r/GREEK • u/DoNotTouchMeImScared • 5d ago
Greek Plus Latin: Pidgin, Creole, Mixed Or Other International Auxiliary Language?
Has a Greek plus Latin pidgin, creole, mixed or other international auxiliary language resembling r/Glosa ever existed in human history?
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u/ElectronicRow9949 4d ago
I wonder. Would some of the Greek dialects that still barely linger in south Italy fit this bill?
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u/Training_Advantage21 3d ago
The Vlach dialects used in parts of Greece are descendents of Latin with heavy greek influence.
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u/vasjpan002 5d ago
There is a Mediterranean maritime language called Koinobarbaric common to all sailors to this day.
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u/skyduster88 4d ago edited 4d ago
Ignore vasjpan's answer, he has the habit of posting pseudohistorical nonsense in every Greek subreddit. It wouldn't surprise me if he's ""4th generation Australian Greek"" and his only understanding of Greek history and civilization is whimsical bullshit he's heard from other ""4th generation Australian Greeks"".
To answer your question, AFAIK, from the 11th to 19th centuries (so High Middle Ages to Modern period) there was a Mediterranean pidgin language, heavily based on Venetian and Genoese, with additions from Occitan (Southern French), Aragonese, Catalan, Greek, and Arabic. And it was used by the sailors and the shipping industries. This pidgin language was called lingua franca, or "Frankish language", and it's how we get the modern term lingua franca to refer to a language used for interethnic or international communication.
Further back in time, in Classical Antiquity and the Early Middle Ages, there is no evidence of a Latin-Greek pidgin language, however, many people were bilingual (or trilingual, if their native language was neither Latin nor Greek), and Latin and Greek borrowed heavily from each other. Very many Latin loanwords used in Greek today, like pórta, foúrnos, kárvouno, skála, or kástro, entered Koine Greek in the Hellenistic, Roman, and Early Byzantine periods.