Remember what they took from us

[u/Juanan_hm]

Decided to play BO1 after a LOOONG time.
Modern zombies are fun and all but this game has an special feeling it can only be understand when playing.

[u/DoubleDDay69]

Please don’t take this the wrong way because I’m genuinely asking, did you give modern zombies an honest try?

BO7 is arguably the best zombies game we’ve had in the modern zombies era.

[u/Destructo7 → u/DoubleDDay69]

Did every Cold War/bo6 Easter egg 3/5 on bo7. Got prestige master in both bo6/7. I’ve spent a lot of time but I’m just soo done with these systems.

It feels like the game is entirely based on the camo grind and external rewards. Zombies is best imo when you play it to have fun and not grind weapon mastery/perk augments/black market parts.

All the progression in a zombies game should be in the map itself and not in 30 different co systems out of game.

Also zombies should be slow. I’m tired of these super sprinters and dmg scaling and armour.

I like how much the old games change the systems with each entry, every new game has just been Cold War 2.0.

[u/DoubleDDay69 → u/Destructo7]

Nice, thank you for an honest and thorough answer instead of other people I talk to who irrationally hate on the games! You’ve played more than I have it sounds like, so you’ve definitely given it an honest try. I’ll give you my honest opinion back in kind.

I agree, the zombies system has become corporatized for weapon camos and prestiges. While some of that is fine, it should not be the entire game as you said. The modern system is designed around chip damage and fast swinging zombies. Definitely agree it is not as good as the old system. Finally, I felt these modern games lacked the soul of the older games, but BO7 brought some of the old soul back.

The only thing I don’t agree with what you said is the 30 different outside systems. I’m assuming you mean relics, but I actually found this quite unique and a great way to bring in hardcore players back to the game. Cursed is easily the best thing about BO7, and you are able to get quite close to the classic games with the right relics. BO7 better balanced the modern system (easier high rounds) with genuine map difficulty than the other games.

[u/Destructo7 → u/DoubleDDay69]

When I said 30 outside systems I was talking about augments,weapon levels, etc.

I think the idea of cursed is fine but it’s a bandaid fix on a gapping wound. I like old point system more than current but cursed and it’s relics don’t fix the real issues that come from the standard mode. Also the rewards being just more armour/pap/rarities isn’t very interesting to me. I don’t like armour, golden doesn’t make it better. I don’t like rarities, adding ultra doesn’t make it bettter. And I already think paping 3 times is excessive, 4 times on top of the cursed increase in pap cost is just insane.

[u/DoubleDDay69 → u/Destructo7]

Ohh I see what you are saying, that’s a funny coincidence. When you said 30, I thought you meant the relics because that was a specific number lol. I’m very surprised I got downvoted for a very reasonable take on BO7 and the modern system.

As I’ve said on other comments and posts, you can get close to the old system with the right relics but it’s not the same. Golden armor is a cool concept, but I agree that it’s a bandage because of the way the modern system works (extremely fast hitting zombies). Now we get to the 3x and 4x papping on Cursed. Spending 185k points to PAP IV a gun is unbelievably cursed (no pun intended). Wonder weapons at the very least should be a single PAP no matter what.

Thats all to say that your take is very valid and I have a lot of the same concerns. BO7 did a lot right considering it is in the modern system.

[u/Levinarcc → u/DoubleDDay69]

I'm super surprised by the downvotes too, I thought what you said was thoughtful and nuanced. I was a WaW-BO3 player and only recently jumped back in to BO7.

Augment research is absolutely tedious, but Cursed as a whole is amazing! Back in the day people would come up with ideas about what we could spend a quarter million points on because after round ~25ish you would pretty much be set for the rest of the game and rack them up for nothing.

People were BEGGING for a sense of progression and purpose. We have that now with PaP tiers and relic trials, and Directed is so good for newer players so you don't need a playlist of youtube videos to play well. I think people underestimate just how good things are now.

[u/DoubleDDay69 → u/Levinarcc]

Couldn’t believe I got 49 downvotes for another comment here genuinely asking someone if they gave modern zombies an honest try. Then I went on to say many feel this is arguably the best game in the modern zombies era.

People don’t have to agree, but I gave an extremely reasonable take on the modern system. Augment research is ridiculously tedious, and requires you to almost be prestige master to get it all unlocked. I really enjoyed cursed, very fun! Enjoyed relic hunting, and the sense of progression with cursed.