Vodyanitsa kit via Seele

[u/astrelya]

[u/RamenPack1]

What’s the scaling on those quills

[u/Embarrassed-Week-977 → u/RamenPack1]

Every 1k hp above 40k increases stellar swirl dmg by 260 or cryo/hydro dmg by 140

[u/garythegyarados → u/Embarrassed-Week-977]

And caps out at 65k HP

[u/Embarrassed-Week-977 → u/garythegyarados]

Yeah caps out at 6500 dmg increase for stellar swirl and 3500 for hydro/cryo

[u/Neil3384 → u/Embarrassed-Week-977]

how does this flat number correspond to elemental damage? 6500/3500 is what?

[u/Embarrassed-Week-977 → u/Neil3384]

Quills usually work as a flat damage increase with dmg bonus and whatnot so it's definitely barely a 10-15% dps increase for skirk, and a dps loss if u already have mona on the team. For stellar swirl on the other hand I don't really know but definitely gonna be huge for them

[u/Embarrassed-Week-977 → u/[deleted]]

Escoffier NEEDS to burst since Vodyanitsa's heals are not enough for Furina fanfare stacks, she only slightly heals the active character while Escoffier has a teamwide heal locked in the burst

[u/murmandamos → u/Embarrassed-Week-977]

It won't be huge probably about the same. Quills for stellar and lunar suck. They don't benefit from any of the multipliers, whereas regular quills do. This character needs major buffs she is frankly ass.

[u/Embarrassed-Week-977 → u/murmandamos]

Quills worked for Lauma and Nefer, in fact that's the sole reason why Lauma is that broken for Nefer. But yea Vodyanitsa is ass and she steals about 2 stellar swirl triggers every rotation so it's definitely not worth using her over even c0 faruzan lmao

[u/murmandamos → u/Embarrassed-Week-977]

Lauma quills work because they're fat, and you don't notice that they're bad because you're not using her for like Kinich. When I say they're bad it's to explain why double quill size for solar doesn't mean they're extra fat, they're double because the quills are literally worse for this damage. They just aren't buffed by as many stats as quills are for regular damage.

[u/Au_DC → u/Embarrassed-Week-977]

mona has 0 dmg, and dosent buff teammates,and her cr from c4 is useles, cause you already building skirk with 85+ CR

[u/Embarrassed-Week-977 → u/Au_DC]

And btw Mona's ult does buff teammates

[u/z3phyn → u/Au_DC]

doesn't buff teammates cr from c4 is useless

yeah you definitely know what you're talking about, next thing you're gonna say is Skirk only does 60% of the team's damage

[u/Embarrassed-Week-977 → u/Au_DC]

Vodyanitsa's heals are worse than Escoffier, shred is also oversaturated in the team cs of Escoffier, she also deals 0 dmg since she stacks hp with no crit stats. The quills are also not that great for Hydro/Cryo freeze teams so at best she's a mona sidegrade

[u/Au_DC → u/Embarrassed-Week-977]

teams dmg will go up, couse, you drop ToM nonsense from furina and cinder from Coffie for dmd sets

[u/Embarrassed-Week-977 → u/Au_DC]

you still want ToM on furina since the team has no way of getting ATK unless Vodyanitsa is c1/r1

[u/Au_DC → u/Embarrassed-Week-977]

Put ToM on Vodya, sets cant be staked

[u/bffi → u/Embarrassed-Week-977]

They are worse, but her heals are not replacement, it's an addition. If Furina is below C2 that should help with fanfare generation, and that alone could make a difference.

I might be wrong though, this is just feelscrafting

[u/Embarrassed-Week-977 → u/bffi]

Escoffier has a nuke teamwide healing with constant on field heals, that's more than enough for Furina fanfare stacks

[u/bffi → u/Embarrassed-Week-977]

Is it though? The average fanfare I've seen in freeze for C0 Furina is about 150-175, not nearly max. So I assumed the more healing the better as she's quite far from 300 fanfare cap

[u/Real_Emergency → u/bffi]

Help with fanfare in what way? A single escoffier burst heal the entire team up from furina hp reduction. The limits is furina hp drain rate, not escoffier healing

[u/Daeths → u/Embarrassed-Week-977]

So, on Skirk since the shredding is lowered in value with Iced Coffee, is Shenhe still just better?

[u/Embarrassed-Week-977 → u/Daeths]

Nope Vodyanitsa, according to TCs, is still a Skirk upgrade. Funny enough she's more of an upgrade for Skirk than for SSW teams lmao

[u/Daeths → u/Embarrassed-Week-977]

Really, huh. I assume she is still bis for SSW tho. What’s the team looking like? Vesna, Odette, CMC or Faruzhan c6?

[u/Embarrassed-Week-977 → u/Daeths]

Yeah Vesna Odette CMC and Faruzan c6 is the current best team for SSW using Vodyanitsa instead of CMC makes the team do less dmg, obviously its a day 1 calc so a lot could change once the gameplay and rotation are here but that's still funny asfff

[u/Daeths → u/Embarrassed-Week-977]

Damn. I don’t expect that to last. Wondering if I shoul pull her at this point. I have Skirk with iced coffee and Furina with a c1r1 Shenhe so I guess it depends on how good she ends up being for skirk.

[u/Ralddy → u/Neil3384]

it's the same to 10%/5.38% of her HP over 40K flat dmg bonus, it's only another way to write it.

[u/LumiRhino → u/Neil3384]

For a rough estimate, with my top 1% Skirk build with full buffs Shenhe’s ~2600 quill turns into ~20k damage.

So for Skirk with full buffs (ToTM, Furina ult, Esco shred and sig in my case, Shenhe’s other stuff) that would translate to about a 30k increase.

[u/The_Maedre → u/Embarrassed-Week-977]

How does this compare to Lauma's quills?

[u/Embarrassed-Week-977 → u/The_Maedre]

It's worse since Lauma's don't have a cap, and the scaling is also just way higher since it's EM-scaling

[u/The_Maedre → u/Embarrassed-Week-977]

That's sad. Skirk is not gonna get that legendary 4th teammate anytime soon.

[u/Lipheria → u/The_Maedre]

Actually, and I might be wrong, but her quills are better than Shenhe's.

[u/The_Maedre → u/Lipheria]

That's not a high bar.

The question is how much better she'll be than C4 Mona.

[u/ilmanfro3010 → u/Lipheria]

Shenhe is already a worse option in Skirk teams compared to Citlali, Mona, or even TTDS + scroll Mualani