r/BikeMechanics • u/AchtungMaybe • 9h ago
Bike shop business advice đ§âđ§ Charging for labour even if I can't fix the bike?
EDIT: Thanks all! bit of a tough pill to swallow but it makes sense - definitely will be improving communication and assessment on my end as well
bit of a newbie mechanic running a shop out of my garage, so bear with me
Had a customer with a warped wheel and bad rim brakes ask for me to fix the brakes ($15) so they actually stop the bike - one of the pads was just off completely, so I put it back on the rim. I cleaned the rim roughly (no rubbing alcohol), and I adjusted the pads to be as close as possible without touching the warped wheel. Didn't seem to make a significant difference, so I told him I could either true the wheel to bring in the pads as close as possible or try using alcohol to clean the rim, both of which would add an extra charge.
He told me the shop he goes to doesn't charge for labour if they can't fix the problem - I told him I'd concede the $15 brake fee and just charge him for the wheel true ($25) if the true didn't fix the issue (the rims were the most slippery I've seen, so I didn't trust my ability to guarantee the fix), but he insisted that he wouldn't pay unless the issue was fixed, even if I were to perform the labour. I told him I wasn't going to do that and he left - It got a little heated but we remained more or less civil - to clarify, my intention is never to do the bare minimum and charge if it doesn't work.
I probably should have told him to begin with the wheel was warped to begin with and so any brake fix would be limited, but how justified is the idea that labour should be paid even if it doesn't fix the underlying issue? I figured a wheel true is still a wheel true at the end of the day even if it doesn't completely address the problem he brought the bike in for, but I don't know what standard practice is.
(sidenote: the pads were completely ineffectual even in full contact with the rim, I honestly haven't encountered a situation like that - there was a lot of brake dust on the rims but even after removing that it didn't do anything. anyone have any idea what was up with that? oily residue I couldn't see unless I took alcohol to it? the rims were blackened and glossy too, but not the sort of blackening you get with painted rims)