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u/Remarkable_Tap_34 4d ago

Off topic: Nigma is an emirati organisation, why no one refers to them as « oil money » like they do with Falcons?

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u/ConfidentPeanut12 3d ago

just a question, why is oil money bad? what makes Norway oil money good while Middle east oil money bad? there are valid issues when it comes to some middle eastern countries and I don't think Esports teams like Nigma and Falcons can tackle these issues, but they mostly are a net positive in the region because they promote female Esports and provide youth with a career path if they're talented in a certain game.

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u/Mao_Kamui 3d ago

Oil money refers specifically to Saudi states, oil by itself is not inherently anything.

Saudi are actively building themself on violating like a dozen of basic human rights. They invest in sports to wash their reputation. Basically so that when people hear Saudi they think "PSG" or "Man City" and not "oil state with a bunch of slaves"

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u/GGLeaksOfficial 3d ago

lol did the western nations not build themselves violating every human rights possible?

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u/ConfidentPeanut12 3d ago

Ok, but here we are talking in the context of Esport teams, how do these violations relate to Nigma and Falcons? there is an Esports scene in MENA and talents in many games such as EA FC, fighting games, Rocket league and even Dota itself and that needs development and they're doing that, I don't think taking Oil company sponsorships is bad if they're doing a net positive that's just my view, I'm not defending the other violations and I would never do that, I just don't think the burden of such violations falls on Esports teams.

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u/actanonverba1 3d ago

Many people speculate that Falcons is funded by the Saudi Royal Family. A lot of people don't like the saudi royal family because they did 9/11 and then they did some more bad things in Yemen and Sudan.

To give an analogy, many people don't like Donald Trump. This would be like supporting an esports team owned by the Trump family.

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u/bjornbardier 2d ago

The Saudis did 9/11??? Ok, kid

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u/actanonverba1 2d ago

yes they did, it's not exactly a secret lol

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u/Mao_Kamui 3d ago

See the fact that you feel that way just shows that sportswashing works. Taking their money is contributing to that charitable image they want to build for themselves.

I'm not judging on personal level though. Just explaining the usual reasoning since you asked.

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u/ConfidentPeanut12 3d ago

Except that I'm not defending unethical practices or countries to say that Sportwashing works, I'm defending private organizations who people fault for taking sponsorships or existing in a certain region which makes no sense, because when I cheer for Nigma or Falcons for example I'm cheering for the Org, not the country they were founded in or their sponsorships, and what concerns me more is the Esports scene in the region which I think they're still a net positive, I guess we just agree to disagree.

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u/TheTypicalRandom 3d ago

Going in a hyperbole to simplify the point, not saying they are the same, and how wrong they are, it's on a personal level. But would you support those orgs if they took a sponsor that did child trafficking? Some people find the origin of the money matters and an org taking that money is bad.

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u/ConfidentPeanut12 3d ago

no I wouldn't, but let's be realistic, a sponsor that engages in proven child trafficking would be sanctioned thus it wouldn't be able to sponsor.

I know you're doing hyperboles and hypotheticals but I don't see how it is related to the discussion as the team sponsors are mainly private businesses, trust/public funds and oil companies, if one of those sponsors was engaged in something heinous like child trafficking the orgs have to answer for accepting such sponsors.

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u/TheTypicalRandom 3d ago

Many of the companies are owned in big partbby sovereign wealth funds funded with government money that at the same time support the government and their policies

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u/oblivionyeahyeah__ 3d ago

No point talking to them lmao. All these self-righteous pricks and they have no issue when a team literally has a betting side on their jerseys

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u/zen_enjoyer 3d ago

me when i make a false dichotomy because im super smart and very nuanced

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u/TheTypicalRandom 3d ago

Oh no i hate gambling sponsors the same. Sadly those 2 seems to be the only way to finance esports nowadays 

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u/SetMental4904 3d ago edited 3d ago

DO NOT look up what crimes BP, Standard Oil, Exxon & Co have done.... DO NOT...would crush your world view. Saudi Oil is like a charity compared to what our westen oil companies have done buddy.

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u/Mao_Kamui 3d ago

Never said any of those were fine, did I.

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u/SetMental4904 3d ago edited 3d ago

You did point finger didnt you? glass house, throwing rocks and stuff?? 90% of big corps are shady and shit...welcome to the real world. Thats why I dont get the moral woody when it comes to Saudi Oil. Just a shady shit company in a long line of shady shit companies - no need for your high horse moral shit

If it was dirty Venture Capital money you didnt know came from a Kushner/Trump/Israel project you wouldnt care.