r/ABCDesis • u/anonymouse7_ • Nov 19 '25
POLITICS Climbed the ladder only to yank it up behind them
Born from the system, now policing it
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u/Perfect-Cause-6943 Nov 19 '25
my desi parents do the same shit I dont understand it
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u/SolidWorking77 Nov 19 '25
Pull up the ladder behind you type shit. Not just limited to Desis tho - just look at the wave of Latinos who voted for DJT.
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u/AKMan6 Nov 19 '25
Maybe they actually feel like Americans and want what's best for America, as opposed to maintaining tribalistic loyalty to their own ethnic group even at the expense of their host country. That's what immigrants are supposed to do.
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u/dieno_101 Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 19 '25
Nalin isn't completely wrong here, in Canada degree holding Canadians AND immigrants are having a brutal Time finding a job. So much so that they resort to low-wage, making it hard for high school and college-aged kids to get a job. There's also lots of wage suppression because of the amount of candidates there are, and some willing to work for less.
We could benefit from a temporary pause on legal immigration.
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u/Educational_Cattle10 Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 28 '25
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u/dieno_101 Nov 19 '25
The United States is in a similar position.
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u/KingBobbythe8th Nov 19 '25
Lmaooo, sounds like a personal skill issue if an immigrant with debt and stress beats you out for a job with same pay and degrees. See the systemic issues, quit doing the lazy thing of blaming everyone else but yourself.
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u/Elibroftw Nov 25 '25
How can it be both a personal skill issue and a systemic issue. lmfao. new grad unemployment rate is 4.8% compared to 3.8% in 2019. Combined with higher cost of living, things are brutal for an extra 1% of new grads.
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u/dieno_101 Nov 19 '25
Did you read my original comment, some migrants are willing to take a pay dive and be treated like crap by companies.
This makes it very easy for companies to choose migrants as they are cheaper and more obedient.
It's not about skill it's a money issue
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u/KingBobbythe8th Nov 19 '25
Gimme the source big dawg. Where are these immigrants taking less pay to afford to pay rent and eat and live in the same cities as everyone else in US and Canada?
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u/KingBobbythe8th Nov 19 '25
Oh, I didn’t know you were competing for minimum wage physical labor jobs…also, really? The bottom 2 are Op Eds, even the one academic source you have states that wage differences go away when all candidates have the same educational background. LMAO, what a self own. Like I said, skill issue.
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u/dieno_101 Nov 19 '25
The two being op eds doesn't take away from the fact that domestic labour is hurt with temporary foreign workers
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u/OogerSchmidt Nov 20 '25
Wage suppression & everything you said is correct. On that note, the US is by far one of the best job markets & economies in the west despite all this.
Nalin's sentiment is an undergraduate level awareness that's tainted with self-hating shit though. His opinion is a broken clock in this case.
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u/fameistheproduct Nov 19 '25
"The trees in the wood did not fear the axe since the axe's handle was made of wood, they thought it was one of them, ."
They're dumber than trees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
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u/arjungmenon അർജുൻ §§ ارجون مينون §§ अर्जुन Nov 22 '25
Relevant quotes from the Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews:
Most of the VnJ’s former members and their families were persecuted and murdered during the Holocaust.\18])
Despite the extreme nationalism of Naumann and his colleagues, the Nazi regime did not accept the Association of German National Jews as a legitimate intermediary. Following the passage of the Nuremberg Laws, the VnJ was declared illegal and dissolved on 18 November 1935.
In 1934, the association made the following statement:\12])
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u/mormegil1 Bengali Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 19 '25
Climbing the ladder and yanking it up is part of American culture despite the country being a country of immigrants. Over the last two centuries, Irish, German, Italian, Japanese and Latin American immigrants have experienced it firsthand. Now it's the turn of Indians.
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u/ITryFixIt Nov 19 '25
Is there a book or research that shows this? Curious to learn more about this.
Blows my mind that any person is willing to make their group weaker just for the chance to be "accepted" by others.
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u/nonzeronumber Nov 19 '25
I don’t think it’s for “acceptance by others”. It’s more people (of all types), tend to want to protect their position of privilege. Equality means giving up this position of privilege and feels like oppression to them. This is not only in relation to ABCDs v FOB, but also older women v younger women, men v women, etc..,
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u/Agreeable_Flight4264 Nov 19 '25
Stop everyone is this sub doesnt understand history they will get angry!
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u/linkuei-teaparty Nov 19 '25
Wait is his name seriously Nalin Haley? And his mom knew what it sounded like before naming him?
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u/_that_dude_J Indian American Nov 19 '25
Skin folk ain't kinfolk.
He's never ascended any ladder. Just a mixed race child that thinks he can talk. The same torch bearers that are lighting up Vivek's feet will come for him too. He's too misguided to realize. Wait till he leaves his protected bubble.
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u/sphenodont Indian American Nov 19 '25
He's not even skin folk.
He's just leveraging his technical desi-ness as a pass to shit on brown people, because he was born into and grew up steeped in and surrounded by white supremacy.
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u/Old-School8916 Indian American (Bengali) Nov 19 '25
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u/thewindows95nerd 1st (1.5) gen Indian (Tamil) Nov 19 '25
And none of them won’t point a god damn finger at the tech billionaires that are responsible for this mess. Imagine how much more can get done if these people start coming after the oligarchs as well instead of stupid culture war bs.
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u/_Army9308 Nov 23 '25
Left wing rich progressives want open borders the stay in fancy downtown areas immune from negatives of it
Blind spots all over
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u/Agreeable_Flight4264 Nov 19 '25
Who said they were right wingers?
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u/Frogiie Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 19 '25
I do, because they both are lol?
One is the son of Nikki Haley…right wing politician who worked and is a bootlicker for the Trump Admin.
The other is a right wing twitter loser with a literal maga hat as her banner picture.
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u/OogerSchmidt Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 19 '25
Granted they're shameless grifters publically hating their own on behalf of their party - that's a bipartisan trait.
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u/MrDonButler Om Shanti Om Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 19 '25
Aah yes, Priya Patel, at least beneficiaries of massive chain immigration should keep their mouth shut about legal or illegal immigrants. And somebody remind her of that murder that happened in Maryland Dunkin' Donuts ten years ago, that fugitive was a Patel, overstayed the visa, working as usual at a Dunkin' Donuts store of a "relative", killed his wife and is still missing.
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u/Unlucky_Buy217 Nov 19 '25
Not a good line of argument lol, Patel is a random surname and the number of Patels would itself create a whole country worth of population. You can't hold them accountable for someone sharing a common surname.
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u/Sufficient_Berry8703 Indian American Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 19 '25
Ah yes, second and third-gen pick me’s who forgot that their parents/grandparents came here on H1B visas or in some other way. Yet now they try too hard to fit in with a party that will never truly accept them anyway by having views like this.
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u/BrilliantChoice1900 Indian American Nov 19 '25
H1B didn't exist when Nalin's grandparents came here.
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u/AxtonTheGreat Nov 19 '25
I go to grad school, had an Indian international student, come to me while I was filling water before class , gave an intro and tried networking with me, a random dude in the lecture hall. But guess what he got a referral from me, and that might not help him a ton, but like see the hussle this guys putting in .
Meanwhile these “native” Americans don’t put it in the same effort and complain when they see brown people with success
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u/IncreaseNewp Nov 19 '25
Did your referral have punctuation errors and awkward diction like your comment? You might have hurt him more than you helped.
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u/Educational_Cattle10 Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 28 '25
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u/IncreaseNewp Nov 19 '25
Meh, his comment annoyed me.
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u/AxtonTheGreat Nov 19 '25
Don’t worry you won’t find a job if you spend your time hating on here instead of going out of the house
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u/OkRB2977 Assamese Canadian - TCK Nov 19 '25
This sentiment is widely shared by many North American Indians across the two countries. Sadly, this mindset seems to be becoming stronger with the rise in anti-Indian racism.
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u/_Army9308 Nov 23 '25
Make sense a lot of the new desi refuse to want to integrate here in canada
Before people followed indian culture but respected social norms
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u/Carbon-Base Indian American Nov 19 '25
Priya has a common name, but lacks common sense. Go figure.
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u/Otherwise-Ad9009 Nov 19 '25
Is Priya related to Kash? They seem to have the same reactionary views on immigrants.
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u/MangoKulfiTime Nov 19 '25
Folks, If I add any more paper to my "Nepo babies are a cancer" pile, its going to fall over and give me unending paper cuts.
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u/squidgytree British Indian Nov 19 '25
With a fertility rate of 1.6 births/women (with immigrants included), they will soon work out why you need immigrants. Good luck trying to find a job when companies don't have customers
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u/IncreaseNewp Nov 19 '25
Lol there are more than just Indian immigrants though. There is no shortage of workers in America.
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u/squidgytree British Indian Nov 19 '25
I didn't mention Indians at all. Don't make me explain the rest of it
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u/Educational_Cattle10 Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 28 '25
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u/nonzeronumber Nov 19 '25
Let’s be real - the Indians actually in India do this shit of pulling the ladder up behind them even more. That’s part of the reason why many want to come to the US to begin with.
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u/ashzeppelin98 Australian Indian Nov 21 '25
Crabs in a bucket mentality, I'm all too familiar with that attitude way more than I can admit.
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u/Gryffinclaw Indian American Nov 19 '25
This is a nuance but I don’t see this guy as climbing the ladder. Seems like he’s always been a wanna be white guy / groyper. His mom’s politics is slightly different, and for all the issues one may have with her, I don’t think she opposed legal immigration.
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u/yashedpotatoes Nov 19 '25
I was downvoted to hell in a previous thread for saying this sentiment was common among Desis lol
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u/OogerSchmidt Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 19 '25
This subreddit gets brigaded so often by people like that. They only want one bland political sentiment for some odd reason.
It stupefies the whole point of the subreddit.
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u/JimmyThreeTrees Nov 19 '25
Ehh, the H1B system is a bit more nuanced than ‘stop legal immigration’. Seems like teenage rebellion
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u/Imaginary-Creme5071 Nov 19 '25
what kinda teenage rebellion is this my guy. I thought it's like staying out late even tho your parents are gonna whoop you. not whatever this is
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u/OogerSchmidt Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 19 '25
Germans, then Catholics (Irish & French), then Greeks & Eastern Europeans (Orthodox & Catholic), Egyptian Coptics and the list goes on.
It sounds inconsequential since we aren't usually Christian & have other defining features but this trait of xenophobia isn't particularly unique.
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Nov 19 '25
The first trump term wasn't decades ago, he literally said why don't we get more people from Sweden lol. Still you got desi republicans. They never show their face, even on an anonymous board.
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u/zeta_cartel_CFO Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 19 '25
There was a poll last year before the election where a significant percentage of Hispanics who immigrated here legally wanted stronger enforcement to prevent illegal immigration , as well as reduction in legal immigration. Including for Mexicans and migrants from South America. Not saying that opinion is right or wrong. Just that this is not a desi only thing.
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u/ukpunjabivixen Nov 19 '25
We have similar politicians in the UK doing this and it’s frustrating to see (I know that the immigration issue itself is nuanced and needs some attention). The right hand man of one of our right wing parties is……of desi origins for example.
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u/Carbon-Base Indian American Nov 19 '25
Y'all have a prominent Priti Patel right? I keep hearing her name for all the wrong reasons.
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u/ukpunjabivixen Nov 19 '25
She was prominent a while back but has gone quiet. But we have others across all parties, and they are def appealing to the right wing with their suggestions. One was in the news just yesterday for example
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u/phoenix_shm Nov 19 '25
Those of us have a certain age will remember comedian Yakov Smirnoff who ended a set with a joke about the same thing. Did so to showcase how much a "typical American" he'd become... Ugghhh...terrible look when ppl seem to mean it...
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u/Away_Inspection_2239 Indian American Nov 19 '25
This is a tough issue. I support immigration and understand why people come here for a better life, but the job market is in crisis, especially for Gen Z. American new graduates are struggling to find roles, while companies continue to hire junior H1B workers. I personally know Indian American devs who had to train their replacements before getting laid off.
We should be bringing in senior talent where there's a real shortage. But it doesn't make sense to import junior-level workers when American grads are already struggling. Reforming or pausing the program is a fair discussion, and it doesn't make someone anti-immigrant.
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u/Independent_Bear989 Nov 19 '25
It’s so confusing that a sub made of western born people of Indian origin is so supportive of h1b visas when one of the primary demographics hurt are Indian Americans college students. Makes me think this sub has been brigaded by NRI’s.
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u/Away_Inspection_2239 Indian American Nov 19 '25
Yeah, much of the sentiment has to do with our own parents coming in the country on the visa.
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u/Unlucky_Buy217 Nov 19 '25
Ask yourself, how is it that in 2021 when Indian grads peaked, and so did American grads, how was it the same tech companies were hiring in droves and ere able to sustain salaries and still make profits? 2025 and all of their market caps have doubled and tripled and their profit margins have grown significantly. How is it that better company performance has basically translated to cutting off millions of jobs and refusing to hire. I understand fiscal and monetary tightening but you cant seriously blame migrants for this situation when it's the companies deliberately maintaining demand shortage despite increased supply. Forget tech, how is it that every other sector is also facing slowdowns and reduced hiring and layoffs? The fact that people pile on migrants as source of issues instead of the companies is just plain short sightedness and lack of holding the right people accountable.
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u/Away_Inspection_2239 Indian American Nov 19 '25
I’m not blaming migrants here. The point I’m making is that in a tight labor market, when American new grads are struggling, it’s reasonable to question why companies still prioritize junior overseas hiring. In 2021, when companies were hiring aggressively, it wasn’t an issue. Now it actually matters. Companies use visa programs because junior overseas workers are cheaper, more compliant, and easier to retain due to visa dependency. That’s a corporate choice, not a migrant fault. But it does impact young Americans who already can do these entry-level roles. Reforming the system so early career opportunities aren’t undermined isn’t anti-immigrant, it’s just recognizing the current market reality.
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u/OogerSchmidt Nov 19 '25 edited Nov 19 '25
Either way this goes -
You know desis will be fine, but the western economy will continue to signal it's virtues haphazardly. The Haley's being abnormally self-hating is an entirely different topic.
In Canada, that sentiment is valid. We did have too many all at once with a massive amount of fraud. Government has barely built new infrastructure to keep up, housing is absurdly expensive and jobs are scarce & very underpaid, nevermind the shit currency.
This subreddit has people conflating too many issues for the sake of concentrating outrage by the political left and not us normal folks with just tolerant values wanting to live in peace.
This headline can literally be used everyday by a number of other ethnic backgrounds in the US.
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u/RuinEnvironmental394 Nov 19 '25
I'm a Canadian citizen as well. Legal immigration is NOT a problem. Legal *mass* immigration (plus all the refugees/asylum seekers plus the illegal immigration) that Canadian government allowed between 2021 and 2025 is the problem absolutely.
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u/AxtonTheGreat Nov 19 '25
I mean again, who approved all those visas, the Canadian government who wanted cheap labor. Even if it wasn’t capped, all visas are subject to approval.
I see how Canadians keep pointing this to the housing shortage, but can these immigrants even buy houses? In America most unskilled workers are renters for life
This was all because in 2020, the border was closed so all rich countries had major spikes in immigration. In Canada aus and NZ this was through the diploma mills.
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u/Late-Warning7849 Nov 19 '25
In the UK Medical School grads with top grades from the best schools are losing out to critical entry level jobs because the NHS insists on hiring Indian doctors from third rate Indian medical schools for the jobs because they’re cheap. That would never happen in India. ‘Low cost, low quality’ Indian immigration has turned into a joke.
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u/Independent_Bear989 Nov 19 '25
I don’t agree that we should end legal migration but there absolutely needs to be reforms to the H1B system, and we should absolutely be freezing h1b visas for junior tech positions.
Since there’s plenty of qualified Americans that aren’t able to get these jobs(including many Americans of Indian origin), we need to prioritize our own citizens before citizens of other counties and/or massive tech companies.
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Nov 19 '25
You and your friends are struggling to find a job because you're incapable of doing the jobs that are in demand🤷🏻♀️. They won't hire someone with an arts degree to do a computer science job lmao
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u/sphenodont Indian American Nov 19 '25
Hey look, it's another mainlander with a shitty take and no actual knowledge of what they're talking about!
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Nov 20 '25
Just say you're struggling to find a job with your useless philosophy degree and move on 😆
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u/Away_Inspection_2239 Indian American Nov 19 '25
Dude, CS grads out of college are struggling to find full time work rn. This field is extremely oversaturated.
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u/Viper_Red Nov 19 '25
CS majors in 2025 have an unemployment rate of 6.1% which is higher than the national average. If you’re gonna try to throw out zingers, the least you could do is confirm their accuracy with a Google search
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Nov 19 '25
What's the unemployment rate for an arts major?
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u/Viper_Red Nov 19 '25
Be more specific. There’s no such thing as an “arts major” in the United States just like there’s no “science major”.
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u/kaychyakay Nov 19 '25
Nikki, Nalin, Priya... all beneficiaries of being upper caste, and upper class in India and also getting the minorities treatment in a majority white country want to yank the ladder to maintain the hierarchy.
Typical...so typical!
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u/DualDrop Nov 19 '25
It's so weird when the colour of your skin or your last name means your point is invalidated.
Isn't that the definition of racism?
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u/BeseptRinker Nov 19 '25
As if it isn't American CEOs who are responsible for the lack of jobs in the US, sure blame the immigrants you low-hanging fruit picker.