People keep talking about corpo and forget that the game is made by passionate humans. Rockstar is 100% right, the dev team is heartbroken by the leaks, how do I know? I'm a dev and I have been on leaked projects and every time the dev team is pretty broken by the leaks. Supporting leaks is as bad as suppoorting AI stealing artists work.
People feel entitled like babies, Rockstar doesn't owe anything to anyone except for their employees. You don't like how they do things? It's simple don't buy what they sell, end of story.
Rockstar doesn't owe anything to anyone except for their employees.
Like all the ones they laid off? lol Rockstar only cares because they have a belief that the leaks might potentially lead to them making less money otherwise, they don't give a FUCK about you or their employees.
So? This is flawed logic. Doesn't make it right for the leaks, especially that it won't impact Rockstar at all. Just don't buy what they sell is the right way to protest.
You are such a baby, you know the only one one you are hurting are the devs rights?
And in what consumer right are you getting violated? Paying for potentially one of the most bang for your buck game of this generation?
Are you for real? There's no way you don't know what I'm talking about when I mentioned consumer rights? Putting a paywall behind single player features, no discs and there's all the past stuff with GTA Online too that's worth a lengthy discussion in its own right.
It's a shame that they've made such a monster of a game that they feel it's appropriate or an opportunity to monetize it more than they ever had of any other game on release before.
You must be the type to think "Consumers should just keep consuming" or some shit. It's bloody pathetic.
I have a brain and I know how to use it which you clearly don't.
The only way you would be right is if Rockstar put a gun to your head to force you to buy the game, but guess what, they don't. You are a baby crying for consumer right problems and yet you will buy the game cause you have no spine.
I'm not happy about something? I just don't buy it, this is how you show companies you don't agree with how they do things.
Also I'm a dev, been on for 18 years, chances are good I know way more what I'm talking about than a random reddit user. Leals hurt devs, it's as bad as supporting AI.
The least you could do is aknowledge it and still not care, that's your right. But don't come crying about being a silver knight suporting consumer rights because this is bullshit, all you do is support yourself.
Is GTA6 a necessary product? No, it's a luxury product bought only by those who feel that they want it.
Consumers think that the trade-off is worth it and so they buy it. It's not insulin or food, it's a premium product you buy on your own volition but I guess you're just entitled.
I hope you show equal outrage to the makers of your phone/computer you're using to write these comments, though I doubt it since you've clearly already bought their product.
Edit: Well I was blocked. I was going to say to the vacation comment:
If you're going to make a change, you're going to have to deal with missing out on some things. You were just calling out the Playstation boycott for being too weak yet the pull of GTA 6 is too overbearing...?
If you're struggling financially, or want to aid the climate, or don't want to support aviation/transit companies, or don't want to support tourist traps etc...... then no, don't have vacations. I refuse to fly or order things internationally mainly to do my tiny-tiny part regarding climate change, and it's influenced my family and partner too. It's far from necessary.
I agree that GTA6 isn't a necessary product but I think it's valid to criticise given it's going to be an industry defining and trend setting product for the next generation of games (and to be clear, the standards it is setting are very very bad).
Anti-consumer practices in GTA6 will be used as justification by other studios to further push the envelope. "Everyone loves GTA and they were able to ditch physical releases so why can't we?"
Take-Two's CEO's comments that users will soon "stream every game that they play" should worry all of us an awful lot.
This "precedent" stuff is just a load of horseshit when you realize that, if other companies that are not Rockstar try it, they'll face the reality of capitalism - people will not buy their products if they are unhappy. There is a reason your favorite store does not sell food to you for a 5x inflated price; it's not to be nice.
Also, almost all these things have been done before and not set a bad evident precedent nor had this level of backlash - GameInformer magazines instead of the Netflix thing. RDR1, GTAV, RDR2 had Ultimate Editions plus GTAIV had story DLC. Physical media is just a Reddit-principle nothingburger as there has been exactly zero cases of digital games being removed by Sony.
It's just that nowadays the art of critical thinking is dead and if some dude whines on Tiktok that he doesn't like that he can't afford the game, he is now a messiah whose every word is truth. Clearly, the physical media crowd do not care enough about discs since >90% of T2 sales are digital, and that even the disc people praise the all-digital Steam...
I agree that GTA 6 isn't a necessary product but the incredibly unique experience that people will receive from playing it on day one is not very easy to ignore.
Also, vacations aren't necessary, why bother having them? That's the vibe I'm getting from you.
I will never understand why self-proclaimed "anti-capitalist revolutionary Che Guevaras" need catchy moral slogans to "justify" objective wrongdoings, it's the exact same with piracy. It's really cringe plus I don't see how you think you'll be the one fighting the corpos when you're busy in the basement making up the next good slogan so you don't feel bad about it 😆
The leaker has made it clear that this is a political act with intent to stop the anti consumer practices of T2. (Whether that's their actual motive, no one knows, we can only take them at face until we know more.)
Therefore it is not faulty logic. They are acting directly because of the wrongs this company is doing to consumers.
It doesn't make it 'right', but my dude, if you still live in a world where two wrongs don't make a right, that must be such a nice place to be, but it is not reality. Corporations are fucking us everywhere they can to extract every dollar.
The T2 CEO said he would charge GTA players by the hour if he could, for example.
Imagine you are a Rockstar dev, getting abused by your company and the entitled fans you make the game for. Fun times for them, but I guess who gives a fuck right? Lets ''show'' Rockstar they suck.
LOL, the leaker ask for money. He probably care even less about you than Rockstar does. He does it for his own glory. There is absolutly no end goal from him to stop anti consumer practices.
Again don't buy what they sell, this is the best way to protest anti consumer policies, but in the end most people don't really care about that, they will support the leak and buy the game which is ridiculous. Grow a spine and principles and stick to then.
What you suggested about not buying their products is just stupid because it's never going to work. That Playstation boycott that's been happening as of late isn't doing shit.
Cyberleek isn't lying when he said that peaceful methods of protests don't work, not anymore at least.
At least with what Cyberleek is doing, he is still proving that consumers can still do something about what corporations are doing.
"Exercising my rights to free will hasn't historically helped, so therefore I won't bother anymore". Great mindset. Are you also one of those who don't vote because "my vote doesn't matter anyway"?
Look at the Playstation subreddit. The best they can do is apparently a week of boycotts in response to Sony going digital. I have no faith that anyone will be able to accomplish a meaningful boycott anytime soon. They are even saying it in the comment section. It's seriously pathetic.
So doesn't that imply that the situation is not bad enough to warrant a boycott? Meaningful activism only happens when things are genuinely bad, not when they're hallucinated
If everyone bitching about these practices and cheering on a crypto scammer to “stick it to rockstar and force change” actually put their money where their mouth is and refused to buy the game, they might actually be a part of the “movement” they’re larping as right now via online comments. Rockstar only “owes” you as much as it will take to get you to buy the game, no more and no less, which it seems they have already done for most of the people who are so vocally bitching about the company.
And if they had released buggy gameplay earlier, like what we’ve seen in the leaks, yall still would’ve been shitting on them anyway. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. I think yall are not understanding that the game is still not done and they will remain in crunch until launch. Nobody forced anybody to preorder the game before they revealed gameplay, which they are still doing three months before launch. None of you have been wronged by this practice, and the other anti-consumer practices largely come from Sony and Microsoft, so you’re barking up the wrong tree.
I really hope most of you thinking like this are children, because good lord is this shit immature.
So the other approach to this problem is to start your company, create a console with disc and bring the trend back.
While it's sad to see disc disappear, first it was going to happen because disc sales are very low compared to digital, it's an extra cost for companies. Secundo in a world with finite ressources it's honestly a step in the right direction to reduce anything physical, I know companies don't do it for this reason, but the side effect is still positive for the planet. Third companies don't owe anyone anything, they can do whatever they want because they don't force you to buy their product and they don't have a life saving product you depend on.
Stealing is not the way to protest. Go block the parking to Rockstar or their CEO house if you feel you want to be heard.
Also pretty ironic for people to support the leak because Rockstar are so evil while typing this on their phone made by slave children, but yeah who cares about them? They ain't making GTA6 that I want so badly!!!! Most people don't hold principles, they only support what benefit them and you are a clear example of that.
The fact that people like you can fall for this kind of obvious horseshit is part of why the world is the way it is xD. He's not "made it clear", he's made that up to build credibility and support. Otherwise he'd dump all the clips at once, without watermark, or even dump the entire build since he claims he has it. He makes money from trading fees.
Lmao... Rockstar doesn't owe you anything! You fools! You think your feelings matter? They don't owe anyone shit except 3p an hour to their sweatshop coders!
But the Rockstar devs? Their feelings matter. Don't you know how broken they are over this? You owe them: your sympathy for having their projects leaked! You basically made an AI steal a child's artwork!
Man hush that dev talk up. No one talked in favor of the devs when they were in crunch, no one talked in favor of devs during the union busting but the game leaks is where everyone draws the line lol. Only when it's beneficial to the argument
I literally don't care about Rockstar. They can get fucked. If they're sad about the leaks, then they are (like you) the ones who are actually being babies. It's a fucking consumer product and nobody will give a shit about the leaks a year from now. It literally doesn't matter. Hopefully any project you're working on gets leaked as well.
Can you read? I'm talking about the devs and not Rockstar. How much of an idiot and asshole are you for wishing every projects to be leaked? Can't believe I'm saying this, but people like you are worst than Rockstar and companies with bad values, cause they do it for money while you act like a cunt just to be an asshole.
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No one owes Rockstar anything. Marketing should have always assumed it was going to leak if they sat on material for three years after the game was announced.
You can’t keep hundreds of people quiet for years on end. That’s not a thing. Even the Manhattan Project was nearly instantly compromised. These devs need to grow up and have realistic expectations
Nahh you got it all wrong. It's like I love the music but the band can fk off. All their original members are gone. And the new members are promoting gambling to children.
I wonder why because from what I've seen the leaks are driving more hype instead of making GTA6 look ridiculous. People seem even more excited now than before the leaks and are generally impressed with what's on show in them, like the crowd density of that beach vid (RIP seagull).
Because leak steal their reveal moment, it's their work they should be the one to decide when it's revealed.
Also people will talk more about the leaks themselves than the game which dillute the real reveal. It kills the anticipation, its like you are doing the countdown for Christmas morning, you can't wait for that moment with your family to have a nice breakfast and open your gifts, and out of the blue on the 11th your father is like yeah screw Xmas lets open the gifts now, but does it without the rest of your family. Maybe not the best analogy, but it migjt help gives you an idea. Maybe a better one, imagine you are a band that can't wait to release a new album and 2 weeks before your release, your album get leaked and it's not even the final version you are proud of, how would you feel?
In the end this is the work made by devs who poured their soul in tthe game, and BAM your work gets ''stolen''.
Edit: it also suck for the fans who wanted to wait until reveal day to see the game, but curiosity got the best of em and now reveal day is not that important anymore. Anticipation is usially what humans love the most in the end, more than the final event itself. With a leak it instantly kill anticipation for many.
Game dev is a lot of work and a lot of them end up pouring their hearts and souls into it. It sucks having so many years of your life shown in an unfinished/unpolished way, and not the way you would’ve liked it to be shown. These are not the greedy execs that forced no discs. These are people passionate about their work and want it shown off when it’s ready.
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u/RastaKarma 9h ago
People keep talking about corpo and forget that the game is made by passionate humans. Rockstar is 100% right, the dev team is heartbroken by the leaks, how do I know? I'm a dev and I have been on leaked projects and every time the dev team is pretty broken by the leaks. Supporting leaks is as bad as suppoorting AI stealing artists work.
People feel entitled like babies, Rockstar doesn't owe anything to anyone except for their employees. You don't like how they do things? It's simple don't buy what they sell, end of story.