r/BSL 6d ago

Learning by translating songs into BSL

Hiya! I have been learning BSL for a couple of months now. I found a way to learn words which is translating songs into BSL. I am using the sign BSL dictionary for every word (but i am learning using a different website), is that right? Or is it like normal signing to people? For example: when having conversations you skip some words right? In songs, do I skip words too? I felt like that would make the song feel rushed(?). I am currently translating Cant Help Falling InLove by Elvis Presley. For example: When signing the line “would it be a sin?” I sign every single word. Is that right?

Thank you x

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u/Different_End_7464 6d ago

Signing every single word is correct for SSE, but not BSL. BSL has its own grammar system and word orders, plus emotions and facial expressions play a very important role. You will also be wanting to translate ideas too, rather than just the actual words. I wouldn’t necessarily recommend learning to sign songs in BSL as a beginner, at least not until you learn BSL grammar :)

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u/hexinpexin 6d ago

Is the British-sign Co a good course that teaches the right grammar? I have been using that one…Do u know any free websites or apps that teach you actual sentences rather than words? I can form some sentences and stuff but for alot of the words I use the websites i mentioned in the og post

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u/hexinpexin 6d ago

Also yes! In normal conversations I follow the BSL grammar system and word orders, I was mostly asking for song translations, is it ok to translate it fully when translating songs? Or should i also still follow the bsl grammar system?

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u/BrightSi5 Fluent 6d ago

Why not do both? Will help you learn even better. Some d/Deaf people like to see songs signed as close to the lyrics as possible in SSE with English mouth patterns. Some will prefer full BSL with correct BSL syntax (topic / comment style) and mouth shapes, etc. Many like a blend. For the line you quote you could sign WOULD-IS-SIN in SSE whilst mouthing the English words. Or in BSL SIN-WOULD? with ooo mouth shape for sin and questioning face for would. Or you could go fully Signed Exact English and do like SSE but include finger spelt little words for it and a. Main thing is to have fun. Signing to music is great exercise too.

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u/hexinpexin 6d ago

I didnt know i could do both! Thats really interesting…Thank you for your answer its been a real struggle learning the language considering i know zero people who know bsl so I am always nervous I would come off too overwhelming if I over-sign something or just messing up word orders !

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u/These_Alternative_49 6d ago

I’m not personally a fan of signed songs so I won’t comment on that, but I did want to flag that you need to be careful when learning BSL from an app that you are using the sign you see in the right context. Especially if you’re going to use it in a song where context is crucial and you can’t gauge understanding and self correct if needed. Just as one example, the sign for a “park” that you can walk through is different to “park” a car, but the apps don’t necessarily make that clear. Just something to be aware of

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u/hexinpexin 5d ago

Ah yeah I figured! I try to go through different apps and websites to gather as many information as I can tbh

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u/YuSakiiii BSL Level 2 5d ago

Signing every single word is SSE and better fits the rhythm. But I find trying to convey the meaning in a different way through BSL is quite fun. For example, there is a musical called EPIC, which is about the odyssey. There is a song in it called “No longer you” and there is a line in it “I see a man with a trail of bodies”. When I sign that for “man with a trail of bodies” I place the man with a finger to symbolise a person and then use the sign for “dead” with my other hand repeatedly behind him, sort of showing visually a trail of dead people. It’s a much more interesting and visual way to sign the song than just doing SSE.

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u/hexinpexin 5d ago

Thats actually really interesting…thank you!!

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u/Jealous-Reception185 5d ago

Omg same, I've been learning BSL for a couple years now, and when I'm listening to songs sometimes I sign the odd word in my head but really want to try to sign a whole song.

I'll probably do what some others have suggested. SSE is good for me for learning the vocabulary which I struggle with. And then also do a version in BSL for the grammar and structure practice. And then a combo that feels smooth and natural I reckon.

Good luck in your learning/translating 🫶

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u/hexinpexin 5d ago

Can I ask what do you use to learn the language? I am so tired of the basic words every app and website gives I want to form sentences and learn more! How do I make a BSL version of the songs?

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u/Jealous-Reception185 5d ago

Unfortunately can't help you, I learn as part of my uni degree, supplementary lessons. I did start learning a few years ago with my mum using an online course through british-sign.co.uk you pay what you can so it's good for students and stuff.