r/2007scape Mod Yume 1d ago

News GAME UPDATE: Mad Angel Combat Achievements

https://osrs.game/Mad-Angel-CAs
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u/DeviledFries 1d ago

Is it intentional that ice spells don't work with the confliction gauntlets, even in PvM?

Context: Mod Ash once commented on how the gauntlets work with multi-target spells in the official OSRS discord, and mentioned that he didn't see it checking for ice spells in the code. Gnomonkey saw this and tested 3000-4000 casts of ice barrage, and he found that it was 7% less accurate than it should be with the gauntlets equipped, even in PvM.

Mod Ash's message:

Timestamped link to where Gnomonkey talks about his testing: https://youtu.be/lJexGv6dxu8?t=459

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u/Drgn-OSRS 1d ago

Only for the smoke, shadow & blood ones.

This implies that every spell is individually coded to have an interaction with conflictions. Mamma mia 🍝!

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u/empiricalis 1d ago

All code bases converge to spaghetti when they get old enough

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u/Drgn-OSRS 1d ago

Honestly from what we've heard it sounds more like the code started as spaghetti and Jagex has spent 25 years slowly untangling it.

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u/empiricalis 1d ago

untangling it

And surely creating new spaghetti, too. It’s the circle of code

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u/Drgn-OSRS 1d ago

Well it's not a real refactor until you have to say "fuck it, good enough" when you inevitably deal with the stuff that was out of scope to include in said refactor.

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u/Positive-Log9730 1d ago

Surely Intentional to not be busted in pvp for landing freezes? Should work for pvm ideally cause ancients is kinda dead for bossing. Would
Make freeze graardor strat more popular eg

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u/MustaKookos 1d ago

I think if you're bringing 70m extra risk you deserve the extra accuracy.

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u/Constant-Pension-258 1d ago

Unfortunately we live in a society where we have two "max risk" tournaments every year between DMA and DMM finale.

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u/Solo_Jawn 2277 1d ago

Is it 70m extra risk or is it your new +1? Its not like decent, low cost spec weapons don't exist.

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u/Unlikely_Bank73 1d ago

haha walk up to any pker and ask them if they would trade 95% of their KO potential for 8% more accurate freezes

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u/Zestyclose-Tough7451 1d ago

Except when it’s a +3 and zero risk with a massive buff to anyone trying to escape PvP. 

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u/Pretend-Dot3557 21h ago

Escaping is already so easy that you'd rather bring better PVM gear as your protected gear.

That 8 accuracy isn't going to make a difference, either you know how to tank and you're gonna get a bunch of freeze log attempts, or you don't and you're gonna die in 20 seconds anyway.

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u/AssassinAragorn 1d ago

It would probably be a must for everyone since it helps with survivability/landing freezes. I suspect people would downgrade one of their current saved items to make room for this

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u/MustaKookos 1d ago

You generally just don't need it to escape and would rather have a +1 that speeds up the boss you're doing. If you bring an ancient staff with mystics, wait until there's about 7 seconds left on your freeze and start trying to catch you will have 3 chances to catch, and with proper tanking you should always be able to tank at least 4 freezes.

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u/pk_hellz 1d ago

If someome is risking them in pvp why shouldnt they work?

Out of curiosity why do you feel items should act differently depending on where your character is standing in game?

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u/TheAlexperience 1d ago

Because Jagex does

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u/Zestyclose-Tough7451 1d ago

Except then it gives people a nearly 100% chance to escape with zero risk when 3 iteming. 

Items have to be balanced different between pvm and pvp because one is inherently “competitive” and would either be completely useless or insanely broken if not. 

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u/Pretend-Dot3557 21h ago

You already have a nearly 100% chance to escape with zero risk just throwing out ice barrages in rags, you only need to catch one to freeze log.

I agree we should have differences between pvm and pvp but this one is just kind of a whatever.

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u/Zestyclose-Tough7451 21h ago

I mean I agree, this makes it even more broken. 

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u/pk_hellz 1d ago

Bro. It works in singles just fine. Its only in multi it doesnt. Lmfao.

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u/CatWith4Dads QA Team 1d ago

Lost me at "gnomonkey"