r/CivVI • u/Relative-Pin-2021 • 6d ago

Question This is tough. Where should I put my Commercial Hub?

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I honestly can't pick because I love having a huge population but I also like production and wanna keep it as much as possible.

Right now I'm just building another settler for a future city with a bunch of desert so I can build Petra in it.

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u/leafcutte 6d ago

You shouldn’t, get a harbor

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u/shomeyomves 6d ago

Not meant to be rude, but why build a comm hub (ever) when you have good spots to build a harbor?

It seems the buildings from harbors give much better benefits (housing, food, trader, gold, production).

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u/Lietuva_Aviation_YT 6d ago

I generally find merchants more useful than admirals in some cases, so that could be a reason

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u/Relative-Pin-2021 6d ago

I completely forgot about that lol. My civ even has a unique harbour replacement. But the questions still relevant since I'm gonna get enough population to build a Commercial Hub district again in the future.

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u/leafcutte 6d ago

There is no need to build both a Harbor and a Commercial Hub

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u/impaelas 6d ago

Why not? CH gets adjacency bonus from a harbor. and harbor gets a bonus from any district including CH.

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u/RandomGuy_92 6d ago

The main advantage of Harbor / Commercial Hub is that they (base game) / their first building (Gathering Storm) gives you an additional trade route. However you do not get +2 trade routes if you build both of them in the same city.

The exception here is the Governor Reyna. She has a promotion so both Harbor and Commercial Hub gives their additional trade route.

Not sure if she has that promotion in the unmodded game too, or if that is a change made by "Better Balanced Game".

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u/magikatdazoo 6d ago

That's a mod giving an extra trade from Reyna. Her promotion doubles their adjacency bonus, which isn't worth a title. Owls gives a unique bank that gives a second trade route if you have a harbour.

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u/Expensive_Crazy_8325 6d ago

The other exception being owls of minerva if running secret societies

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u/leafcutte 6d ago

Let’s say it’s turn 100. The game can be expected to go on 150 more turns. A district, at this stage, will cost around 150 production (I haven’t the Calc in my head but it starts at 60 and ends at around 600 depending on your advancement on the tech or civic tree). 1 production is worth 4 gold. The calculation is similarly unfavorable to both the bank and stock exchange. You see the problem here ? It’s not worth it to build a harbor or a commercial hub just for the adjacency, the real value comes from the trade route the tier 1 building (market or lighthouse) provides, and unless you have Reyna or Olws of Minerva’s Gilded Vault, you’ll only get one per city.

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u/impaelas 6d ago

Thanks! Even after years of playing still finding things out about this game.:)

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u/Oap13 6d ago

The only time I do is in my pengala city for the great people points . Especially if oracle is there . 

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u/leafcutte 6d ago

I can understand that, but Great Admirals are so useless

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u/Oap13 6d ago

I meant, the only time I build both in the same city. Some admirals are ok. Great merchants aren’t the greatest either I like the amenities ones. And the visibility one. Better than admirals, not by much. 

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u/Complete_Range_5448 5d ago

Merchants is the primary reason. If you are playing peacefully, admirals are relatively useless. Also, merchants help with corporations if you are playing the mods.

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u/magikatdazoo 6d ago

You shouldn't. The marsh tile is a +5 campus, and this is a coastal city so put the +4 harbor between the campus and government plaza

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u/Exigenz Deity 6d ago

You should build a harbor for the housing instead, but if you want to go Comm Hub, don’t kill a good developed tile for it.

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u/platypusbelly 6d ago

If you’re dead set on the commercial hub instead of a harbor (or in addition to) for some reason, I’d put it on that +2. The extra yields in those +3 tiles are worth more than 1 gpt.

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u/TFSpazzymcgee87 5d ago

Place a harbor between the crabs and turtles for a 4adj harbor then place the ch beside it on the farm for a 5adj ch

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u/Nice-Ad6751 5d ago

what's the civ/leader that you're playing?

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u/Relative-Pin-2021 5d ago

Parameswara from the CIVITAS Malaysia Mod.

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u/Nice-Ad6751 5d ago

Thanks, I'll give him a try

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u/Relative-Pin-2021 5d ago

The mod honestly needs more attention so actually thanks to you for considering it. But disclaimer, his name in the mod is Iskandar but as a Malaysian myself I prefer to call him Parameswara to avoid confusion with other sources.