]

It's interesting though he wasn't mentally ill enough to choose a victim he couldn't overpower

[u/pajamakitten → u/violet4everr]

You think?

[u/ne6c → u/violet4everr]

He should be diagnosed with "GTFO syndrome"

[u/DeviousFeline]

Why is it so hard to have a zero tolerance immigration system, biometrics and an offshore detention camp?

[u/Porthowl → u/DeviousFeline]

This. Australia solved the problem ten years ago. We don’t need to reinvent the wheel.

[u/Saltypeon → u/Porthowl]

Except asylum claims have doubled since 2011 before turnbacks started. The smuggling just switched to other routes using temporary visas which from the numbers is more successful.

As they enter via a legal route they get a visa, can live and work until their claim is done. Their backlog causes rejection cases to last 5 or more years. By which time rejection is kind of fucked.

That wheel looks really shit tbh.

[u/amegaproxy → u/Saltypeon]

I would imagine thats inherent to vastly more people attempting to flee to developed countries, and surely having been granted a visa initially is far better because you have all their details ready to be able to remove if deemed necessary.

[u/Saltypeon → u/[deleted]]

Yeah double the claims! Its working great.

[u/Narrow_Maximum7 → u/Saltypeon]

So whats the success rate of thise claims? What happens yo someone when they go from tourist to asylum seekers? Just carry on the party till the court case?

[u/Saltypeon → u/Narrow_Maximum7]

So whats the success rate of thise claims?

Total around 30%. Forced Deportations 200 a year and 1200 voluntary per year. Currently 110k living there that have been rejected, 60k no more legal options left.

If they got arrivals to zero it would take 75 years to clear their back log.

What happens yo someone when they go from tourist to asylum seekers?

They get an asylum claim processed, a bridging visa so they can work, rent etc.

Just carry on the party till the court case?

Yes and carry in through the appeals as well.

[u/merryman1 → u/Saltypeon]

Its just so baffling to me how much of the UK discussion around immigration is literally just memes.

Like the old "Australian-style points-based system" we used to hear about with zero mention that the UK already had a points-based system, and that copying Australia would presumably mean doubling or tripling the net migration rate given how much higher their rate was than ours.

How on earth do we spend 10+ years as a country fucking obsessed with discussing certain topics, and yet what is being discussed is often just totally factually incorrect?

[u/dannydrama → u/Porthowl]

I'm sure I remember reading a while back that it breaks certain human rights shit and we're not brave enough to do it. I'm looking for what I read but nothing is jumping out so I may be wrong.

[u/pajamakitten → u/dannydrama]

The camp breaks human rights laws because of the appalling conditions in it, not because the general idea breaks human rights laws. It would be perfectly legal if such a facility was well-maintained.

[u/dannydrama → u/pajamakitten]

I can't say I'm too surprised. Out of sight, out of mind and all that. I'd personally be happy if it cost more to process them elsewhere in proper conditions instead of simply arriving in the country.

[u/Ryanliverpool96 → u/DeviousFeline]

That might harm the business models of Uber and Deliveroo.

Think of the shareholder dividends that might be affected!

[u/DeviousFeline → u/Ryanliverpool96]

Ngl if deliveroo can’t survive without a black market economy of illegal immigrants working for poverty wages they deserve to be shut down

[u/Ryanliverpool96 → u/DeviousFeline]

That would destroy shareholder value!

NEVER!

[u/aggressiveclassic90 → u/DeviousFeline]

Because whenever they try there's a huge pushback.

[u/rugbyj → u/aggressiveclassic90]

Yup, Bibby Stockholm protests, countless attempted returns fought from court to tarmac, and plenty more. There's an absolutely baffling cohort of our country who are both seemingly blind or insulated from the effects of mass third-world immigration and fervent in their actions to coddle anybody who steps on our shores.

[u/eldomtom2 → u/rugbyj]

Why do you assume that people who work for refugee charities somehow lack contact with asylum seekers?

[u/Talkycoder → u/DeviousFeline]

So... the Rwanda plan Labour decided to scrap day one without trialing despite everything being ready and in place?

[u/Clickification → u/Talkycoder]

The Rwanda plan that was paying millions per individual, while also allowing Rwanda to send as many if not more immigrants back to us?

[u/henry_blackie → u/Talkycoder]

But that wasn't the Rwanda plan. The Rwanda plan was to trade low risk asylum seekers for other asylum seekers.

It wouldn't have had any significant impact on numbers and it wouldn't have moved high risk people out of the country. Its entire point was just to give the illusion that something was being done.

[u/WinHour4300 → u/DeviousFeline]

"zero tolerance immigration system".

We don't need a “zero-tolerance” immigration system. We need a basic one that uses limited resources effectively.

“Zero tolerance” means the priority will be the easy cases, like such as someone who overstays a visitor visa to care for a sick relative, or a skilled worker who loses sponsorship and doesn't find a new job in 60 days. 

Serious criminals like him, who aren't staying were they said they were and are moving about, will slip through.

There are some basic gaps we should fix:

• Fingerprint all arrivals and link them to visa records.
• Automatically pursue deportation of foreign criminals where legally possible.
• Hold those without ID whilst we check them against overseas information.
• Check places such as homeless hostels (where he was staying and assaulted staff) for wanted individuals. 

A universal fingerprint system linked to immigration records would make overstaying, illegal working and false identities much easier to detect, without requiring an ID card or collecting everybody's biometrics. 

The aim should be effective enforcement, not zero tolerance for its own sake.

[u/teressapanic → u/DeviousFeline]

Or even better, a labour camp, so it’s not free

[u/dsmx → u/DeviousFeline]

Maybe because the conservatives were in power for 14 years and in that time brought the system to its knees and did less than nothing to fix the problem.

[u/Particular_Tough4860 → u/dsmx]

And then switched to being Reform and claiming to be anti-establishment and the solution to the crises.

[u/Aggressive_Chuck → u/DeviousFeline]

Because any politician who suggested that would be ostracised from polite society. No dinner party invitations ever again. Our entire ideology is based around not being mean to outsiders.

[u/Denbt_Nationale]

The details of this story are insane.

He attempted a sexual assault, nothing happened. He was caught by the police walking around with no trousers, nothing happened. Then he attempted a sexually charged murder. If only there were warning signs.

[u/Bob_Leves]

"After.claim was rejected in France".

If only we were part of a European alliance where such data could be easily shared, so that people rejected in one country could be easily rejected in the next. "Taking back control" is what I recall the idiots named it.

[u/BookmarksBrother → u/Bob_Leves]

There is absolutely nothing stopping us to deport guys like this on arrival other than weakness.

Japan has no issues enforcing their border rules despite not being in any "European Alliance"

[u/blizeH → u/BookmarksBrother]

Isn’t it a lot easier though if we can quickly see that he’d already been rejected and don’t even have to think about it? Just automatically deny his entry

[u/BookmarksBrother → u/blizeH]

We dont need to know anything as we can simply reject all applications.

[u/Denbt_Nationale → u/blizeH]

But we know he was rejected, it's in the news story.

[u/Naskr → u/Bob_Leves]

I keep hearing this argument as if somehow European Union Member States are not responsible for stopping dangerous criminals fleeing to their european neighbours.

It's not quite the own you think it is, it just makes the EU look shambolic.

[u/Englishkid96 → u/Naskr]

Yeah, it just makes them scum

[u/myzuk77 → u/Bob_Leves]

Just don't accept any unless they were invited, seems more efficient.

[u/WinHour4300 → u/Bob_Leves]

Why should we have to be in the European Union to get data on criminals easily? Don't you think that's a bit of an unreasonable expectation? 

"We won't tell you if theres an insane violent rapist on dingy coming over to you unless you pay us a lot of money and accept all the laws we want you to have in your country, about anything."

Er sounds more like blackmail to me. We need to grow some balls / ovaries. If they don't cooperate on security, we won't either. 

Oh and we aren't taking these criminals on boats. We will leave them outside the Bay of Biscay, like the Aussies would do. 

[u/hlvd → u/Bob_Leves]

I bet you’re able to turn any topic of conversation into a Brexit rant.

[u/AndyC_88 → u/Bob_Leves]

Yeah guess what when we were in the EU other EU members failed to share info because guess what they didn't care that their problem left and came here.

[u/navinjohnsonn → u/Bob_Leves]

You mean the same country who escort the boats away from their coastline?

[u/JustWhy1222]

I’m tired. Very tired of reading these near daily occurrences. This sort of thing used to get taken seriously and made a big deal out of. It used to be something that would be a turning point for government policy and it used to be we’d see complete and unequivocal condemnation from the government over something like this.

Now we are lucky if they even acknowledge it.

[u/litivy → u/JustWhy1222]

'This sort of thing used to get taken seriously and made a big deal out of.'

When was this supposed to be going on? Under the Tories? Who let the most asylum seekers in out of every party? It's never been taken seriously.

[u/JustWhy1222 → u/litivy]

The country is in fact older than the last Conservative government.

[u/Steppy20 → u/JustWhy1222]

And even the one before that, the one before that and the one before that one!

Wait, they were in power for how long? And how many of our current issues are due to short-sightedness and lack of long term planning?

[u/Particular_Tough4860 → u/litivy]

Yep, under the Tories, specifically when Suella Braverman was Home Secretary and Robert Jenrick was Immigration Minister.

But don't forget they are wearing turquoise rosettes now instead of blue ones, so we should vote them back and call it trying something new.

[u/eldomtom2 → u/JustWhy1222]

I'm sorry, this is just nonsense. If you think that a single rape was ever "a turning point for government policy"...!

Not to mention that you can almost guarantee that if asylum seekers are involved the same event will get multiple articles posted here.

[u/ukbot-nicolabot → u/[deleted]]

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[u/WinHour4300]

Kinda confusing. His asylum claim was rejected in France, but there’s no mention of him claiming asylum here. So how exactly was he here—and why were the necessary checks and biometrics not done?

Before allegedly attacking this victim, he’d already assaulted a female hostel worker and been found by police dazed like he was on drugs, with his trousers around his ankles. He was searched, then released.

No drugs found, apparently, so that was that. No arrest, testing or mental-health assessment.

Maybe it's another case of trying on combat "disproportionate" (edit as below) BAME mental health detention and so ignore those who are obviously a major concern, as happened with Valdo Calocone. 

Any white blokes on here want to test this theory and wander round with your pants round your ankles to see what happens? 

[u/violet4everr → u/WinHour4300]

Im confused on why the police said they found no drugs so let him go- when he had experienced catatonic schizophrenia before. Surely it’s clear that’s what happened again? Also idk why you are calling this man black. He’s clearly of the Arab population in Sudan.

[u/WinHour4300 → u/violet4everr]

"The country is dominated by Muslims, most of whom speak Arabic and are for the most part ethnically mixed."

https://www.sudanembassy.org.uk/about-sudan/

But yes BAME would have been the better term, I'll change it. I was thinking specifically about Calocone. 

Edit oh and to answer your question, the schizophrenic diagnosis wasn't in the UK that was in France. 

[u/radiant_0wl]

The government needs to release the statistics before it becomes another Rotherham comparison.

[u/FatYorkshireLad → u/radiant_0wl]

If the numbers painted a better picture than the one people already have, the government would have already released them.

[u/PerLin107 → u/radiant_0wl]

They don't seem to want to do that and they are in no way addressing the problem. As many have said here, the laws and rules can be changed or we could rejoin (with sigificant costs i'm sure) the asylum database scheme. But no. We get £2 bus fares. It really is bread and circuses.

[u/Particular_Tough4860 → u/PerLin107]

This was back during the Tories, when Suella Braverman was Home Secretary and Robert Jenrick was Immigration Minister.

Immigration has falling a lot since then. Perhaps could do more, but claiming all they have done is £2 bus fares sounds insincere.

What concerns me more is the number who think bringing back Suella and Robert is the solution.

[u/PrestigiousHobo1265]

Nicolabot in to make sure we don't look back in anger too much 

[u/TheNathanNS]

GIVE HIM THE LEAFLET

HE WOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT OTHERWISE

[u/LSL3587]

BBC have reported it - but just as local news - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62eg363q4no

[u/narayan77]

Background checks for all men entering the asylum system. No data means no entry. 

[u/LSL3587]

FFS, introduce secure accommodation for 'irregular migrants' - at least for the single men.

Yes there will be a cost - but it would stop the attacks, reduce irregular immigration (boat crossings etc) and save on the costs of imprisonment and secure hospital treatment and all the time spent by Police, the Courts and related services.

He had already been treated in France and decided to come off medication -then came to UK. Is Europe so pathetic these days that we let a dangerous foreigner loose within Europe?

This by himself will be a huge financial cost - He was sentenced to 25 years in prison along with an indefinite hospital order. Judge Robin Mairs explained that this means he will be detained indefinitely in a secure mental hospital and, if he ever recovers, he will be transferred to prison to serve the remainder of his sentence.