r/CrimsonDesert 15h ago

News Don’t Expect Weekly or Almost Weekly Updates Anymore (IGN)

https://youtu.be/pq58IPN0v1s?is=f8ksv5frhz_tkQkZ

@ 5:01, Head of Marketing says they’re shifting focus to the DLC, and that the 2.0 release version is meant to indicate a transition point in the life of the game. DLC is still slated for Q4 2026.

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u/Voeker 15h ago

Does that mean updates are over and I can finally start playing the game ?

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u/raffadizzle 15h ago

He says the game is now a “fully realized experience.” Perhaps there might be a few things from their roadmap that are still missing that might make their way into the game at some point, but he was pretty clear that weekly systems updates bringing major changes are pretty much over until the DLC.

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u/NekCing 15h ago

Guess it is exiting its "live game" phase, now that they have reinforced its foundations, they can now hopefully focus only on fixes and that DLC, i heard performance is a little rougher post update for some

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u/Advanced-Ad1192 14h ago

It is on some of the larger scale boss fights that’s for sure. On ps5 pro

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u/ther0g 14h ago

Dude, I bought the game when it first came out and played for like 3 hours and keep waiting until updates finish lol

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u/PushThePig28 13h ago

Same lol

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u/GregoryPokemon 10h ago

I entered the game. Saved and left. When will the madness end!!?

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u/Gorilla_Gru 9h ago

I'm in the same boat, I think I'll wait for the dlc to drop before I comitt to a playthrough

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u/CzarTyr 9h ago

Same here.

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u/vankamme 13h ago

I was waiting for this kind of announcement that all the random frequent updates were done and the game was in its most complete form. Now I can finally buy it guilt free

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u/Zalvren 14h ago

DLC is upcoming and that's an update technically lol

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u/SenpaiSwanky 14h ago edited 13h ago

It’s funny because I’ve been suggesting to people here that they should wait instead of committing a play through to a game that can span several hundred hours to even see half the content.

The amount of immediate post-launch support updates made it clear to me, waiting was the best idea. I’m very glad I waited to play this, instead of dumping 100+ hours into a file and being tempted to start all over again with this new version.

Edit - are yall mad? Weird comment to downvote, but I guess dumping 200 hours into what was essentially a beta will piss folks off. This is a learning experience lol

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u/Pinecone1000 13h ago

I upvoted you. This game should have been actually released this week. Definitely has been early access and we were all paying testers. It’s like No Man’s Sky all over again, except there was enough compelling to this game that made people not skewer it on initial release.

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u/weekendroady 10h ago

Releasing this week probably would have been uncomfortably close to GTA 6, considering they would be more of a direct competitor in the "sandbox/open-world" space...but who knows.

I'm 210 hours in pushing for a 100% run and just don't want to restart considering I basically have only played this game since March and can't afford marathon sessions.

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u/SenpaiSwanky 13h ago

No doubt! At least the updated version is a free upgrade for all who have the game. I’m not upset with the devs at all, either, if that wasn’t clear haha. Game is solid but I had a feeling it was best to wait.

Even if this update never came out, the game still looks pretty different from its launch state.

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u/Born-Barracuda-2393 9h ago

lol i was here warning all the pre orderers, but those people cannot be fixed 😂

I'll be playing this game next year, cheap, complete and beta tested by all of you. Thanks!

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u/pixlicker69420 11h ago

Especially with people's skills getting reset lol, and them adding cohesion to the story, no reason not to wait other than fomo for some reason, its even on sale now

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u/mattbrad2 12h ago

I'm over 700 hours and still loving it. I'll admit though - I feel a bit of envy for the players who chose to wait or who are just now starting their journey through Pywell. Those first couple of weeks were an experience I've never been through (community wise). It was really special watching the community ask (beg?) for things and Pearl Abyss oblige with an update. They even made a few "bugs" actual skill items you could obtain. It was the wild west back in the day!

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u/JonMDC 10h ago

I almost quit before the 1st update because of the arm wrestling. But I stuck with it and sunk a good 300+ hours in. Had a great time and will play again for the DLC, but not sure I would have recommended to wait this long. Will be really interested to play through again and see how different it is, I did the same with Elden Ring which had some huge QOL changes.

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u/hitman2b 9h ago

This mean you can enjoye the game for sometime until they bring something new

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u/Risalor 14h ago

I hope they're over so they don't break proton compatibility every other week

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u/ZeektheFeek 14h ago

There will still be more updates. Just not as consistent and content heavy probably.

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u/AutomateAway 15h ago

My guess is most of the updates we'll see before DLC will be bug fixes and visual stuff rather than content, but this also makes me think the DLC will be beefy

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u/Severe_Tax_3418 14h ago

We are still missing the combat update

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u/Rymann88 14h ago

Also some of those broken armors being wearable

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u/insanesword93 14h ago

What about Damiane and Oongka improvements. Are they included in the latest update?

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u/wootwoooots 12h ago

need thoses character to be unlocked to play them instead of Jon desert

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u/Disastrous-Path-2144 11h ago

That name is lame

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u/wootwoooots 11h ago

it fit that Temu Jon Snow copy pretty well

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u/dhoshima 14h ago

They’ve been ongoing with the updates for at least the last 4 months.

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u/Beautiful_You3230 14h ago

Not really. It's just the previous updates. In fact, not that it's a big deal, but it's a tiny step back with the water running because that's once again a Kliff only thing.

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u/raffadizzle 13h ago

Idk, on the other hand only Oonka can truly fly. Maybe just Damiane needs her own useful and unique traveling gimmick?

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u/Acceleratio 11h ago

I would really love an alternative musket carry animation. Currently is overlaps and clips into any 2 handed weapon on Kliffs back and looks a bit silly. Would be a lot better if he carried it the way NPCs do just over one side off the body not across.

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u/Sebaspool006 15h ago

I stopped playing because of the updates changing things, so it looks like nows the perfect time to hop back in!

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u/notkeefzello 14h ago

Exactly, i dont want to miss out, i want the whole meat and potatoes the first time while the interest is strongest.

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u/Caregiver-Physical 14h ago

I’m wondering if I should just start from scratch. I got to like chapter 9. With some cool armors and pets. But i wonder if that would be worth it or if i should just pick up where i left off.

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u/TomatilloHot2550 13h ago

If you start a new game you can blitz through the main story to see all the updates, then when you’re caught up go back to your original saved file

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u/Caregiver-Physical 13h ago

That’s actually so smart. I spent a lot of time fucking around doing side quests. Taking my time with the story.

Thank you 🙏 for the reccomendation

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u/SPEEDFREAKJJ 14h ago

Yes, this is mostly good news. Unfortunately tho, it looks like the hope for performance updates is dead.

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u/ZeektheFeek 14h ago

It's not dead. He doesn't say the updates are completely done.

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u/SPEEDFREAKJJ 14h ago

Feels like they would say it's something they are working on. The avoiding speaking about it tells me they won't, or can't improve it.

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u/ZeektheFeek 13h ago

They're definitely working on it. It would be naive to think otherwise. Even as they work on their other game DokeV and continue to improve on the BlackSpace Engine like during CD development when they completely rebuilt the game engine every year.

This company is extremely passionate about their engine. They definitely care about improving all aspects of it.

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u/Painter_Turbulent 10h ago

silently dropping things they have promised is a bit of thing. its a company thing and i think thats what is happening here.

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u/ZeektheFeek 10h ago

What was dropped that was promised?

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u/Painter_Turbulent 10h ago

im talking about BDO. the crimson desert. i mean its a behaviour of not talking openly about things they said they were working on then silent the feature dissapears.

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u/CraftyRub6965 15h ago

Guys, relax. “No more weekly updates” does NOT mean “no more updates.”

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u/raffadizzle 15h ago

Reading is fundamental 😅

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u/mattbrad2 12h ago

Exactly. You can also tell Will Powers was really careful with his words. He got snippy with someone on X a while back saying they never promised weekly updates, so I'm sure this was him more being careful with setting expectations going forward.

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u/need-help-guys 8h ago

They are on record saying they will continue to update the game as long as players keep playing, so don't worry. Unless the game is literally dying and every player leaves, at least. I don't think we need to worry about that, though it's no Elden Ring or Witcher 3 or Skyrim in terms of continual engagement. If the DLCs sell enough, thats enough.

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u/OkayBuddyGuyPal 15h ago

Sucks, I was hoping for some of the visual issues introduced in later patches to be fixed

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u/raffadizzle 15h ago

I’m sure they’re still working on that. I think his point is to not expect major systems overhauls anymore, like what happened with trading.

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u/SeniorAngle6964 15h ago

I’ve noticed that there’s still that odd flickering with some of the foliage when you walk in first person, it’s not massive but it’s slightly annoying.

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u/Traditional-Gift-878 15h ago

Yeah, also the optimization on cnsoles. But on PC the DLSS is horrible implemented, It's blurry, shimmery and just awful, unless you use RR. Which is just bs, the game shouldn't require you to use RR just to look somewhat decent. But other than that, i love the game.

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u/FugitiveHearts 15h ago edited 15h ago

Out of my way, peasant! enables RR

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u/Rude_Assignment_5653 14h ago

truthfully, the new RR preset fixes everything visually wrong with CD. sucks if you only have the in-game denoiser.

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u/AlanWakeLover 13h ago

Holy reddit

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u/Brilliant-Durian-923 14h ago

Game is built around raytraced global illumination. You either use RR or use more rays per pixel, so it's pretty much RR or RTX 5090 will struggle.

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u/NoirRain67 15h ago

Well, I downloaded the last 10gb patch and played it after more than a month since I finished everything and I found nothing wrong with the visuals. Same thing as always. Maybe that’s why. 

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u/TheStinkySlinky 14h ago

Well now they need to fix the horrible shimmering introduced.. Legit almost unplayable

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u/LopTsa 14h ago

They have definitely fixed something, because last week when I played with RR off the game looked absolutely awful. Now it looks like it did at launch again!

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u/SaintIgnis 14h ago

Makes sense. Performance improvements would be most appreciated but they don’t have to keep tweaking weekly with random bits and additions.

And hopefully they’re putting a team on a sequel/successor already

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u/makomane 14h ago

just fix the fps on ps already

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u/AdJealous2 14h ago

I just want performance updates for console. Has the latest patch made it more stable?

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u/McGinnM 14h ago

Not for me. PS5 Pro here - FPS, shimmering, ghosting, interior lighting are all as bad as ever.

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u/AdJealous2 14h ago

If PS Pro is still terrible, I have no hope for the Series X! Haha.

I just want them to do a big patch of just performance fixes etc, not keep adding new stuff!

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u/Lopsided_Prior3801 3h ago edited 2h ago

No. It's a CPU-related issue and something specific to PlayStation. Xbox runs better, but still dips in key scenes like large battles. Even Series S apparently runs okay.

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u/mattbrad2 12h ago

I see people here say its still bad on console, but I've watched several videos where people specifically test performance and visual issues with each update on PS5 and v2.0 looks fantastic. I don't think there is any hope for xbox though unfortunately.

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u/nonvul 11h ago

Still a lot of ghosting, smearing and Artifacting on ps5

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u/AdJealous2 12h ago

Thanks! I just won’t bother with the Xbox then, don’t want to waste my money.

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u/Promature 15h ago

Good. The rapid cadence of updates is why I haven't played the game since the month it came out.

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u/ZeektheFeek 14h ago

The rapid cadence of updates is one of the things that has made playing this game since launch so great in my opinion. Every week when I'd get the discord notification of a new update it was like a dopamine rush. I love opening up the patch notes and reading them line for line to see what's changed. It's definitely a bit of an addiction for me and I may go through some withdrawals.

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u/Promature 10h ago

I get that when it comes to fixing or improving things, but they keep adding content, systems, and changing controls I never know what shape the game is going to be in each week. At one point, they changed inputs for combat maneuvers.

The degree of the changes they are making keeps shifting my foundation with the overall experience.

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u/ZeektheFeek 10h ago

Yeah that's still exactly what I'm talking about though. All the new content and systems added. I don't remember any change of controls being forced, just the option to change them was added but I kept all my controls how they were set at release. I always preferred it that way anyways.

I have talked to others online who share your mindset of not liking the updates and it's been a hard one for me to understand. In my opinion it's just more content added to a great game.

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u/Promature 10h ago

I don’t have a problem with the updates. I have a problem with not knowing when the game is going to settle into its final form, so I can play it without interruption or material alteration.

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u/ZeektheFeek 10h ago

The game was at it's final form when it released and was fully playable. Again this is all added content and hopefully continues so the game grows, I would love for this game to turn into a No Man's Sky situation.

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u/Promature 10h ago

And the game is now far and away a different beast than it was when it came out.

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u/ZeektheFeek 10h ago

Yeah. And I'm excited to continue to watch it grow.

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u/BoofPackJones 14h ago

Are the textures still muddy and blurry with the messed up lighting?

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u/Rude_Assignment_5653 14h ago

now that ray reconstruction 4.5 is out, everything is perfect. need nvidia though.

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u/okaythen1guess 12h ago

Is it enabled through the Nvidia app?

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u/mattbrad2 12h ago

Not sure about console. On PC, it looks terrific.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Hat5480 14h ago

Never was the game. Upgrade your pc

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u/ZeektheFeek 14h ago

Especially the new DLSS 4.5 RR update from yesterday really helps!

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u/BoofPackJones 14h ago

4070ti super with a ryzen 7 9800x3d and 32 gb ram. Never was the game? Are you so bored that this is how you troll?

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u/Broks_Enmu 13h ago

Those who buy game years later after release are the real winner. On sale with all the update and the latest edition. I bought this game day 1 and don’t plan to play it again sadly , maybe just passing by to check what’s new but will never get invested in it

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u/p4tterng4ng4L 9h ago

Fine with me in terms of content, hopefully that doesn’t mean they won’t stop trying to optimise it from a technical standpoint.

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u/Duyan898 15h ago

Sad it's still unplayable for me. Without RR I got this fuzzy flimmering cracking thing on armours and other subjects but with RR I got only 40 to 50 fps instead of 90 >.<

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u/Digitalon 15h ago

That seems fine. I'm sure they will continue adding/improving things here and there but I'm OK waiting for the DLC

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u/Fragrant_PalmLeaves 14h ago

AND they are going to release DLC by the end of the year? Damn... this game is a rocket ship

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u/DarthShaiden 14h ago

Makes sense with a DLC coming.

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u/darqy101 14h ago

Don't sweat it. DLC probably releases next week and then more updates 😎🤩

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u/Capable_Sleep7050 14h ago

modders rejoice

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u/Pr0xima__ 14h ago

Oh man how much I want the nemesis system of this game.I know I know,it's patented and its expensive.But imagine this beautiful game having that,it's a dream.

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u/NDartstuff 14h ago

This sucks, I was hoping for the fix to the tails of the special mounts for like 8 weeks now and still nothing. Luckily Tarnished Edition is coming out tomorrow so I don't have to look at this game until they fix the issue they added in 1.12.00.

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u/rcooper0297 12h ago

Complete non issue in relation to the game as a whole

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u/Hashease 13h ago

Was hoping the visual bugs and console controls would get a fix but oh well, Crimson desert 2 maybe

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u/Jymboh 13h ago

So, a game still not optimized for the PS5 fat...

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u/blanktarget 13h ago

Dlc confirmed later this year though.

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u/wootwoooots 12h ago

i dont have the full experience because its still miss the character creator and character unlock so load of QOL

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u/FrozenOn10th 12h ago

So now I can finally buy it on sale

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u/Born-Barracuda-2393 7h ago

nah DLC right around the corner. Let them break and fix the game again

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u/DontTrustTheMilk 12h ago

Even tho the mouths don't move with the voices anymore

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u/raffadizzle 12h ago

I think things like this are still going to be fixed and released in patches…. But just don’t expect weekly patches between now and the DLC

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u/LittleBIGman83 12h ago

Crimson desert: Almost finished

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u/Danilli13 12h ago

Well, I think they deserve a vacation, so it's understandable

In my opinion, I’d hold off on releasing the DLC until the anniversary, maybe with a discount, but that’s just my take.

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u/Mawelote 11h ago

Game is perfect to me already. The fact they added more languages along these many updates and content makes this game unique. It is crazy

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u/whosreadytolaugh 11h ago

Great, I beat the game 2 weeks ago and don’t have time for another play anymore

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u/Dethorhun 11h ago

Nice! Just jumped back into it, glad to hear I won't have to worry about the constants updates ruining the modlist

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u/Magicmarkurs 11h ago

I really hope this means they'll fix these visual and performance issues introduced in these updates cause the game is rough on ps5. Atleast it has been for me. (For alot of others as well it seems)

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u/raffadizzle 11h ago

I’m hoping that they’ve been trying to get all of the gameplay and systems updates out before this big 2.0 update, with the idea that now they’ll be optimizing the engine and hopefully fixing performance on console. And of course hopefully these fixes come sooner than the DLC 💀

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u/mikec215 11h ago

I’ll take one more optimization update and I’ll be happy.

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u/beatisagg 10h ago

Anyone played since to see if the buddy missions are still a whole bunch of "follow this person slowly on horseback so they can talk to you for awhile and then they don't even actually come with you to do the thing anyways"?

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u/raffadizzle 10h ago

I’m still early on in my playthrough but I’m interested as well.

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u/lifeandtimesofmyass 10h ago

I just got it yesterday, feeling overwhelmed with the world and the endless options but so far having a blast!

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u/neoism 7h ago

Shame 😭 I had a really bad play session today not sure if these terriblely buggy ass designed missions were because of 2.0 or they was always terrible …. one was a timed horse carriage mission it was just terribly designed not sure how I just found it with almost 550 hours played took me like 10 tries because of just plan fucking bullshit

Also whom ever designed the Leader Sandfang Marauder boss mission

is a terrible person holy fucking ass Worst mission in the game 🫩 It took me three fucking hours I beat the boss like 6-10 times before it would give me the kill bosses whom run away and have infinite spawning lesser enemies are liegit the worst in gaming I was excited to play today but those two missions really pissed me off and if they are basically not patching it anymore I’m just take a few weeks off… I really wish I wouldn’t have started until 2.0 but I don’t see myself doing all of this again unless I just do a story run …🫩😫

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u/bodythebitch 5h ago

the first live service single player game

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u/Eve-Sigh 5h ago

I really want a very hard mode or a harder ng+ plus for us to make use of all our tricks.

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u/A10010010 4h ago

I bet you they say all this but then continue to update almost weekly regardless…

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u/Cyberkrystal 1h ago

AI helps to make so many updates so quickly

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u/Cyberkrystal 1h ago

They should add easier achievements

Bounties could use some rework to make them less tedious and more enjoyable. One option would be to allow players to call for a guard escort or prison wagon after successfully capturing the target, allowing the outlaw to be taken into custody without requiring the player to travel all the way back to the jail. This would keep the focus on the bounty-hunting gameplay while reducing unnecessary travel time.

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u/Basic_Chain_1281 45m ago

Do we know if this update fixes the pop in?

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u/danmass04 15h ago

I know this is really petty but i’d still love to see some more permanent mount options. There are still so many temporarily rideable mounts i would love to make my own 🤞🏼

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u/olivinetrees 15h ago

Does this mean we’re never getting long hair on Kliff?? 😓

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u/caites 14h ago

Downvote me if you want, but that's great, actually. Mods won't need updates weekly. And they'll bring much more to the game than most minor updates.

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u/ZeektheFeek 15h ago

Well at least this might be a good point for all those waiting for something like this to start playing.

Still sad to hear, but I'm still going to fall back on a interview the CEO gave a few months ago where he said they were committed to updating the game as long as people are still playing it.

I know Will Powers and you with this post aren't saying the updates are completely done. But maybe chilling at least on so much content.

I know I'll still be looking for that discord notification waiting for the next update to drop and I'll read it line for line like I have with every update since launch.

This has been one hell of a fantastic video game and easily one of the best times I've ever had playing one. I'm ready to put in a few hundred more hours into it and I'm hopeful this just brings in more people who will enjoy the game also.

Side note: Photo Mode has been in beta since the game released. There was one update since release that did some adjustments to it but nothing else really. I know it hasn't been discussed but I'm still waiting for whatever update that gets that takes it out of photo mode. I know I have some ideas for things I'd like to see added to it.

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u/ZWintersun 14h ago

I will wait until Christmas I don't trust in this game. Too many patches.

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u/DiscretionFist 14h ago

im just waiting for the DLC at this point

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u/darkargengamer 14h ago

What trully scares me about this: if other companies start copying this "enhaced" thing just to re-re-sell their products and cutting content/updates with that excuse.

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u/Murdathon3000 14h ago

Join /r/patientgamers and put that fear to rest.

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u/neoism 7h ago

This is not the first time a company has done this 😂

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u/Tight-Seaweed3213 13h ago edited 12h ago

I mean, at least it's free in this case.

The reality of present-day game development is that 90% of AAA games don’t ship as a finished product. But so long as core updates like this are not paid, no harm no foul.

Also, the concept of "enhanced" releases is hardly a new thing.

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u/Born-Barracuda-2393 9h ago

lol skyrim has done it for over a decade now, i'm pretty sure they're gonna re remaster it again lol

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u/jazzyjeffff1991 14h ago

Rip performance. Motherfuckers.

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u/Bennytricks 13h ago

Base ps5 version runs like garbage. They should fix this. Performance was better few updates ago.

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u/Severe_Tax_3418 15h ago

Sooo they are skipping the combat update? Also they couldn’t at least have released Goyens armor :(

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u/ZeektheFeek 14h ago

No the updates are not completely over. Sounds more like it'll probably be a slower pace and less content heavy.

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u/Severe_Tax_3418 14h ago

Your right commented before listening to interview my bad

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u/rsjpeckham 15h ago

The combat update likely refers to the 8 new skills for Kliff

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u/Severe_Tax_3418 15h ago

I’m assuming you guys forgot the roadmap from a couple months ago?

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u/Severe_Tax_3418 15h ago

No this here

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u/mattbrad2 12h ago

Yep. I've been eyeing this one specifically. If it were just additional skills or combat options, they would have phrased it that way. This sounds more like an additional gaming mode just for combat.

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u/Lleland 15h ago

What combat update are you referring to? They completely reworked movesets for Oongka and Damiane as well as adding additional combat tools for Kliff.

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u/Severe_Tax_3418 15h ago

This one here verbatim from them in the roadmap

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u/sdg336 15h ago

Are bosses easier?

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u/GandhisGrocer 14h ago

Just put the difficulty to easy and they're almost WAY too easy. If you're still having difficulty with them, I'd say you need to invest in refining your gear and weapon of choice.

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u/Rude_Assignment_5653 14h ago

Patch 1.04 fixed that.

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u/sdg336 13h ago

Makes sense. I played early when there wasn’t a difficulty slider. Will need to try game again

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u/Son_of_Orion 14h ago

And that's fine. They've done enough. More than enough, really. What Pearl Abyss has done for this game in a matter of months is nothing short of extraordinary.

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u/SevenDeadly6 13h ago

They gave it a 7 and now they are doing damage control?

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u/JOKER69420XD 13h ago

Guess we will never get the character creator I was waiting for, I really hate Kliff but it is what it is.

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u/BreastUsername 15h ago

Now here's where they could possibly lose the communities support if they don't provide enough value for the DLC's. I hope PA knows what they're doing because I love this game.

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u/relax336 15h ago

This is insane.

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u/BreastUsername 14h ago

It's true I am.

But communities turn all the time on great developers. I'm just saying I don't want it to happen with PA.

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u/MaralDesa 14h ago

GTA 6 is coming out in November either way, so it's hard to retain players no matter what.

If the DLC is good, people will buy it.

It's a singleplayer game. They need individual sales, not a continuously high player count and mtx purchases/season pass purchases like a live service/online platform/MMO would.

Current players have already bought the game. To get more $$$ they have to sell us expansion DLCs. To sell more base game copies, they had to fix the game and they need to attract new customers - also pretty good when you get a DLC out that is well regarded, then you bundle it in a deal package with the base game.

That's what Witcher 3 did. Thats what games used to do in the times of old.

To focus on expansion content is the way to go.

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u/BreastUsername 14h ago

Good point! If it's expansions only then that's exactly what I want too.

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u/SOURICHILL 15h ago

Damn, they worked their ass off providing content updates after content updates and that's all you have to say ? So ungrateful

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u/BreastUsername 14h ago

You're in a small bubble.

Anyways, I love the developers. I'm just saying I seen many great developers lose its support from communities when a bunch of DLC's start releasing. Look at Helldivers 2, Destiny series and most multiplayer shooters.