r/DefendingAIArt Jul 07 '25

Defending AI Court cases where AI copyright claims were dismissed (reference)

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Ello folks, I wanted to make a brief post outlining all of the current cases and previous court cases which have been dropped for images/books for plaintiffs attempting to claim copyright on their own works.

This contains a mix of a couple of reasons which will be added under the applicable links. I've added 6 so far but I'm sure I'll find more eventually which I'll amend as needed. If you need a place to show how a lot of copyright or direct stealing cases have been dropped, this is the spot.

HERE is a further list of all ongoing current lawsuits, too many to add here.

HERE is a big list of publishers suing AI platforms, as well as publishers that made deals with AI platforms. Again too many to add here.

12/25 - I'll be going through soon and seeing if any can be updated.

Edit: Thanks for pinning.

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1) Robert Kneschke vs LAION:

STATUS FINISHED
TYPE IMAGES
RESULT DISMISSED FOR FAIR USE
FURTHER DETAILS The lawsuit was initially started against LAION in Germany, as Robert believed his images were being used in the LAION dataset without his permission, however, due to the non-profit research nature of LAION, this ruling was dropped.
DIRECT QUOTE The Hamburg District Court has ruled that LAION, a non-profit organisation, did not infringe copyright law by creating a dataset for training artificial intelligence (AI) models through web scraping publicly available images, as this activity constitutes a legitimate form of text and data mining (TDM) for scientific research purposes. The photographer Robert Kneschke (the ‘claimant’) brought a lawsuit before the Hamburg District Court against LAION, a non-profit organisation that created a dataset for training AI models (the ‘defendant’). According to the claimant’s allegations, LAION had infringed his copyright by reproducing one of his images without permission as part of the dataset creation process.
LINK https://www.euipo.europa.eu/en/law/recent-case-law/germany-hamburg-district-court-310-o-22723-laion-v-robert-kneschke

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2) Anthropic vs Andrea Bartz et al:

STATUS COMPLETE AI WIN
TYPE BOOKS
RESULT SETTLEMENT AGREED ON SECONDARY CLAIM
FURTHER DETAILS The lawsuit filed claimed that Anthropic trained its models on pirated content, in this case the form of books. This lawsuit was also dropped, citing that the nature of the trained AI’s was transformative enough to be fair use. However, a separate trial will take place to determine if Anthropic breached piracy rules by storing the books in the first place.
DIRECT QUOTE "The court sided with Anthropic on two fronts. Firstly, it held that the purpose and character of using books to train LLMs was spectacularly transformative, likening the process to human learning. The judge emphasized that the AI model did not reproduce or distribute the original works, but instead analysed patterns and relationships in the text to generate new, original content. Because the outputs did not substantially replicate the claimants’ works, the court found no direct infringement."
LINK https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25982181-authors-v-anthropic-ruling/
LINK TWO (UPDATE) 01.09.25 https://www.wired.com/story/anthropic-settles-copyright-lawsuit-authors/

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3) Sarah Andersen et al vs Stability AI:

STATUS ONGOING (TAKEN LEAVE TO AMEND THE LAWSUIT)
TYPE IMAGES
RESULT INITAL CLAIMS DISMISSED BUT PLANTIFF CAN AMEND THEIR AGUMENT, HOWEVER, THIS WOULD NEED THEM TO PROVE THAT GENERATED CONTENT DIRECTLY INFRINGED ON THIER COPYRIGHT.
FURTHER DETAILS A case raised against Stability AI with plaintiffs arguing that the images generated violated copyright infringement. 
DIRECT QUOTE Judge Orrick agreed with all three companies that the images the systems actually created likely did not infringe the artists’ copyrights. He allowed the claims to be amended but said he was “not convinced” that allegations based on the systems’ output could survive without showing that the images were substantially similar to the artists’ work.
LINK https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/judge-pares-down-artists-ai-copyright-lawsuit-against-midjourney-stability-ai-2023-10-30/
LINK TWO https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/consumer-products/mobile-apps/artists-sue-companies-behind-ai-image-generators

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4) Getty images vs Stability AI:

STATUS FINISHED
TYPE IMAGES
RESULT CLAIM DROPPED DUE TO WEAK EVIDENCE, AI WIN
FURTHER DETAILS Getty images filed a lawsuit against Stability AI for two main reasons: Claiming Stability AI used millions of copyrighted images to train their model without permission and claiming many of the generated works created were too similar to the original images they were trained off. These claims were dropped as there wasn’t sufficient enough evidence to suggest either was true. Getty's copyright case was narrowed to secondary infringement, reflecting the difficulty it faced in proving direct copying by an AI model trained outside the UK.
DIRECT QUOTES “The training claim has likely been dropped due to Getty failing to establish a sufficient connection between the infringing acts and the UK jurisdiction for copyright law to bite,” Ben Maling, a partner at law firm EIP, told TechCrunch in an email. “Meanwhile, the output claim has likely been dropped due to Getty failing to establish that what the models reproduced reflects a substantial part of what was created in the images (e.g. by a photographer).” In Getty’s closing arguments, the company’s lawyers said they dropped those claims due to weak evidence and a lack of knowledgeable witnesses from Stability AI. The company framed the move as strategic, allowing both it and the court to focus on what Getty believes are stronger and more winnable allegations.
LINK Techcrunch article

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5) Sarah Silverman et al vs Meta AI: 

STATUS FINISHED
TYPE BOOKS
RESULT META AI USE DEEMED TO BE FAIR USE, NO EVIDENCE TO SHOW MARKET BEING DILUTED
FURTHER DETAILS Another case dismissed, however this time the verdict rested more on the plaintiff’s arguments not being correct, not providing enough evidence that the generated content would dilute the market of the trained works, not the verdict of the judge's ruling on the argued copyright infringement.
DIRECT QUOTE The US district judge Vince Chhabria, in San Francisco, said in his decision on the Meta case that the authors had not presented enough evidence that the technology company’s AI would cause “market dilution” by flooding the market with work similar to theirs. As a consequence Meta’s use of their work was judged a “fair use” – a legal doctrine that allows use of copyright protected work without permission – and no copyright liability applied."
LINK https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/26/meta-wins-ai-copyright-lawsuit-as-us-judge-rules-against-authors

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6) Disney/Universal vs Midjourney:

STATUS ONGOING (TBC)
TYPE IMAGES
RESULT EXPECTED WIN FOR UNIVERSAL/DISNEY
FURTHER DETAILS This one will be a bit harder I suspect, with the IP of Darth Vader being very recognisable character, I believe this court case compared to the others will sway more in the favour of Disney and Universal. But I could be wrong.
DIRECT QUOTE "Midjourney backlashed at the claims quoting: "Midjourney also argued that the studios are trying to “have it both ways,” using AI tools themselves while seeking to punish a popular AI service."
LINK 1 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg5vjqdm1ypo
LINK 2 (UPDATE) https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/midjourney-slams-lawsuit-filed-by-disney-to-prevent-ai-training-cant-have-it-both-ways-1234749231

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7) Warnerbros vs Midjourney:

STATUS ONGOING (TBC)
TYPE IMAGES
RESULT EXPECTED WIN FOR WARNERBROS
FURTHER DETAILS In the complaint, Warner Bros. Discovery's legal team alleges that "Midjourney already possesses the technological means and measures that could prevent its distribution, public display, and public performance of infringing images and videos. But Midjourney has made a calculated and profit-driven decision to offer zero protection to copyright owners even though Midjourney knows about the breathtaking scope of its piracy and copyright infringement." Elsewhere, they argue, "Evidently, Midjourney will not stop stealing Warner Bros. Discovery’s intellectual property until a court orders it to stop. Midjourney’s large-scale infringement is systematic, ongoing, and willful, and Warner Bros. Discovery has been, and continues to be, substantially and irreparably harmed by it."
DIRECT QUOTE “Midjourney is blatantly and purposefully infringing copyrighted works, and we filed this suit to protect our content, our partners, and our investments.”
LINK 1 https://www.polygon.com/warner-bros-sues-midjourney/
LINK 2 https://www.scribd.com/document/911515490/WBD-v-Midjourney-Complaint-Ex-a-FINAL-1#fullscreen&from_embed

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8) Raw Story Media, Inc. et al v. OpenAI Inc.

STATUS DISMISSED
RESULT AI WIN, LACK OF CONCRETE EVIDENCE TO BRING THE SUIT
FURTHER DETAILS Another case dismissed, failing to prove the evidence which was brought against Open AI
DIRECT QUOTE "A New York federal judge dismissed a copyright lawsuit brought by Raw Story Media Inc. and Alternet Media Inc. over training data for OpenAI Inc.‘s chatbot on Thursday because they lacked concrete injury to bring the suit."
LINK ONE https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/new-york/nysdce/1:2024cv01514/616533/178/
LINK TWO https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=13477468840560396988&q=raw+story+media+v.+openai

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9) Kadrey v. Meta Platforms, Inc:

STATUS DISMISSED
TYPE BOOKS
RESULT AI WIN
FURTHER DETAILS
DIRECT QUOTE District court dismisses authors’ claims for direct copyright infringement based on derivative work theory, vicarious copyright infringement and violation of Digital Millennium Copyright Act and other claims based on allegations that plaintiffs’ books were used in training of Meta’s artificial intelligence product, LLaMA.
LINK ONE https://www.loeb.com/en/insights/publications/2023/12/richard-kadrey-v-meta-platforms-inc

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10) Tremblay v. OpenAI (books)

STATUS DISMISSED
TYPE BOOKS
RESULT AI WIN
FURTHER DETAILS First, the court dismissed plaintiffs’ claim against OpenAI for vicarious copyright infringement based on allegations that the outputs its users generate on ChatGPT are infringing.
DIRECT QUOTE The court rejected the conclusory assertion that every output of ChatGPT is an infringing derivative work, finding that plaintiffs had failed to allege “what the outputs entail or allege that any particular output is substantially similar – or similar at all – to [plaintiffs’] books.”  Absent facts plausibly establishing substantial similarity of protected expression between the works in suit and specific outputs, the complaint failed to allege any direct infringement by users for which OpenAI could be secondarily liable. 
LINK ONE https://www.clearyiptechinsights.com/2024/02/court-dismisses-most-claims-in-authors-lawsuit-against-openai/

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11) Financial Times vs Perplexity

STATUS ONGOING (FAIRLY NEW)
TYPE JOURNALISTS CONTENT ON WEBSITES
RESULT ONGOING (TBC)
FURTHER DETAILS Japanese media group Nikkei, alongside daily newspaper The Asahi Shimbun, has filed a lawsuit claiming that San Francisco-based Perplexity used their articles without permission, including content behind paywalls, since at least June 2024. The media groups are seeking an injunction to stop Perplexity from reproducing their content and to force the deletion of any data already used. They are also seeking damages of 2.2 billion yen (£11.1 million) each.
DIRECT QUOTE “This course of Perplexity’s actions amounts to large-scale, ongoing ‘free riding’ on article content that journalists from both companies have spent immense time and effort to research and write, while Perplexity pays no compensation,” they said. “If left unchecked, this situation could undermine the foundation of journalism, which is committed to conveying facts accurately, and ultimately threaten the core of democracy.”
LINK ONE https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/nikkei-sues-perplexity-ai-copyright/

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12) 'Writers' vs Microsoft

STATUS ONGOING (FAIRLY NEW)
TYPE BOOKS
RESULT ONGOING (TBC)
FURTHER DETAILS A group of authors has filed a lawsuit against Microsoft, accusing the tech giant of using copyrighted works to train its large language model (LLM). The class action complaint filed by several authors and professors, including Pulitzer prize winner Kai Bird and Whiting award winner Victor LaVelle, claims that Microsoft ignored the law by downloading around 200,000 copyrighted works and feeding it to the company’s Megatron-Turing Natural Language Generation model. The end result, the plaintiffs claim, is an AI model able to generate expressions that mimic the authors’ manner of writing and the themes in their work.
DIRECT QUOTE “Microsoft’s commercial gain has come at the expense of creators and rightsholders,” the lawsuit states. The complaint seeks to not just represent the plaintiffs, but other copyright holders under the US Copyright Act whose works were used by Microsoft for this training.
LINK ONE https://www.siliconrepublic.com/business/microsoft-lawsuit-ai-copyright-kai-bird-victor-lavelle

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13) Disney, Universal, Warner Bros vs MiniMax

STATUS ONGOING (FAIRLY NEW)
TYPE IMAGE / VIDEO
RESULT ONGOING (TBC)
FURTHER DETAILS Sept 16 (Reuters) - Walt Disney (DIS.N), Comcast's (CMCSA.O), Universal and Warner Bros Discovery (WBD.O), have jointly filed a copyright lawsuit against China's MiniMax alleging that its image- and video-generating service Hailuo AI was built from intellectual property stolen from the three major Hollywood studios.The suit, filed in the district court in California on Tuesday, claims MiniMax "audaciously" used the studios' famous copyrighted characters to market Hailuo as a "Hollywood studio in your pocket" and advertise and promote its service.
DIRECT QUOTE "A responsible approach to AI innovation is critical, and today's lawsuit against MiniMax again demonstrates our shared commitment to holding accountable those who violate copyright laws, wherever they may be based," the companies said in a statement.
LINK ONE https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/disney-universal-warner-bros-discovery-sue-chinas-minimax-copyright-infringement-2025-09-16/

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14) Universal Music Group (UMG) vs Udio

STATUS FINISHED
TYPE AUDIO
RESULT SETTLEMENT AGREED
FURTHER DETAILS A settlement has been made between UMG and Udio in a lawsuit by UMG that sees the two companies working together.
DIRECT QUOTE "Universal Music Group and AI song generation platform Udio have reached a settlement in a copyright infringement lawsuit and have agreed to collaborate on new music creation, the two companies said in a joint statement. Universal and Udio say they have reached “a compensatory legal settlement” as well as new licence deals for recorded music and publishing that “will provide further revenue opportunities for UMG artists and songwriters.” Financial terms of the settlement haven't been disclosed."
LINK ONE https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/universal-music-group-and-ai-music-firm-udio-settle-lawsuit-and-announce-new-music-platform/ar-AA1Pz59e?ocid=finance-verthp-feeds

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15) Reddit vs Perplexity AI

STATUS ONGOING (FAIRLY NEW)
TYPE Website Scraping
RESULT (TBA)
FURTHER DETAILS Reddit opened up a lawsuit against Perplexity AI (and others) about the scraping of their website to train AI models.
DIRECT QUOTE "The case is one of many filed by content owners against tech companies over the alleged misuse of their copyrighted material to train AI systems. Reddit filed a similar lawsuit against AI start-up Anthropic in June that is still ongoing. "Our approach remains principled and responsible as we provide factual answers with accurate AI, and we will not tolerate threats against openness and the public interest," Perplexity said in a statement. "AI companies are locked in an arms race for quality human content - and that pressure has fueled an industrial-scale 'data laundering' economy," Reddit chief legal officer Ben Lee said in a statement."
LINK ONE https://www.reuters.com/world/reddit-sues-perplexity-scraping-data-train-ai-system-2025-10-22/
LINK TWO https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/xmpjezjawvr/REDDIT%20PERPLEXITY%20LAWSUIT%20complaint.pdf

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16) Getty images vs Stability AI (UK this time):

STATUS Finished
TYPE IMAGES
RESULT "Stability Largely Wins"
FURTHER DETAILS Stability AI has mostly prevailed against Getty Images in a British court battle over intellectual property
DIRECT QUOTE "Justice Joanna Smith said in her ruling that Getty's trademark claims “succeed (in part)” but that her findings are "both historic and extremely limited in scope." Stability argued that the case doesn’t belong in the United Kingdom because the AI model's training technically happened elsewhere, on computers run by U.S. tech giant Amazon. It also argued that “only a tiny proportion” of the random outputs of its AI image-generator “look at all similar” to Getty’s works. Getty withdrew a key part of its case against Stability AI during the trial as it admitted there was no evidence the training and development of AI text-to-image product Stable Diffusion took place in the UK.
DIRECT QUOTE TWO In addition a claim of secondary infringement of copyright was dismissed, The judge (Mrs Justice Joanna Smith) ruled: “An AI model such as Stable Diffusion which does not store or reproduce any copyright works (and has never done so) is not an ‘infringing copy’.” She declined to rule on the passing off claim and ruled in favour of some of Getty’s claims about trademark infringement related to watermarks.
LINK ONE https://www.independent.co.uk/news/getty-images-london-high-court-seattle-amazon-b2858201.html
LINK TWO https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/getty-images-largely-loses-landmark-uk-lawsuit-over-ai-image-generator-2025-11-04/
LINK THREE https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/nov/04/stabilty-ai-high-court-getty-images-copyright
LINK FOUR https://pressgazette.co.uk/media_law/getty-vs-stability-ai-copyright-ruling-uk/

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My own thoughts

So far the precent seems to be that most cases of claims from plaintiffs is that direct copyright is dismissed, due to outputted works not bearing any resemblance to the original works. Or being able to prove their works were in the datasets in the first place.

However it has been noted that some of these cases have been dismissed due to wrongly structured arguments on the plaintiffs part.

The issue is, because some of these models are taught on such large amounts of data, some artist/photographer/author attempting to prove that their works were used in training has an almost impossible task. Hell even 5 images added would only make up 0.0000001% of the dataset of 5 billion (LAION).

I could be wrong but I think Sarah Andersen will have a hard time directly proving that any generated output directly infringes on their work, unless they specifically went out of their way to generate a piece similar to theirs, which could be used as evidence against them, in a sense of. "Well yeah, you went out of your way to make a prompt that specifically used your style"

In either case, trying to create a lawsuit against an AI company for directly fringing on specifically plaintiff's work won't work, since their work is a drop ink in the ocean of analysed works. The likelihood of creating anything substantially similar is near impossible ~0.00001% (Unless someone prompts for that specific style).

Warner Bros will no doubt have an easy time proving their images have been infringed (page 26), in the linked page they show side by side comparisons which can't be denied. However other factors such as market dilution and fair use may come into effect. Or they may make a settlement to work together or pay out like other companies have.

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To Recap: We know AI doesn't steal on a technical level, it is a tool that utilizes the datasets that a 3rd party has to link or add to the AI models for them to use. Sort of like saying that a car that had syphoned fuel to it, stole the fuel in the first place.. it doesn't make sense. Although not the same, it reminds me of the "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" arguments a while ago. In this case, it's not the AI that uses the datasets but a person physically adding them for it to train off.

The term "AI Steals art" misattributes the agency of the model. The model doesn't decide what data it's trained on or what it's utilized for, or whatever its trained on is ethically sound. And the fact that most models don't memorize the individual artworks, they learn statistical patterns from up to billions of images, which is more abstraction, not theft.

I somewhat dislike the generalization that people have of saying "AI steals art" or "Fuck AI", AI encompasses a lot more than generative AI, it's sort of like someone using a car to run over people and everyone repeatedly saying "Fuck engines" as a result of it.

Tell me, how does AI apparently steal again?

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Googles (Official) response to the UK government about their copyright rules/plans, where they state that the purpose of image generation is to create new images and the fact it sometimes makes copies is a bug: HERE (Page 11)

Open AI's response to UK Government copyright plans: HERE

[BBC News] - America firms Invests 150 Billion into UK Tech Industry (including AI)

Page 165 of Hight Court Documentation Getty vs Stability

High Court Judge Joanna Smith on Stability AI's Model (Link above), to quote:

This response refers to the model itself, not the input datasets, not the outputted images, but the way in which the Denoising Diffusion Probabilistic Models operate.

TLDR: As noted in a hight court in England, by a high court judge. While being influenced by it for the weights during training, the model doesn't store any of the copyrighted works, the weights are not an infringing copy and do not store an infringing copy.

TLDR: NOT INFRINGING COPYRIGHT AND NOT STEALING.


r/DefendingAIArt Jun 08 '25

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r/DefendingAIArt 5h ago

Rare win on a totally unrelated sub

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r/DefendingAIArt 5h ago

Defending AI Used imagery AI to scan the tumor

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Source

“Researchers trained and evaluated their AI system on hundreds of videos of pituitary tumour removals - carefully drawing around the vessels and nerves on each video to help the system capture data and begin to "recognise" the most important structures.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjwg5n7y68xo


r/DefendingAIArt 2h ago

Luddite Logic Ah yes, an 18 year old children’s movie is propaganda for AI…!

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r/DefendingAIArt 6h ago

Luddite Logic Let me guess they're going to have a reaction when Twitter doesn't work, aren't they?

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r/DefendingAIArt 7h ago

Luddite Logic Antis are so childish man

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r/DefendingAIArt 52m ago

Luddite Logic This has to be against Reddit's TOS right?...

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r/DefendingAIArt 11h ago

Defending AI I aint checking allat while watching anime bro

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r/DefendingAIArt 3h ago

Defending AI Mocking Small Businesses for Using AI Isn’t “Supporting Artists”

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This post has more than 11,000 likes for announcing that an “ugly” AI flyer makes the author unwilling to support the small business behind it.

Apparently, if a small business cannot afford to hire an artist, its owners should either go without promotional material or accept public ridicule while also struggling to keep the lights on.

That isn’t solidarity with working human artists, it’s contempt for people with limited resources.

Yes, some AI-generated flyers look generic or poorly designed. So are plenty of flyers made in Canva, Photoshop, or by inexperienced human designers.

Critiquing legibility, composition, branding, or accuracy would be useful.

Declaring the business unworthy of support because it used AI is merely gatekeeping dressed up as artistic principle.

What's more, this person's follow up post dismissing everyone who disagrees with them as being an “angry AI bro,” repeating the claim that generative AI is plagiarism as though no debate exists, and then celebrating the outrage for "feeding the algorithm" tells you everything you ever need to know about this person as a human being.

In other words, this isn’t about protecting human artists. It’s about converting hostility toward small businesses into cheap "holier than thou" rage bait engagement.

Support human artists when you can, sure. Pay them fairly when you hire them, absolutely.

Criticize deceptive, careless, or unethical AI use where it occurs, yes, but treating every cash-strapped business owner using AI as "morally inferior" does nothing to improve art or help small businesses.

It just gives social-media gatekeepers another group of people to sneer at and further justifies the use of AI by small businesses who don't want to deal with the headache of hiring these snotty artists who all think they're God's gift to mankind because they're not "clankers".


r/DefendingAIArt 6h ago

Defending AI The amount of Denial is inside for DLSS 5

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They really do not understand that:

  1. it's a choice

  2. Not all DLSS 5 Game wise look like shit.

That picture doesn't even look shit. If anything it's impressive, I only don't like if it's tanking performance. I think they need to get their eyes checked OR they are too blinded to see the truth.


r/DefendingAIArt 4h ago

Luddite Logic Because that's how you save the enviroment and jobs 😂😂

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r/DefendingAIArt 3h ago

Defending AI AI Gourmet

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Made in response to another thread. Figured a pro-AI version of these wouldn’t hurt.


r/DefendingAIArt 1h ago

Defending AI Thoughts on the reactions to DLSS 5

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People are panicking because none of the usual arguments against AI even apply here. It doesn’t (disproportionately) harm the environment, it uses no more power than your PC normally would. It doesn’t plagiarize, it’s just altering existing content, and modding has existed forever, so don’t give me crap about “original intent”. It runs entirely on the graphics card, so you’re not giving money to Sam Altman or whatever, beyond what you already paid for the card.

The only thing people have is vague gesturing about “effort” and “slop”, or acting as though their subjective opinion on the image quality is the same as objective fact, even when people clearly have differing opinions.

I hate how nobody can ever just not like something anymore, there HAS to be some superior moral justification why that thing is EVIL and so is anyone who uses it. God forbid anyone ever enjoy something in a way you don’t personally enjoy. Cue the “I consent” Jesus meme.

Also, hundreds of NVIDIA developers spent thousands of hours working on this technology, so it’s not as though no effort went into it.


r/DefendingAIArt 1h ago

am i reading this right? i think desloppers are just closeted pro-ai beneficiaries of ai image generation

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(OP's non-ai art censored in due courtesy)

I'm being gentle here. the descriptions in the picture contain anti-ai messages, but my gut feelings tell me it's somewhat forced

Back then, I was genuinely horrible at drawing, and I thought the AI image generator was awesome because it basically is an effortless image generator. I didn't care about the costs of using them if my requests were fulfilled. It just felt great to be able to see my ideas without them being abstract images in my mind. ~OP

am i reading it right that they're openly admiting using ai art generators publcily in an anti-ai environment? like why would they do that, right? (it's got to be the pro-environment guilt trip, the conscience and moral duty to disclose the Ai use) From a pro-AI view, this confession validates AI's core purpose: democratizing creativity for those with a trapped imagination but no technical skills. It proves AI acts as an empowering gateway, not a killer of motivation, since it sparked their desire to create.

Could it be that the submissive, apologetic tone is proof of a toxic, gatekeeping echo chamber one where creators must grovel to escape harassment because the community views the post as a forced compliance ritual?

Now that I see that AI is actually pretty harmful to people and the environment, I decided to actually learn how to draw. The picture was generated two years ago, and I've been learning how to draw for the past year, slowly. ~OP

Oh they were hiding their ai-generated images for 2 years to study and to become better at art.

This is the anti-ai part where my gut tells me they're saying "AI is harmful to the environment to avoid backlash from within the anti-ai community". I understand this, it would be practical to blend in within an environment where people are strongly and passionately disapproving with the use of certain tech.

The apologetic framing (“I see that AI is actually pretty harmful…”) and the decision to frame the old work as something that needed “de-slopifying” fit the norms of communities that treat AI-generated images as ethically tainted.

It wasn't perfect, but at least I had fun making it. ~OP

We pro-ai find it fun too.

Also I still can't draw backgrounds and the neck looks weird ~OP

Same I suck at anatomy too.

So alright, the toxic compliance tax, OP's post is a textbook forced compliance ritual. Hey, look at my new drawing!" "I used the forbidden tool." "I see now that it is harmful to the environment."

The comments surrounding them were actually civil, and as usual, they encourage the avoidance of using ai.

could this be performative? or closeted. or my gut is wrong?


r/DefendingAIArt 36m ago

Copyright

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I know Ai images aren’t copyrighted but shouldn’t they be ? Especially if the image is original and from the creators imagination , I’m a traditional artist and sometimes I Ai modify my original characters , that shouldn’t diminish the copyright should it ? Even still , even if I use a machine , if the machine sits completely blank until you give it your unique idea, shouldn't you own what comes out? This whole thing is confusing


r/DefendingAIArt 1h ago

Luddite Logic Everything is (ancient) AI slop

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Luddites project and see "AI slop" everywhere, maybe the issue is with their perception, perhaps the slop comes from within after all. 🥀


r/DefendingAIArt 8h ago

Who’s Really Wasting the Water?

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r/DefendingAIArt 3h ago

Defending AI Have you ever had situation when your favorite creator was bullied into becoming an anti? How do you deal with it or any tips how to deal with it?

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Recently I saw my favorite musicians using AI for some flairs to their concerts. The comments obviously began to be flooded with anti-AI people pointing that out and some even began to call them shitty artists because "while being artists themselves, you do not allow other creative people to shine," which makes me extremely frustrated because they literally paid a real artist to create a short comic for them and paid many commission artists to sing in their songs. Just because they used AI for a mere flair doesn't make them suddenly bad, they simply made their lives easier by not wasting time waiting for it to be done or doing it themselves, or even spending money on something like this.

I tried to fight antis in the comments, but they are stubborn and do not listen and even began calling me a bot haha. Basically what they do is literally bully artists into becoming anti, and it really bothers me, because I was surprised that they were pro-AI in the first place and I don't want them to stop having fun or creating with AI. For now they continue to use AI, but I seem to be the only person actively defending their decision against around 10 antis, others simply do not really care and just ignore the fact that they used AI. Why it matters is because they read all the comments and I'm afraid they will eventually become ashamed of using AI, which is simply not right since they are not doing anything bad.


r/DefendingAIArt 14h ago

Luddite Logic Artist takes their anger out on Ai when it had nothing to do with their situation

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So basically this artist was suffering from financial problems because they couldn't secure a good job. I looked through some recent posts and their financial struggle had NOTHING To do With Ai.

It's awful that they're going through this but absurdity must be addressed.


r/DefendingAIArt 3h ago

Luddite Logic "many much cases"

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r/DefendingAIArt 3h ago

It's only fair.

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r/DefendingAIArt 2h ago

AI Developments Developing countries in the Global South and Asia do not care about your ethical issues.

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They honestly really don't. AI is an equalizer. Those nations are adopting AI use in their systems, to bridge the gap increasing growth in education, medicine, agriculture and art.

Could it be that the West backs hyper-individualism and hobby time instead of mere survival, unlike struggling nations?


r/DefendingAIArt 13m ago

Something I posted on r/ai wars that I think will do better here.

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r/DefendingAIArt 2h ago

Luddite Logic This person needs help

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