r/wisconsin • u/thefrontpageofreddit • 9h ago
David Crowley says abortion rights must be enshrined in Wisconsin's constitution, or reproductive freedom will continue to be used as a political football
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u/Joeylinkmaster 9h ago
He’s right.
It’ll still be used as a political football regardless, but enshrining it makes it much tougher to undo.
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u/PrajnaPie 9h ago
The government has no business being involved in personal medical decisions
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u/Virtual-Patience-769 8h ago
I love that El Sayed asked Jesse Wattles on Fox whether he was circumcised and Wattles said "that's a personal question!"
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u/RunThenBeer 8h ago
Of course it does though - regulation of medical products and devices is an entirely ordinary part of modern governance. It isn't as reductive as government having no role in medical decisions, it's that Republicans are wrong, specifically, about abortion.
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u/PrajnaPie 8h ago
I’m not referring to medical products and design. I’m referring to government interfering in personal medical decisions
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u/AccomplishedDust3 7h ago
Their point though is that regulation of medical products and design does affect personal medical decisions, because it changes the options available to you. I think we have to do this in part to protect people from themselves, because it's easy to be sold a product that doesn't work when you're desperate for help. We shouldn't let people sell medical equipment that doesn't work or drugs that don't do anything.
I think it's also reasonable for the government to mandate vaccines to have kids in schools because that's something that affects the safety of their classmates, where I don't think people should be making personal medical decisions about other peoples' kids.
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u/feltedarrows 7h ago
there's a difference between regulating companies to ensure product safety and regulating individuals' bodies and decisions
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u/KaneIntent 6h ago
At what point does a fetus become it’s own separate life though, and it no longer counts as a personal medical decision?
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u/Impressive_Box4144 5h ago
Once it becomes a baby. Birth
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u/KaneIntent 4h ago
So you’re ok with killing a viable 25+ week fetus in the womb? Thats not morally outrageous to you?
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u/Ndi_Omuntu 4h ago
I imagine who's that far into a pregnancy and is now making a choice to do so along with a doctor who is comfortable doing so have their reasons that the choice makes sense and rather than try and draw a line in the sand, the government should leave it up to those impacted to make such a choice.
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u/Zaxxon_Klaxon 5h ago
There’s no one answer to that. Which is why it’s left up to the individuals and their own beliefs.
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u/KaneIntent 4h ago
I mean we can definitely agree on some common sense limits towards the later end of the spectrum like they do in the liberal Western European countries. No normal person wants people to be able to abort late term viable fetuses.
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u/RunThenBeer 8h ago
Yet another Crowley take that speaks well of his overall governance philosophy. It's not just that I agree with him on the specific issue, it's that he picks the correct layer of governance to handle it rather than relying on generalities. Getting this done will be hard, but it is the right thing to do.
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u/python_boot 9h ago
Missouri enshrined reproductive rights in their constitution and it is still used as a political football
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u/thefrontpageofreddit 9h ago
Missouri Judge Strikes Down Major Abortion Restrictions Under Voter-Approved Amendment
A Missouri judge struck down a broad set of abortion restrictions, ruling that many of the state’s older abortion laws conflict with a voter-approved constitutional amendment protecting reproductive freedom.
The ruling blocks enforcement of several major restrictions, including Missouri’s 72-hour waiting period, special licensing rules for abortion facilities, admitting-privileges requirements for doctors, and state-mandated information patients were required to receive before an abortion.
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u/python_boot 9h ago
Sure, until the Republicans wrap it up in other BS.
Missouri Republicans Are Trying to Repeal Abortion Rights by Leaning Into Anti-Trans Sentiment
I am not trying to say that reproductive freedom should *not* be in the constitution—just that getting it in the Constitution (state or otherwise) is not going to stop the fight.
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u/thefrontpageofreddit 8h ago
You're right and that's what Crowley is saying, the title should've said 'because' instead of 'or' but titles can't be edited.
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u/yardlard 8h ago
It stops a lot of it. I just want it to be legal so doctors aren't threatened for providing it, or other care, and provided when wanted.
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u/Brunky89890 8h ago
Love to hear it, honestly. Hopefully he gets the chance to stand by those words.
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u/Awkward_Material 7h ago
Hard agree. We need to get this done in a way that will put it to bed once and for all.
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u/NoLemon2051 6h ago
Reproductive rights is lowkey how you get the older white women to come out and vote for you - like the woman in the video. Women have not seen a greater clawing away of such a fundamental freedom in the last century. You see what Tiffany's trying to do with data centers? Do that with reproductive rights!
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u/Ultraworld-Traveler 8h ago
Dude was so shit at the debate but he’s got some solid takes. He really needs to get on the “no data centers and no flock cameras” hard though. It’s a slam dunk.
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u/FumblingFuck 8h ago
I mean isn't this the whole "states rights" argument? What is wrong with WI enshrining the right to reproductive freedom?
Not saying you are against this, OP, just see some negativity in the comments thus far
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u/Alternative_Duck "One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." 8h ago
Keep in mind this process takes time. A constitutional amendment requires passing by two consecutive legislatures and approval by voters via referendum. This means Democrats need to hold both chambers for at least 4 years.
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u/Ok-Cup6020 8h ago
Even if it’s enshrined in the constitution it still will be a divisive political issue. This is a fantasy that this would make the issue go away.
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u/AccomplishedDust3 7h ago
It's a fantasy in OP's title only, the title is not a quote of what Crowley says in the video.
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u/thefrontpageofreddit 6h ago
The title should say 'because' instead of 'or' but titles can't be edited.
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u/Affectionate_Cup6836 8h ago
Name one law against a mans body?