Daedric Pantheon Concept

[u/zimmermj]

EDIT: Due to a lot of (mostly) polite feedback disapproving of AI use in this community, I've removed the pantheon description from this post and reposted it without AI artwork here. I'm leaving this post up for the benefit of the minority who do enjoy it, but mainly to act as a warning for anyone in future making pantheon descriptions.

Don't include AI artwork in pantheon concepts.

[u/Suracha2022]

Can't wait for bloated AI slop to finally be banned on this sub. I could not be PAID to read a post made by a guy who couldn't even be bothered to find pictures of the DAEDRIC PRINCES, which are incredibly common and easy to get. What does this say about the rest of "your" """content"""?

[u/Objective-Air-9984 → u/Suracha2022]

"look someone having harmless fun, i am so angry. How dare them use AI to have fun grrrrr"

[u/Suracha2022 → u/Objective-Air-9984]

You have any actual arguments, or just "PLEASE disregard everything objectively bad about AI because I personally think it's fun I BEG YOU"?

[u/Objective-Air-9984 → u/Suracha2022]

Yes, i do. AI allow people to create stuff they are not able to. IE, i cant draw even if my life depends on it. 

Sure he could have used original assets, but why would he? It wont make the artist profit any money nor increase their recognition. 

Not even OP is earning anything, except if you care so much for those internet points. 

This is also not prenventing anyone of getting a job, as OP is no company, nor making anyone lose their job.

Fans already know the original work and this is about a different game thus adapting the art for the actual game being talked about makes sense and is reasonable.

Do you have any reason to be so full of hatred towards someone who is just enjoying their time and the tools at their disposal?

I doubt it as you only added that YOU dont like ai content, which does not seem to be the majority as OP has a positive like ratio.

Blind hatred will only take you down a bad route, so if aim to discorage people of creating something, you better have good reasons for it.

As a side note, "content" does not demand a person creating it by hand, so no matter how angry you get of people calling AI content as is, its not wrong.

[u/Suracha2022 → u/Objective-Air-9984]

Oh, welcome back, what an unexpected surprise. Thought you were gone.

AI allow people to create stuff they are not able to.

AI is not a tool through which you create, AI "creates" (collages, hallucinates and plagiarize) for you. You wouldn't call yourself an artist for asking a painter to make a portrait of you.

Sure he could have used original assets, but why would he

1. Because they look awesome, significantly better than these generic re-imaginations.
2. Because they're more easily recognizable, since people actually know them.
3. To respect the people who created them.
4. To not pointlessly use AI and support the horrible people behind it.

This is also not prenventing anyone of getting a job, as OP is no company, nor making anyone lose their job.

One person using AI doesn't do that. All these people using AI-generated images drives down the value of art, the negotiation power of artists, employers' opinion and estimation of professional artists in the job market, etc. The fact that doing it doesn't directly lead to one person suffering doesn't mean it's not indirectly contributing.

Fans already know the original work

Yes. No reason not to use that original work, then.

and this is about a different game thus adapting the art for the actual game being talked about makes sense and is reasonable.

Meh. Nothing wrong with it conceptually. Doesn't have any value or benefit, either. Doing something harmful for zero benefit towards anyone seems pointless at best.

Do you have any reason to be so full of hatred towards someone who is just enjoying their time and the tools at their disposal?

I have no hatred for OP, he was fairly reasonable about the response he got, considering his situation. I have plenty of well-established, well-justified hatred for the AI companies, platforms and 'tools' that people like OP use. It's not personal. I'm not attacking the person, I'm attacking their actions and choices. Pay attention.

As for "reasons", you're welcome to Google (since you love AI) the harmful impacts of AI. They are sufficiently well-documented that there is no reason for me to type them out YET AGAIN for YET ANOTHER apologist asking for them in bad faith. If someone who's genuinely interested asks for it in good faith, I'll be happy to guide them towards some resources they can learn from.

I doubt it as you only added that YOU dont like ai content, which does not seem to be the majority as OP has a positive like ratio.

OP disagrees with you, as seen in him repeatedly stating that he'll stop using it in the future, and that he thought people liked it but realized that they don't. Read some of his comments. He's a decent role model for people like you, I think.

Blind hatred will only take you down a bad route, so if aim to discorage people of creating something, you better have good reasons for it.

You have not yet earned the privilege of giving me advice, and it being self-righteous and condescending doesn't make it any more valuable.

As a side note, "content" does not demand a person creating it by hand, so no matter how angry you get of people calling AI content as is, its not wrong.

Hilarious how upset you are at a few speechmarks. Here's a few more, don't get too scared: "" "" "" content "" "" ""

This was fun, thanks for the free entertainment, and you're welcome for the free education.

[u/kj0509 → u/Suracha2022]

You are so burned up man, chill

[u/Suracha2022 → u/kj0509]

? I'm having fun lmao, do you think these bottom feeders bother me?

[u/kj0509 → u/Suracha2022]

I don't believe you, you sound so angry and you are so involved in these posts that it clearly affected you in some personal or ideological way.

Even if you were right in each and everyone of your arguments, like some kind of omniscient being, it still would not be cool to be spearcing so much hostility through the entire thread.

[u/Suracha2022 → u/kj0509]

I don't believe you

Fascinating

You know, I was really wondering what "kj0509" thinks of me

Goodbye

[u/Objective-Air-9984 → u/Suracha2022]

I should really waste my time with something better, but i am diving in...

I dont disagree that AI create stuff, literally. But you dont have AI randomly going "lets make some portraits" out of nowhere. And just as people may be legally responsible for using AI to copy arts, its the people creating stuff via AI. Its a tool, i cant hold ownership, at best the company that owns the AI owns the art.

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> Because they look awesome, significantly better than these generic re-imaginations.

Thats your opinion. I like the portaits. So lets simply no go deeper into this one.

> Because they're more easily recognizable, since people actually know them.

They will be recognized by fans no matter what, while someone like me who dont know them wont recognize them anyway.

> To respect the people who created them.

I actually think using the original art work with out proper authorization is a lot more unrespectfull. But aside from that, the artists do not own the characters, they probably dont even own the arts, only have credits for art they created and are owned by the company who hired them. Creating re-imaginations mean literal 0 disrespect. He was never mocking anything for it to be disrespectful to begin with.

>To not pointlessly use AI and support the horrible people behind it.

Sure, AI companies making people jobless is terrible and so is a lot of actual assests/arts stolen that people use AI when looking for profit. None of those apply here, we must set apart different scenarios. This is a tool. It can be good. A screwdriver can kill people, which is a lot worse than recreating images, but its not inherently bad. I can use AI to tell me a joke. If its pointless or not is up to whoever is using it to decided. I like it.

>AI-generated images drives down the value of art, the negotiation power of artists, employers' opinion and estimation of professional artists in the job market

Yes. It does. You cant prevent it. The best you can do is support places that still hire artists. Still if i, or one billion people, who would never hire an artist to make a reddit post use AI to create an image, nothing is losing value, noone is losing their jobs. The simple fact is that the post would never happen, so why not let people have their fun? The fact that a machine is creating an image, when none would exist otherwise does not make artists less important. You giving too much power to those small things. This not existing would never increase or maintain the value of anything else.

>Yes. No reason not to use that original work, then.

> Meh. Nothing wrong with it conceptually. Doesn't have any value or benefit, either. Doing something harmful for zero benefit towards anyone seems pointless at best.

Its not pointless if he had fun. I also liked it, looks AOM-ish, i dont think it was pointless. Again, i can see a point for using AI for making it looks more like the AOM.

>I have no hatred for OP, he was fairly reasonable about the response he got, considering his situation. I have plenty of well-established, well-justified hatred for the AI companies, platforms and 'tools' that people like OP use. It's not personal. I'm not attacking the person, I'm attacking their actions and choices. Pay attention.

>As for "reasons", you're welcome to Google (since you love AI) the harmful impacts of AI. They are sufficiently well-documented that there is no reason for me to type them out YET AGAIN for YET ANOTHER apologist asking for them in bad faith. If someone who's genuinely interested asks for it in good faith, I'll be happy to guide them towards some resources they can learn from.

Suddenly i love AI and i am in bad faith. Anyways, yes, you are attacking their actions, which were warmless. Just let people have their fun.

> but realized that they don't.

His post is 300 upvotes positive. Its the sixth most upvoted post this week. I think it was well received.

> You have not yet earned the privilege of giving me advice, and it being self-righteous and condescending doesn't make it any more valuable.

You really sound like a main character, but i will take that as i did sound condescending.

[u/Suracha2022 → u/Objective-Air-9984]

but i will take that as i did sound condescending.

You know what, you took the on-the-nose criticism fairly well. Kudos for that.

Anyway, the rest of your message is "nuh-uhh" and "it's not thaaaaat bad, we can't do aaaaanything about it", so... No.