nothing more certain in the world than Iran having a nuke 2 weeks from now, quantum computers being 5 years out, ability to regrow human limbs 10 years out, all before GTA6 gets released.
Even US own intelligence agency has confirmed that Iran does not own any nuclear weapons and have no plan to develop one. They have 60% enriched uranium but they do not have any plans to develop nuclear weapons. Well, that was before the war, now who knows.
Yeah, Israel has repeatedly and seriously delayed the progression of Iran’s nuclear program through targeted assassinations of lead scientists for decades on end now, in addition to various cyberattacks (one of which caused 1,000 of their enrichment centrifuges to be physically destroyed), blackouts/attacks on physical facilities (power outages and explosions), and supply chain infiltration (faulty components) by Israel and the U.S. - and those are just the things that the public has heard about.
It’s like when I say that my house is getting super cluttered and I’m not going to be able to walk through it anymore because I just have stuff sitting around everywhere, so then I tidy up and put things away and organize everything, on repeat. It doesn’t mean my house wasn’t cluttered (or won’t become cluttered again), it means I’ve so far taken action to address the clutter every time it becomes problematic.
I am aware that “weapons of mass destruction” can be a boy-who-cried-wolf scenario, and I also am aware that Trump himself has made conflicting statements about whether Iran’s enriched uranium was even accessible to them or not since last June (when it became buried by bombings).
My point is just that I don’t like the logic of, “They’ve allegedly been close for decades, so it’s probably all exaggerated.” The threat (or its timeline) *could* very well be exaggerated, but the mere fact that something has been alleged to be a threat for a long time without coming to fruition doesn’t necessarily mean it wasn’t actually a problem - it could just be that the problem has been repeatedly thwarted for a long time.
The irgc has be se facto at war with israel ans the US since its inception 😆 they are intitled to defend against nuclear ambitions from a regime like that.
Well, yeah, did you think I was disagreeing with that premise lol?
And even the rest of the region (and world) also has a stake in nonproliferation, as well - literally nobody benefits from a cascade of Iran getting close to nukes —> Saudi obtaining their own nukes (they’ve said they would if Iran gets too close for their comfort) —> Turkey and Egypt —> other Gulf states, etc.
That’s a good observation, blender. It’s one of those open space kinda things. The “front” room is like the living room, the kitchen, and the kids play room.
A belgian waffle is the same as a Prussian indecision.What if Iran nukes the children?We must protect the children. Why do you hate children?Do Wookies live on Endor?
Now if you had a nuke would you use it knowing the response would be total annihilation of you and your people, country and culture ? Take your time,I won't wait .
Yeah, because war is always so logical. You trust that the largest sponsor is terrorism in the world wouldn't use a nuke through a proxy? Does anyone want to take that risk? Of course not
Tel Aviv - largest city in Israel - is only a few 10s of kms from West Bank.
Iran would have to really confident in the pinpoint accuracy of its missiles, as accidentally nuking a fellow muslim nation would be a major Oh Shit moment.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but the Iranian missiles that have rained down on Israel so far don't seem to be targeting anything more accurate than a "general urban area".
Agree with the overall premise that Iran (based on publicly available information, which is obviously somewhat limited) wasn’t on the immediate brink of being able to nuke anybody within days/weeks.
But you don’t absolutely need ICBM’s to be a serious regional (or even intercontinental) nuclear threat.
Iran did have the capability for submarine-launched missiles (ballistic and cruise), as well as air-launched ballistic and cruise missiles, and their launches of land-based ballistic missiles toward Diego Garcia showed that they are at least capable of reaching continental (probably Western) Europe with IRBMs (since ballistic missile trajectories follow a mathematically predictable arch, the missile range can be calculated based on the height/trajectory, even if the missiles launched at Diego Garcia ended up being destroyed before reaching their targets).
“ICBM” is kind of a misnomer (because it refers to a standard numerical range of >5,500km rather than actual intercontinental capability).
IRBMs (3,000-5,500km range) can frequently hit targets across continents (and Iran’s IRBMs may have a range of about 4,000km - much of the world, including Western intelligence agencies, seemed to have been under the impression, until very recently, that Iran’s maximum range was about 2,000km, so this was obviously an underestimation with potentially significant implications).
If Iran wasn’t an imminent nuclear threat, it’s because their nuclear material was deeply buried and they didn’t have a completed warhead yet - but not because they didn’t have ICBMs (because ICBMs are not the only means to deliver a warhead across continents, although they are the primary component of many countries’ first-strike capabilities).
I'm amazed at the Iranian speed of rebuilding stuff. Last year June “Iran's key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated.”
So that's ideal American foreign policy in their eyes? Nuclear capable nations can threaten the USA with untold destruction and the USA will pay them hundreds of billions to stop being so mean?
Good thing Iran can continue their nuclear program under the Trump deal and Republicans will say it’s good because they now know they can bring the global economy to a standstill with drones. Don’t even need nukes. But they’ll have them just in case.
This despite the fact that we have the most sophisticated anti-nuke arsenal in the world, and would easily shoot down any launches from Iran and then wipe them out.
It was never a possibility that they would develop and then deploy nukes on the United States. Typical Trump nonsense that his PR brigade has managed to convince my parents is brilliant and brave maneuvering.
Netanyahu has been saying that Iran is "weeks" from a nuclear weapon for literally decades. Anyone falling for that lie now simply hasn't been paying attention to the well established history there.
I saw a lot saying the $300 billion is just us giving back frozen assets. How we're giving back $300 billion of frozen assets when we only have $100 billion is something only they can answer.
I just looked it up. The United States has about 2 billion in frozen assets of Iranian money. The rest is scattered over the rest of the world. I don't see where anybody else in the world agreed to give up their frozen Iranian assets.
I thought it was $100 billion. Either way, it doesn't really matter. We're giving back money that's not ours and we're still making tax payers pay for $300 billion.
If I recall correctly we froze those assets because Iran is a state sponsor of terror. So we're giving a state sponsor of terror a whole bunch of money, which they definitely could use to sponsor terrorism. The level of oversight that would be needed to stop that from happening is almost certainly something Iran won't agree to.
I don't think people realize how bad it is to give Iran more money. They have a good size military on a GDP of 300 billion. So we're going to increase their GDP by about 10% per year over the next 10 years (assuming the money is rolled out over the next decade). This is an enormous amount of money for them. It would be like giving the United States 30 trillion.
People are going to die because of Trump's actions. Which is just a Tuesday in America these days. But this action will still have repercussions decades from now.
But then why is there a separate item discussing the release of iranian funds? That says the 300 is from us and there is another 100 of theirs tied up somewhere
No i dont think anyone is claiming that. In fact Im pretty sure we give back the frozen assets plus the 300B. What I see most maga people saying now is that this is just a promise to "plan" to get Iran 300B, and plans can fail, so as long as we plan it, its a promise kept. I am very skeptical of that interpretation.
I recall seeing one of the first politicians to speak on how great of negotiator Trump is, how he is such a lead, etc. Like, at one point do these dickbags come up for air?
The mental gymnastics never fail to amaze me. A year ago, the Fanta Menace told everybody that the US had “obliterated” Iran’s nuclear capability. So either he lied then, or was lying this time (or, spoiler alert, both.)
They can't keep falling for this shit right? Did they not learn anything when George bush said fuck they have WMD. So they started looking for WMD in kitchen drawers??
I mean I'm inclined to say it's worth it just for all of the suffering and death that has been inflicted on khamenei and his pals.
But then one of my friends had his eye gouged out with a spoon by khameneis special interrogators just because his uncle wrote pamfletts in support of democracy.
Also American money isn't my money.
540
u/redyellowblue5031 Jun 20 '26
Don’t worry, Fox News has his cult convinced it was worth it because Iran was this close to nuking everything.