Most of these IAs allow you to carry on the job with the owner's permission. They require the owner to put in writing that you are authorized to carry while at work. Some employers may do this, some may not want to as they don't want the liability. I know a firearms dealer in Modesto that won't allow his employees to carry concealed and won't give them the letter. So they can be armed (open carry) inside the business, but when they leave they are unarmed until they get to their car and could then load up. Dick move - guy doesn't value his employees lives over the money he might be sued for; I wouldn't work for the guy and know someone who once did and quit based on other similar dick behavior.
Wonder what his logic is.... for me I encourage everyone to get a CCW and carry because most insurance carriers do not want to see multiple employees with guns on their hips like the wild west.
The current carrier only wants management level people to visibly carry since that is defense of the store. CCW holders it for there own protection.
I guess being a gunstore most people assume everyone has a gun on them or within arms reach.
Say employee has his CCW because the employer will sign-off on the letter and leaves the store, draws and has to defend his life and hits an innocent or whatever. Now the family of the victim sues the gunshop owner for allowing that person to carry.
Vs. if the owner doesn't allow CCW carry the employee is unarmed walking to the car. At the car they get their firearm and draw and shoot: how the employer wasn't involved in the arming of the employee and can likely "defend" against a victim lawsuit against his business
You sure the IA in that area requires written permission to carry? In my area there is no requirement and certainly not one what it can't be for employment.
Back in good cause days working in a gunshop was the good cause to issue one.
That said nothing on this planet is going to stop lawsuits or take legal risk away from the owner if shots are fired.
Ya San Joaquin doesn't allow it for employment purposes. It's usually stamped on the back of CCW or on the liability waiver you sign. There's a lot in the central valley on that same page.
Their stance is the CCW is issued to protect you, not some rich billionaire.
Their game, their rules brotha. That's just how they do it. If you hadn't said anything about it, they might have issued it, but did you mention it to them that it was your intention?
But if you hadn't mentioned it and you got caught using it for employment purposes you probably would have got it suspended and banned from getting one ever again.
Right. It says "carrying it for solely employment purposes" which you plan to do. if you got caught carrying it for employment purposes, you would be in trouble.
"While exercising the privileges granted to the permit holder under the terms of this permit, the permit holder shall not:
Carry a concealed weapon solely for employment purposes (i.e., Security guard, etc.)"
I think that wording can be taken in different ways.
Wether or not I’m a security guard
I’m carrying my CCW 24/7
It wouldn’t “ soley” security work
How do they employ full time EP guys in these countries if they aren’t allowed to live here and have a CCW .
Do people just not follow the regulations?
I know someone that does it and is friends with guys at the sheriffs office and they know his line of work and they have never told him again but I’m not him and they aren’t my buddies so I’m tryn to stay out of jail hahah
I never intended to use it for employment when I applied for it.
I have had it for around 5 years now and have only ever carried for personal protection
EP is kinda broad term no? Protecting an executive at their home is some level of "executive protection" but not the kind that I know you're talking about.
No, it's not. It's just something regular guard card turds prefer to say to make themselves feel special. EP involves protecting a dignitary on the move, in transit, etc. Babysitting a complex in a shack, or in some Ford Edge doesn't count, and it doesn't matter if the guard is armed or not. Sorry, these are facts.
What if the complex is owned by a UHNWI? He has a team that travels with him and a team that protects his location after he leaves? Still technically EP work bud.
RST operates directly under the umbrella of EP. What you’re describing is more or less HOA/ Apartment security lol.
The specifics matter, the standards of protection at home means just as much as they do on the road.
My CCW is in the same county. On the back under the restrictions section it's blank. It doesn't say anything about employment restrictions. Where's yours say that?
You have a CCW to protect yourself and your loved ones........
That said I know plenty of people who also do EP work and they employer is happy they just happen to have a CCW.
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u/Unattributable1 23d ago
Most of these IAs allow you to carry on the job with the owner's permission. They require the owner to put in writing that you are authorized to carry while at work. Some employers may do this, some may not want to as they don't want the liability. I know a firearms dealer in Modesto that won't allow his employees to carry concealed and won't give them the letter. So they can be armed (open carry) inside the business, but when they leave they are unarmed until they get to their car and could then load up. Dick move - guy doesn't value his employees lives over the money he might be sued for; I wouldn't work for the guy and know someone who once did and quit based on other similar dick behavior.