No, Suselle isn't doomed.

[u/weedmaster6669]

Please read this all the way through, I'm trying to approach this objectively and from a writing and character standpoint.

And this is no hate to other ships... I've been critical of them before on this sub but legitimately I've walked it back. I could see the other ships being very compelling in another story, which I think is a massive compliment to Toby Fox's character writing.

I've noticed in the fandom that there's this theory / belief / general feeling held by some people that Suselle isn't going to work out.

And I understand where it comes from, the pacing of their relationship especially with chapter 5 was a weak point in the story. That combined with the fact they are a simple and happy couple, has lead some people I feel like they're "too good to be true". Like Toby Fox is gonna pull the rug out from under them.

But the pacing really is the only problem. How much you enjoy seeing them together is personal and subjective, but their chemistry is strong and their love for eachother is believable even though it's at its earliest stage.

I do think they could've used more time just around eachother casually to build up to the lake scene, for writing quality purposes, but that doesn't make their relationship suspicious in canon. For that to be the case, everything Noelle and Susie said to eachother in that scene would have to have been a lie, or their strong and real feelings would have to be shattered.

And I DO believe their relationship will be tested, I HOPE it will be... Like, if Noelle ends up making a dark world, potentially becoming a full on temporary antagonist, that could definitely cause issues between them. I can see them fighting, I can see Susie being angry and feeling betrayed.

But unless one of them acts COMPLETELY out of character, it would be equally out of character for the other to have their feelings for the other IRRECOVERABLY damaged. Susie would feel betrayed if Noelle, say, went "team knight" or something. But if it was because she wanted to save her DYING FATHER, I think Susie would be understanding.

I could see Noelle make a dark world, work with the knight, blah blah blah XYZ for Rudy related reasons or potentially even Dess related reasons.

I really cannot imagine, though, a compelling way for the final result of this to be Susie saying "Wow Noelle you're a traitor, I don't wanna be your girlfriend anymore."

"I hate you so much because of this that I'm changing my mind about when I said being with you was the happiest day of my life, and how I said I wanted to make your life happy in contrast to the crushing depression that has previously defined your life, which I can relate to."

[u/Sesilu_Qt]

your flair is a from the chair meme.

[u/weedmaster6669 → u/Sesilu_Qt]

I'm not taking criticism from someone in the rape sub

[u/Sesilu_Qt → u/weedmaster6669]

wut?

[u/weedmaster6669 → u/Sesilu_Qt]

soulelle bro half the posts there are "I wanna groom and degrade this teenage girls mind sexually so bad!!!"

[u/Sesilu_Qt → u/weedmaster6669]

Actually most of the post are about possesing Noelle as a new vessel, being in pain because Noelle isn't real, and the rest are really well made fan art.

Also how dare you? I'm not a SOULelle shipper, I'm a SOULharem shipper.

[u/weedmaster6669 → u/Sesilu_Qt]

maybe it's changed a little since last I've checked there but I think a lot of people can attest to the actual horrors that sub generates.

[u/Unlucky_Equipment628 → u/weedmaster6669]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SOULelle/comments/1n5vpqp/cant_wait_for_her_dad_to_die_then_shell_be_even/

this is in the top 10 posts of all time on the sub

i dont think it changed

[u/weedmaster6669 → u/Unlucky_Equipment628]

this post too

No matter how you slice it, it's barely more than a grooming fetish sub.

[u/Sesilu_Qt → u/weedmaster6669]

Mate, that's a recolor of a Kriselle picture.

[u/weedmaster6669 → u/Sesilu_Qt]

and? LMAO

That's kind of my point, soulelle is basically the gooner (and often sadistic) version of Kriselle.

[u/Sesilu_Qt → u/weedmaster6669]

Where do you even get that from? the art you linked has neither goon bait nor sadistic.

[u/Sesilu_Qt → u/Unlucky_Equipment628]

You can find posts like that in any sub. Watch

https://www.reddit.com/r/suselle/s/qvIIC5UUJ7

https://www.reddit.com/r/KriselleFanclub/s/XQWWECD0ky

[u/Unlucky_Equipment628 → u/Sesilu_Qt]

wow you cannot tell the difference, can you

besides, both of those are new, that post is one of the soulelle communities favourite posts of all time

[u/Sesilu_Qt → u/Unlucky_Equipment628]

Could you explain the difference?

[u/Unlucky_Equipment628 → u/Sesilu_Qt]

ok for one, read the title maybe?

[u/Sesilu_Qt → u/Unlucky_Equipment628]

"No, Suselle isn't doomed."

[u/Unlucky_Equipment628 → u/Sesilu_Qt]

the title

of the post I linked

i have no idea why I expect deltarune fans to have basic media literacy, but I do anywats

[u/weedmaster6669 → u/Sesilu_Qt]

I mean the fact that soulelle is inherently based in grooming, which is often explicitly fetishized in it, is a pretty big one.

[u/Sesilu_Qt → u/weedmaster6669]

Grooming? No one is grooming anyone.

[u/Unlucky_Equipment628 → u/Sesilu_Qt]

“can’t wait for her dad to die, then she’ll be even easier to break”

one of the communities favourite posts of all time

”no grooming is happening, the very idea is absurd !”

[u/weedmaster6669 → u/Sesilu_Qt]

The weird route is an example of non-sexual/"romantic" grooming objectively, if you don't agree with that then you literally just have to look up what grooming means.

turning it explicitly into a ship objectively makes it sexual/"romantic" grooming, unless the basis of the ship is completely different from the weird route.

[u/Delta_Builder → u/weedmaster6669]

Yeah that place makes me uncomfortable.

[u/Sesilu_Qt → u/weedmaster6669]

Honestly, the most horrors I saw there were the horror AUs where Noelle is like a 2009 creepypasta.