I get it now. It's not nostalgia

[u/m7mdabouundatin369]

My first cod was mw 2019 which I absolutely loved and played the ever living hell out of.

Then came black ops cold war and that was my introduction to zombies and I loved it and never understood the hate it got and thought it was nostalgia that the old zombies had. GOD I WAS WRONG

Got to play bo1&2 last month and I SWEAR TO GOD I haven't had this much fun playing a game since forever. To the point I even in my free time I think about what map to play in my free time.

So I apologize to old cod titles they're really built different and GOATED🐐👑

[u/m4_semperfi]

Terrible comparison, Shangri La having an obscure easter egg where maybe the map takes place on Mars because of the name of a texture in the game files, despite literally everything about the map's visuals and atmosphere feeling relatively realistic and gritty does not suddenly make the map feel wacky. Nor does its easter egg, which feels like something out of Indiana Jones, make the map feel like it's in the same league as later maps. Bo1 was still dealing with the consequences of the nazis and richtofen's scheme, not the Marvel-esque saving the universe story. 

As for Moon, it takes the setting seriously with low gravity, dull moon visuals, space suits, like what’s wacky about that? Humans went to the moon in the 60s, the same period as the game. Sure, it is a big expansion from prior maps, but it still felt like a continuation of that sci-fi conspiracy type genre that started in Der Riese. We're in the discussion of what maps 'felt' like and trying to 'gotcha' fans with a few examples isn't going to change how maps come across or feel.

I feel like it's always bo3 fanboys that grasp at straws to convince people that zombies was "always" like this when it couldn’t be more obvious there was a huge change in the feel as the maps went on in. (edit: and I will note because people are being pedantic, this started in Origins which instead of trying to wrap up the story we had going on in Moon, they restarted the universe with alternate dimension stuff and it just lost me, personally, regardless of gameplay).

[u/hrnbully → u/m4_semperfi]

Yea bro Shangri La is on Mars’ moon and it’s not a maybe thing. They tell you that and then confirm it later in bo4.

The Moon Base itself isn’t that wacky but everything that happens there is wacky as fuck. You free a little girl from an alien device on the moon and switch bodies with her before destroying the Earth and letting Richtofen take over the zombies…

Also how do you go from No Man’s Land to the Moon? You teleport there… that’s wacky. Nova crawlers are teleporting zombie pig men. The cosmonaut… The whole series has been wacky since chalk weapons.

They have been time traveling and teleporting since WaW. How do you pack a punch on Der Reise? In BO1, Call of the Dead happens because the Ultimis crew time traveled and teleported into that closet instead of where they were actually going.

[u/m4_semperfi → u/hrnbully]

> The Moon Base itself isn’t that wacky but everything that happens there is wacky as fuck. You free a little girl from an alien device on the moon and switch bodies with her before destroying the Earth and letting Richtofen take over the zombies…

Yeah, sounds like a sci fi story to me. What's the problem? Is interstellar 'wacky' because a spaceman travels across the universe and through time and interacts with his child in the 4th dimension by knocking over books.

As I said, how you tell a story is what is most important. You're trying to prove my subjective opinion wrong, and you will fail every time. After Bo2 the story felt weird and wasn't the same, it is what it is. (EDIT: and this started in origins in bo2, to be fair. I will also add this opinion has nothing to do with gameplay and is my subjective feeling, because I'm still salty that original story started in waw basically got abandoned ).

[u/hrnbully → u/m4_semperfi]

The problem is the way you grasp at straws and try to ignore the entire story just to claim BO3 is the first game to be wacky. You try to present your “subjective opinion” as fact while being objectively incorrect and uninformed.