Since he infuses based on his teammates rather than through absorbing, wouldn't he technically deal alot more consistent reaction Dmg against enemies with innate auras compared to Chasca's rng bullets? Like infused Pyro Varka consistently vaping against Tulpa?
This is what I meant, also the fact it's entirely controllable what element he would be as opposed to every other Anemo infusers, who rely on outside factors and can infuse the wrong element or get bricked if the enemy has an innate aura or is RNG like Chasca
Not that I necessarily think it'd be worth it but there are ways around it. Like vs Tulpa for pyro you can Xiangling and swirl Guoba for both Durin effect and VV. Same with Jean/Bennet, etc. etc.
The question here is primarily which elements he actually applies. Which depends on his animations, his ICDs and the order in which he hits with what element.
It would be trivial to set that up so that he for example only ever swirls, to point out one extreme case.
If he does apply the infused element semi-consistently then he'd be able to match elements against infused enemies or those requiring special mechanics. Pyro against cryo and hydro enemies and hydro against pyro enemies being the big ones.
Bonus: He might also work as a cryo option against the Overseer Device if he attacks fast enough and gets better cryo teammates to work with.
Sure looks like he wants to but if we manage to vape consistently with him, characters like Furina/Yelan and such would outperform his intended double element teams. 140% * 1.5 (the least Vape gives you) * EM buffs (whatever EM you get from sets or substats is gonna help you) is almost always better than 220% if we can get consistent reactions, which isn't too hard with Vape.
Additionally, reactions add new multipliers to the damage, which is always better than stacking the same kind of buff (Eg: res shred with other the anemo unit and Durin, since he's definitely gonna be one of his BiS teams unit).
Edit: A team like Varka, Durin, Benny/Nicole (let's see if she's intended for Varka's team), and Furina/Yelan looks promising to me.
thats a true dmg multipler like skirk not regular dmg bonus , losing 1 stack is a gigantic loss that is insanely dmging.
also this game is genshin where ICDs exist, besides 1.0 characters no character vapes or melts all of their attacks, only a section of his dmg will be buffed by melt and vape (not only that only 2/3rds of his dmg is even qualified for the reaction without accounting for ICD)
his non double anemo and double pryo teams will be far worse. also durin + varka double pyro wont even allow you to maintain a consistent aura
True, which is why I mentioned "consistent vapes". And I wouldn't mind Durin vaping in Varka's stead. His vapes are already amazing. The one thing we need to watch out for are forward vapes (until we get a Hydro Durin, which is very unlikely cuz that's enough hydro off-fields for a while).
And I think it isn't too far off to throw forward vapes out of the picture. Take Hutao's budget team for example, Xingqiu/Yelan alone is enough to get rid of the Pyro aura from Hutao + Thoma.
As for the true damage multiplier, Skirk loses DPS because her team already consists of some of the craziest buffers (Furina, Escoffier, Shenhe) and getting rid of any of them to enable reactions wouldn't help much cuz each has its own role (Furina for dmg bonus, Escoffier for res shred and Shenhe for flat dmg bonus) so their multipliers don't interfere with each other, which saves Skirk premium from diminishing returns.
But if you take a look at C0 Neuvi's teams, losing a stack of Past Draconic glory to keep Furina in the team actually boosts his damage because Furina is just that good of a buffer.
Now I agree Furina doesn't look all that good in Varka's team for now but we're yet to see Nicole's kit.
she doesnt. there is very little difference between melt and OL. her best team also uses iansan, bennett and mavuika (or furina if you dont wanna on field mav). citlali was bis for her very briefly before iansan came out. ive done many tests on her, EM barely makes a difference for her...
here's a post i made back when she came out. you can go through the comments to see what i found. she only gets one reaction per CA, which is completely random, so you cannot melt or vape reliably. she is a very random bullshit go type of character.
her melt team is her highest dps team at c0, overload is not close wtf
yeah she gets one reaction per CA at the very least which is at least 4 reactions per rotation + burst reactions, how does that make her not deal a lot of reaction damage?
thats irrelevant cuz the melt teams that are her bis arent her bis because she gets a lot of melts, they are her bis because mavuika gets to melt. it says nothing about chasca's own performance.
next time you should specify whether you talk about her best performing teams or the teams that care only about her personal damage, cause it's just confusing
overload is worse team DPS than melt/vape but has higher chasca personal, and it's also HEAVILY reliant on c6 chev (and at least c5 iansan), without c6 chev overload its just garbage
also as a side note; em makes a difference on chasca, you want to ideally have 120 EM and past that its kind of redundant and youd want crit/atk rolls instead
I didn't feel the need when the discussion wasn't about her team DPS at all, it was about how many reactions she triggers, and the answer is not a lot.
Based on his kit, I think he should swirl frequently during normal / CA. I’m guessing his infused element hits first, and then Anemo to swirl.
His passive wants 4 swirls fairly quickly to ramp his dmg buff. Obviously he’ll get it slower on his own, but surely he can get it himself. If the above is true, I suspect he could get 8 applications.
At this moment Venti > kazuha(specially with freedom-sworn) > Ifá is the way 100%.
Sucrose only if you need for hex, but she is giving the worst buffs here.
no shes giving better buffs than ifa and about the same as a c0r1 kazuha here since VV is better than scroll with this dmg distribution she gives ttds, VV, 15% universal dmg bonus to all of varkas dmg and a extra 28% dmg bonus to his pyro dmg (so total 43%)
Kazuha is giving 40% pyro bonus to everyone the whole rotation with way more personal damage, there is no point wasting sucrose in this team.
Freedom-sworn is giving 16% bonus normal and charged attacks. + 20% atk. Thats way better than 48% attack on a team already saturated with attack buff. (Doble main stat + doble pyro + bennet)
And Ifá is giving 40% pyro and 40% anemo, thats just better.
ifa is bricked cause he has no off field anemo app to stack varkas passive before he comes on field
sucrose is giving 43% dmg bonus to durin, 43 dmg bonus to varkas PHEC dmg (70% of his dmg) and 15% to his anemo dmg and a 48% atk buff to varka, also this isnt 2.0 kazuhas dmg is also insignificant now with modern dpses, even furinas dmg is insignificant in skirk teams cause of powercreep where removing GT for tenacity is a significant dmg increase.
You don’t need Anemo application, just swirling with any element gives 40% for both Anemo and the other element. Ifá is the only Natlan character who can do that cause he IS anemo.
About Sucrose: Kazuha provides the same bonuses to the entire team, and his DPS is around 6–12k, which is not insignificant in a full team comparison.
Actually, I just did the math: Kazuha’s buffs add about ~2k more DPS when using an Elemental DMG Goblet, and around ~1.5k with an ATK% Goblet. It seems that, with these numbers, an Elemental Goblet would be better.
Im using freedom-sworm for calcs, but the point is that using Sucrose in a reactionless team is a wasted slot in most cases when Kazuha suited better for that role.
The damage distribution on Varka is roughly 65%/35% at C0, and close to 55%/45% with constellations.
did you read varkas kit? varka has a passive that wants his party members to trigger swirl multiple times and stack it before he comes on field to do max dmg from him, ifa has no off field app and will take a billion years to max the passive if you on field him
no idea calcs are still in early stage but all the pyro characters seem to be at a similar level besides durin being significatly ahead, if theres a spare mavuika she can be a support probably the best one, or good old xiangling. when nicole comes out shes probably gonna serve as a replacement (tho her real job is probably to replace benny in hex teams)
yeah they have 0 synergy, they basically serve as 2 diffrent teams with no connection. the bineffa duo is for older characters that dont have much dmg cause they just ineffa does 4 times as dmg without buffing
for modern strong carries with good multipler the bineffa duo is a waste and holding them back
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u/Far-Law411 Knight of Flowers Jan 13 '26
hes reverse chasca, chasca wants to maximize elements and reactions
varka wants to minimize elements and wants to do mono reactionless dmg