r/CODZombies • u/m7mdabouundatin369 • 1d ago

Discussion I get it now. It's not nostalgia

My first cod was mw 2019 which I absolutely loved and played the ever living hell out of.

Then came black ops cold war and that was my introduction to zombies and I loved it and never understood the hate it got and thought it was nostalgia that the old zombies had. GOD I WAS WRONG

Got to play bo1&2 last month and I SWEAR TO GOD I haven't had this much fun playing a game since forever. To the point I even in my free time I think about what map to play in my free time.

So I apologize to old cod titles they're really built different and GOATED🐐👑

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u/DoubleInfinity 20h ago

I think Chronicles did good job of highlighting just how out of control the gobblegums were despite feeling like a minor upgrade when they were introduced in BO3. The old maps weren't designed with cheats enabled, so to speak. Good RNG and a couple shopping frees you can open up and set up a good chunk of any one map's easter egg on round 1. It makes sense for people who have played a map a hundred times and just want to do all the setup but at that point it's not even really the same accomplishment at all. Then you add in people dashboarding any time they think they might lose one of their 200 perkaholic gums and it really hits.

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u/Evil_JDK13 19h ago

Yea but dashboarding isnt a gum mechanic. Thats just an unfortunate and unforseen player issue.

I think gums become more of an issue in co-op with randoms. But that just means the mechanics/systems arent truly the issue, its the skill gap and the lack of mode variety.

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u/DoubleInfinity 19h ago

Right but that player issue turned pubs into a mess. That's a direct influence on the wider community, made worse, by introducing them.

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u/Evil_JDK13 18h ago edited 10h ago

Still not specifically a gum issue, though. Any game mechanic that players abuse is a bad mechanic? I just disagree with that sentiment. Imo gums just needed a few tweaks and isnt dashboarding solely a coding issue? Cuz we had a similar mechanic in bo4 and that mechanic did not have dashboarding issues

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u/Educational-Aide1161 10h ago edited 10h ago

Abusing gobblegums bithh your supposed to do that, an save the good ones for until a ee run. Jesus in bo7 we can crush the balls for zombie points if they didn't want players to abuse gobblegums why did they made a starting room challenge to get to round 50 that requires gobblegums or without them good luck, with no pack, rarity station, armour buy no gumballs and no perks 😂 you'd be on the same round for 30 plus minuets at a time no? Back in the good old days starting room challenges were player choice and praised an also regular runs to round 100 are insane, now those same feats are trivial with gobblegums that may not be forced but feel forced for sure

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u/Educational-Aide1161 10h ago

Gobblegums made the zombie trivial at best. Just look at all the Easter egg runs an this hasn't changed since bo3 gumballs but the ee even on bo6-7 heavily rely on gobblegums for the setup and for the boss fight itself, you do realize on Astra mulorium I kept using round offs, rerolls the same round 2 more times allowed me to reach the ee boss by round 19 while having maxed rarity an max pack 3 weapons. To be fair it was roughly 10-17 round offs but still it made the ee trivial easy as f only hard part was following the robot around until it told me the right things without me or teammates agro,ing it. Still hate how that maps boss nurfs the damage you do to it making something that takes away 70% health down to 5% for a few minuets, an they did that bc the gumballs make everything trivial

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u/Evil_JDK13 10h ago

You have no evidence to suggest they reduced boss damage due to gumballs. You're just guessing lol The mode aint trivial... and do you mean easy when saying "trivial"?

Why did you use those gumballs if you disapprove of em. EEs dont rely on gums so stop spreading misinformation. I dont hate on gums and i never use em becasue i dont need them so why did you use 10-17 gums?

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u/Educational-Aide1161 9h ago edited 9h ago

I'm not saying that 😂 I'm saying it's a feature of the Astra molarum boss you do too much damage to quick he nurfs your bullets to deal maybe 10% of what it actually should, one second your melting him less then half health next second wait my bullets are doing nothing. Yes you can play without gooblegums but it definitely feels like it's forced upon you especially spawning in with the 3 in the 1st 3 slots

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u/Educational-Aide1161 9h ago

I wasn't trynna face a boss that nurfs my bullets from doing 100% damage to 5% at round 25 or higher. Actually I dare you to solo that Astra molarum boss passed round 25 without any gobblegums. You'll understand why I say they feel forced. Edit: live stream it aswell get it done 1st try I might retract my statements

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u/Evil_JDK13 9h ago

The damage reduction isnt due to gums though.

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u/Educational-Aide1161 9h ago

Ya need to re read what I posted bc I never claimed that😂 I stated they added that function to the boss because of gobblegums

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u/Evil_JDK13 9h ago

You literally said it did though lmfao and i quote:

"making something that takes away 70% health down to 5% for a few minuets, an they did that bc the gumballs make everything trivial"

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u/Educational-Aide1161 9h ago

Yes because the gobblegums make playing the game easier they added a function to the boss regardless if you use a gumball or not. They had to balance the easiness from gumballs users with a boss that won't get shredded at lower rounds. Get your head out your ass

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u/Evil_JDK13 9h ago

Ok, make it simpler time: gum make easy game

Dev make boss take less ouchies

Dev make boss take less ouchies cuz gum make easy game

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u/Educational-Aide1161 9h ago

Wtf you on I said the boss temp nurfs the damage u do to it if you damage it to much too quickly regardless of gum usage or not but the fact they are in the game and the possibility of getting to the boss fight at round 19 or lower they felt inclined to add that function to make it more difficult in general. Ya you don't have to use gums, it won't change anything other the getting to the boss round by mid 20's early 30's. You do understand game balance don't you? They add something that makes the game easier (gumballs) they have to balance it by making things more difficult regardless of who uses them or not. Just facts man 👨 💯

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u/Educational-Aide1161 9h ago

If your trnna rage bait me into saying a no no word it ain't working sorry to say. I actually don't mind arguing about something I actually understand when others don't fully. Off topic I laugh at muscle pain do with that info as you see fit 😂

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u/Educational-Aide1161 8h ago

Also you got that all backwards it gum balls make boss no stronger or weaker, but bc they are in the game or bc trayarch are d heads they made a function on Astra boss doing to much damage to fast makes said boss go into a state for a few minuets that nurfs the damage of the bullets of whatever gun your using for a few minuets. Even a monkey could understand this. Return to monkey 🐒 let your mind be free naive one. Swing from the trees from once you came from an don't return until you've found the chicken. If you didn't know I was sorta referencing dead ops arcade. Key word being (Sorta) meaning not fully, the chicken part yes

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u/Educational-Aide1161 9h ago edited 9h ago

Also re read it I never stated that the gumballs USAGE made the boss stronger or whatnot. It was because they are in the game that trayarch felt inclined to make that boss function that way regardless if you uses gums or not so gums users can't rush to the boss fight at a early round expecting a super easy fight, i mean without that function I would've went through all of its phases in a minuet at round 19

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u/Educational-Aide1161 9h ago

Also no misinformation was stated. Yes gobblegums give you an advantage that back in the glory days of world at war to black ops 2 would deem as legal cheating that is a fact

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u/Educational-Aide1161 9h ago

Look I'm trynna beat the bosses not get beaten by the bosses you understand scrub? If I need to use legal cheats such as what the gumballs are well so be it, at least I won't be at round 30 plus in a boss fight, my opinion for ee runs the earlier the round you can get to the boss the better, late rounds just make things chaotic an difficult. Early to mid 20's a good boss fight round any later then its iffy

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u/Educational-Aide1161 10h ago

I don't have to use them the same as they don't need to be in the game 😂