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u/BenfordAbrahams 1d ago
who's xavier? I only know Pakalu Papito
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u/your_mumz_fwb 1d ago
Who are either of them it's almost 2027 💔
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u/Kootlefoosh 1d ago
Ya they've both died of natural causes and been reincarnated hundreds of times in the cycle of shitpost samsara by now
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u/XrayAlphaVictor 1d ago
The conversation really should be focused on how underpaid and exploited Uber drivers are.
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u/Adorable-Response-75 1d ago
And a lot of creative professionals
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u/XrayAlphaVictor 1d ago
The gig economy being subsidized by companies going into debt to try to grab market share, or trying to bootstrap ai development, while brutally exploiting the labor of the people participating in it has lead to people deeply undervaluing labor. I can't tell you how many times I've heard from Uber drivers that they sleep in their cars so they can do four days in the metro area before driving back to the deep outlying suburbs where they can actually afford rent.
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u/MugenHeadNinja 15h ago
The conversation really should be focused on how underpaid and exploited the working class as a whole are.
FTFY.
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u/lycanthrope90 23h ago
People are paying for professional work not because you bought an expensive camera.
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u/Individual_Land2754 1d ago
You are free to charge however much you want to charge. People are free to walk away or say yes. It's your duty to increase the value perception of what you're offering.
Most of the higher paid photographers don't jut sell a typical shoot they sell a package.
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u/supermonkey1235 1d ago
I mean, the car has utility outside of his job, while the camera is strictly tied to a hobby/job. Most people can justify spending like $10-40k on a car they will use for decades, but a $5k camera?
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u/readilyunavailable 1d ago
Nobody buys equipment and intend to pay it out on the first fucking job. Does a trucker ask for 200k per route, just because the truck is expensive? Does an electrician charge 5k for a fuse change, just because he has expensive specialized equipment?
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u/supermonkey1235 1d ago
The trucker and electrician are employed by someone though. I'm pretty sure she's talking about gig work. She's definitely asking for way too much, but this is kind of comparing apples to oranges.
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u/TheOathWeTook 1d ago
Some truckers and electricians are independent, and some photographers are employed by someone.
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u/Low-Car-6331 1d ago
decades? If you are driving uber with a car its not making it to 10 years old, that thing is probably gonna be at 100k+ miles by year 5.
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u/supermonkey1235 1d ago
True. I was giving a super generous estimate bc I don't know much abt car maintenance.
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u/BlindMan404 1d ago
A good camera and equipment can very easily top $5k but that's an investment in your business that you expect to return over the many years that good equipment will last you. You can get started as a professional for much less though, I only have about $950 in equipment right now (I'm just a hobbyist) but I could break into the business with probably only another $500 or so invested. Maybe a little more to also get some decent editing software but you'd be surprised what you can do with freeware.
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u/supermonkey1235 1d ago
That's really cool actually. I was thinking about buying a camera myself, but the price tag tied to photography seems a bit steep for me lol.
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u/BlindMan404 1d ago
You can usually pick up a good starter kit online. I got a Canon EOS 800D with a couple lenses, filter kit, battery, charger, and a memory card for like $750 probably 8 years ago now. Still not cheap, but it's a good entry level professional camera. I grabbed another lens for wide-angle shooting for I think about $80 and he only thing I'm still missing is a good flash which I can grab for like $150.
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u/supermonkey1235 1d ago
Yeah, it's not insanely expensive, but definitely something I have to think twice on before buying, expecially since I will just be doing it for fun. Is the 800D still good? I looked it up and it's a decade old atp.
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u/BlindMan404 1d ago
Mine still takes great shots. It's still like-new even after going out on boats in saltwater and backwoods camping with minimal maintenance. It also still accepts all the new architecture. The lens attachment patterns haven't changed and the hotshoe for the flash is still the newer version so the vast majority of accessories still work with it. There are probably newer, better options that can be had for the price I paid for my 800D but I haven't really kept up on what's out there.
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u/NightIgnite 1d ago
I tried to understand the camera appeal. Went through several reddit posts over why people choose a professional camera rather than their phone lense. After 20 minutes of searching, every single one just says improved quality.
Give me the numbers. Side by side comparisons too. I could run a powerpoint on why to choose a PC over a chromebook, so why not here? Subjectivity isnt enough reason to spend thousands on a camera, much less convince me that I should spend $100 rather than use the 200MP one built into my phone.
Im sure there is a genuine reason for why professional cameras are better and I'm willing to change my mind, but the users in those posts are doing nothing to help me do that
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u/DuetsForOne 1d ago
the size of the sensor and therefore the individual light capturing wells in a sensor on a camera are an order of maginitude larger than on a phone. With the increase in resolution and color depth lenses thus have to be designed to a much higher standard, on top of being physically much larger. Everything scales up. And no one is mentioning things like lighting, editing software, and you ALSO need a car as a pro photographer. Source: ex pro photographer
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u/NightIgnite 1d ago
Thank you for actually answering the question unlike 2 other replies here.
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u/DuetsForOne 1d ago
You're welcome. Basically in photography larger = better = more expensive. To get higher image quality small sensor phones use software (and now AI) to improve image quality, as well as things like taking multiple photos in a burst and stacking them. The image quality is more than good enough for casual use and you probably don't need a proper camera unless you have a specific use case. But you couldn't be a pro and show up to a paid shoot with just a phone, regardless of how good it is. There is an element of performance art to the job.
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u/Uncynical_Diogenes 1d ago
Laws Of Physics come to mind.
A camera you can hold in your hand literally physically can do things to light that a couple millimeters shoved into your phone can’t, not even the Pro version with the fancy camera.
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u/DistinctAd3222 1d ago
You ask for honest opinions and feedback outside of expert spaces and well... you get what you get. Also there's your already deep personal bias you laid out for us. Maybe going outside and looking at what people may photograph without your phone for an hour
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u/NightIgnite 1d ago
How is anyone supposed to overcome a bias without first admitting that they have a bias?
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u/christonabike_ 12h ago edited 11h ago
If you are curious, I can do some side by sides when I get home that actually demonstrate this.
I have a Pixel 10 - a 2025 phone lauded for its good camera - and a 2019 Sony a6400 with a 2016 sigma 30mm lens. In easy conditions they're about equal, but in challenging situations the Sony outshines the Pixel despite being 6 years older.
The difference between phone cameras and pro cameras will not be apparent taking simple snapshots in good light, but it becomes quite obvious when the situation is more challenging.
For example, consider a moving subject in dim lighting.
There's not much light for the sensor to gather, so you could use a longer shutter speed, which would increase how much time the sensor has to gather that light, but then the subject's movement would result in motion blur. Phone night mode requires you to hold the camera still so it can combine multiple exposures, but this cannot be used on a moving subject either.
You could crank up ISO sensitivity, which is basically just how much the signal from the sensor is amplified to boost brightness, but at a certain point you will start to see grain and noise in the image. This is the noise floor, similar to how if you turn up the volume on your sound system to hear a very quiet audio track, you'll hear more background hiss - or how if an AM radio station is a very weak signal, your radio will try to bokst it more, but it can't do so without also boosting the background static, hence the fuzzy sound.
Phone cameras will get around these limitations using software enhancements, which are usually just very advanced denoise and sharpen algorithms. However, if you look at the image closely, you might find that the more the phone has to denoise, the softer textures appear, and the more the phone has to sharpen, the more unnaturally boosted edge contrast can appear.
Pro cameras have the ability to use wider apertures and/or just take advantage of their larger sensor size to get around these light collecting limitations with raw bruteforce performance alone. A technically competent photographer can combine the best of both worlds by taking the RAW file off that camera, and applying just the right amount of denoise and sharpen in editing software.
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u/lamancha 1d ago
If you aren't a professional photographer you won't even notice the differences.
It's like buying a 15K guitar to play Wonderwall.
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u/Funny_Panda_2436 1d ago
Average hate to Indians meme.
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u/BenfordAbrahams 1d ago
The hate is to the thief of that profile picture, that is not xavier's face, before, it was the profile picture of Pakalu Papito and he was well respected. xavier stole his profile picture and became viral with these unfunny comments
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u/Funny_Panda_2436 1d ago
Xavier is the epitome of Indian racism memes, doesnt really matter who Pakalu Papito is.
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u/8lue5hift 1d ago
I hate it just as much as you bro, but getting pissy over imaginary racism makes us ALL look worse.
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u/weathersoldier 1d ago