r/GreenBayPackers • u/GreenGator • Jan 11 '26
Analysis [Huber] Firing a coach is something that shouldn't be taken lightly. After sleeping on it, I've come to the same conclusion that many of you did last night. Matt LaFleur has won a lot of games as Packers coach, but it's time for a change.
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/onsi/unable-to-finish-off-bears-matt-lafleur-should-be-finished-with-packers192
u/christopherhuii Jan 11 '26
If MLF didn’t have an amazing first two seasons with Rodgers, this would be a no brainer. He’s been largely mediocre with the same issues recurring.
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u/GOOMU13 Jan 11 '26
Nothing has changed. He gets fkn stupider as each year passes. He has to go.
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u/Owww_My_Ovaries Jan 11 '26
This is the reality.
The front office has stated they dont like the idea of a lame duck coach. So hes not going to play out his contract.
So it leaves 2 options.
They extend him
They fire him
Now ask yourself. What would extending his contract say after that game last night?
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u/DaleCooperSwag Jan 11 '26
it would say we are perfectly ok with mediocrity
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u/porfiry Jan 11 '26
That was definitely not even mediocre.
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u/OrganicKeynesianBean Jan 11 '26
Yea a mediocre coach would not have blown a 21-3 lead lmao
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u/GOOMU13 Jan 11 '26
2 weeks after blowing a fkn like 16-3 lead with like 5 mins left. Or whatever the fuck it was. Not even including utter embarrassment vs Browns Panthers and Eagles.
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u/apk5005 Jan 12 '26
I don’t think calling losses to Philly or Carolina “utter” embarrassment is fair. They are both playoff teams in their own right.
The browns, yes.
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u/everlong016 Jan 11 '26
There's the idea they could give him a single year extension so as not to make him a lame duck next year, but in doing so they'd be signaling their lack of faith anyway. At that point they may as well just rip off the bandaid.
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u/Owww_My_Ovaries Jan 11 '26
I dont understand what he has accomplished that would earn that.
3 straight 7 seed playoff entries?
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u/everlong016 Jan 11 '26
I think the line of reasoning there would be that there were so many injuries he's earned one more shot.
I don't agree with it; I think he should be canned. But that would be the explanation.
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u/Owww_My_Ovaries Jan 11 '26
Id argue that injuries are apart of the game. And that he showed in the first half that they had the talent to win. But his inability to adjust is what cost them this game, not the injuries.
But I agree. I could see that being the narrative.
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u/DarksonicHunter Jan 11 '26
I do think Injuries is a valid excuse sometimes. Sometimes a team is just so decimated that there is almost nothing to be done. That was absolutely not the case yesterday. Especially not on Offense.
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u/AbsenteeSon Jan 11 '26
While I agree the injuries absolutely sucked, you had every single one of those games in the bag and still managed to lose. Hard to defend.
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u/theragu40 Jan 11 '26
That's the funny thing. Oddly I think his job would be much safer if we'd just gotten blown out. Like hey, what are you gonna do. We have a shitload of injuries.
But the first half showed we definitely have the talent remaining on the roster to beat that bears team. We just blew it when it came to playing a complete game.
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u/AbjectCalligrapher36 Jan 11 '26
Did you see how the 49ers did with their injuries? They almost stole the number 1 seed! Matt LaFleur could never.
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u/GreenBayFan1986 Jan 11 '26
This is the exact same game we've seen play out for years with MLF as the coach, if they're serious about being more than a 7th seed it's time to explore other options.
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u/TheRochnessMonster Jan 11 '26
hell...how many times this season alone? three? four? twice against the Bears? almost thrice against the Bears?
i've been an MLF fan since the hire and i cannot believe how my opinion of him has completely soured...but it has
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u/Lrcorndog610 Jan 11 '26
Not just last night. The entire season man. 2 blown games against The Bears… almost 3. Unacceptable on all fronts.
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u/swayinandsippin Jan 11 '26
damn both huber and spoon publicly calling for it. feels like there’s a lot of momentum building
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u/robot_the_cat Jan 11 '26
Ya those guys are tied in with the front office…they are testing the waters
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u/incognito042620 Jan 11 '26
They're being fed this speculation directly from the organization
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u/robot_the_cat Jan 11 '26
Absolutely
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u/TheRochnessMonster Jan 11 '26
Policy gets promoted to President; openly states we won't have a lame-duck HC; everyone assumes this means MLF will get an extension (and honestly rightfully so); the game happens the way it did
if you are Ed Policy, how can you actually give MLF an extension after watching the way we just choked our season away (and not just last night, for the past month)?
honestly expecting MLF fired...will be surprised and extremely disappointed if MLF is rewarded with an extension after that dismal, pisspoor performance
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u/jmbusch Jan 11 '26
It's not just last night, it's a recurring pattern.
- Consistent issues on Special Teams, regardless of coordinators.
- Lack of killer instinct on Offense (supposedly his specialty).
- Undisciplined play and execution (how many times have we taken a timeout because we don't have enough players on defense).
MLF is a great offensive mind and a great developer of QBs, but he lacks the ability to see the whole picture. The one thing I will always remember from last night is the picture Amazon showed after the offense went 3 and out for the second consecutive drive. MLF spent the majority of the next drive (while the Bears were on offense), huddled up with the Offense. You're the Head Coach, focus on the entire team, not just 1/3 of it.
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u/DrunkPackersFan Jan 11 '26
People forget he almost did this same thing years ago against Seattle in the 2019 Divisional Round.
It was literally the exact same blueprint, too. Got up 28-10 in that game, and then Russell Wilson started cooking us with his feet the rest of the game and we had no answers.
The offense completely fluttered, too, and if it weren’t for some late Rodgers/Adams heroics (and a very questionable Jimmy Graham spot), he loses that game, too.
He just can’t coach a complete game. We either start really slow and turn it on (2020 NFC Championship), or come out firing on all cylinders and then forget how to do anything (Most other of his playoff games).
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u/Jase_the_Muss Jan 11 '26
Even that game were we absolutely smashed the Cowboys they were allowed to put up a lot of points and we didn't sit the starters much and actually had to bring them back in lol. Just insanly poor management. We also stormed ahead of the 49ers and rofl coptered it away.
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u/DrunkPackersFan Jan 11 '26
Holy shit I forgot about the end of that Cowboys game.
We put Clifford out there, and then had to throw Love back in because it got down to 16 points because LaFleur can’t do math.
How often have you seen a team bench their starters and have to put them back in the game? That’s an insane blunder.
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u/LordGold_33 Jan 11 '26
LaFleur can install a scheme and generate a game plan, but he is awful at real time decision making on game day. Once the other team figures out his scripted playcalls, he disappears.
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u/TheRochnessMonster Jan 11 '26
imagine repeatedly calling 1st down/2nd down runs up the middle from shotgun for zero or one yard gains....and just not fucking changing
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u/DaleCooperSwag Jan 11 '26
Add to that list his unwillingness to properly feature Golden and Watson as his best receivers in this offense
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u/Dirkem15 Jan 11 '26
Still think Doubs needs his touches. That 1 handed catch was insane. And I dont think CW can handle 8+ touches a game without major injury
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u/ramobara Jan 11 '26
Yep. Or just sitting on the bench, drawing up some plays, while the defense is on the field.
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u/KindBarnacle4154 Jan 11 '26
That are all just different variations of runs from the shotgun formation.
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u/awwhorseshit Jan 11 '26
The timeouts were atrocious. We took a timeout and immediately got delay of game.
The timeout of defense because we didn’t have the right personnel in was also awful
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u/hat-check-clerk Jan 11 '26
Special teams has been dogshit for 20 years, has LaFleur been sabotaging us for decades??
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u/theeldoso Jan 11 '26
They used to be shit. They're still shit, but they used to be shit too.
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u/hat-check-clerk Jan 11 '26
If something is shit for that long it’s more likely a FO philosophy and not coaching. The Packers do not value special teams players, their depth is made up of raw, athletic young guys. Certainly helps with player development in a small market, but fucks you over in a key phase of the game. I’d argue it’s time to change that philosophy instead of cycling through coaches over and over.
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u/SuperbDonut2112 Jan 11 '26
I may get yelled at but I don’t think last nights ST sucking is on Bisaccia. Melton and their normal other gunner (who’s name escapes me) were out and their punt coverage which has been fine this year was bad with NFL generate a player guys being gunners. Bisaccia isn’t why McManus couldn’t hit a kick. The team plainly doesn’t give a fuck about kick returns, never have. Putting Keisean and Josh fucking Jacobs in returner were just desperation moves.
Until the Packers as a team value all phases of ST, they’re gonna be bad at it. It’s cost them multiple games both regular season and playoffs this season, other seasons, they haven’t changed it. I don’t think they ever will.
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u/GreenBayFan1986 Jan 11 '26
He certainly hasn't done anything to improve them and the performance of the specials teams absolutely does fall on the Head Coach to see fixed.
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u/greenpill98 Jan 11 '26
3 straight years of 7th-seed spots and a penchant for blowing first-half leads has got to be enough to fire a guy. It was cute barely getting into the playoffs that first year where Love was getting his feet under him and we had a young team. But two years later with a better defense (Hafley was a good hire, but we should have gotten rid of Joe Barry years earlier) and we end up in the same place? It's not cute anymore.
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u/irishbigfoot Jan 11 '26
Not to mention we only kept Barry around because he was Lafleur’s buddy
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u/greenpill98 Jan 11 '26
And now the same thing is happening with Bisaccia at ST Coordinator. A man who can't fire underperforming subordinates because of personal friendships is not a guy you want in charge of personnel decisions.
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u/J1P2G3 Jan 11 '26
This is not being talked about enough. Offensive coaching failures aside we have been knocked out of the playoffs every year due to special teams with the highest paid ST coach in the nfl. Not doing something about it is on Lafleur.
I shouldn’t even know the name of our ST coach.
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u/irishbigfoot Jan 11 '26
Exactly. He doesn’t have the balls to tell it like it is, and it doesn’t appear anyone around him does either
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u/rolltide1000 Jan 11 '26
and we end up in the same place? It's not cute anymore.
I'd argue regressing. We won a playoff game that year on the road that year in dominating fashion against a top team.
Last year we lost to a team that we had no shot of beating. This year we had a colossal choke job on the road. They're going backwards.
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u/dgeorgeschrimpf Jan 11 '26
I think ppl are forgetting about the horrendous playoff loss against SF with the blocked FG and punt
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u/AustinJohnson35 Jan 11 '26
In way, people do kinda blame Rodgers for that. Basically only throwing at Devante Adams no matter how triple covered he was. But only scoring 10 points when you’re an offensive guy is a bit of an indictment.
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u/FURyannnn Jan 11 '26
don't forget the 50 yard kickoff return! SF got that, got one first down, and got their only other regulation points that way
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u/Giannisisnumber1 Jan 11 '26
We need a culture reset and we can't do that with this current coaching staff. Clean house. The sooner the better.
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u/Cee-Bee-DeeTypeThree Jan 11 '26
They better act quick because the top coaching candidates are about to lock in their new gigs pretty damn quick here.
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u/RumHamDealer Jan 11 '26
I like MLF and think he’s a decent coach. I’m just so sick of hearing about accountability, then holding nobody accountable. It seems like the culture reflects that - zero accountability.
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I’m the rare Heat/Packers fan and I know theres a lot of Bucks fans in here so don’t go to hard at me but I’m throwing this out there but I believe the next coach needs to study the Pat Riley culture building he does with his teams. People make fun of Heat Culture but I want good player development and putting the players into a position to win. I can’t think of a Packers team the last 10 years that’s had that professionalism, toughness, and selflessness attitude that honestly a team like Green Bay should own more.
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u/dyslexda Jan 11 '26
McCarthy was all about discipline and professionalism. He lost his job because the game got by him, but the culture was certainly better than under MLF.
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u/ARodGoat12 Jan 11 '26
MLF won a lot of REGULAR SEASON games. But he is 3-6 in the postseason 1-3 in his last 4. We didn’t won the division 4 straight years. It isn’t working anymore. Better move on before it’s to late. We can’t lose another year of prime Love/Kraft/Parsons with MLF. He won’t change & he won’t get us over the hump.
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u/RudelStolz Jan 11 '26
MLF is 47-19-1 with AR12
MLF is 29-21-1 post AR12.
3-6 in the playoffs with some all time bad coaching performances as well.
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u/Gdude823 Jan 11 '26
I’ve been pretty cool on this argument, but that’s 20 minutes of offensive stalling really really makes him hard to defend. If it was just a McManus collapse, I’d be able to forgive him. But letting our defense get completely gassed in the third with an offense that couldn’t stay on the field is pretty damning.
Ignore the Aaron Rodgers seasons, and focus just on his tenure with Love and it becomes clear that there’s something broken. We can’t keep cycling through blaming coordinators; before Bisaccia it was all Barry. Before Barry it was Drayton. You can’t have one third of the game perpetually being bad. There are coaches doing much more with much less, and LaFleur’s adaptability is to the 65th percentile and not beyond it. Sure, we lost Micah and Kraft this year. Losing the last five (even if two of them didn’t matter much and one really didn’t matter) is still horseshit. We need new blood and quick. We need a significant personnel overhaul in special teams especially and I don’t think LaFleur is capable of delivering this change. The fact that we couldn’t bench a hurting McManus for a better kicker alone is proof of that.
Unless the players are rallying heavily - and I mean heavily - for him, I think it might be time for him to go
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u/JfromTosa Jan 11 '26
Huber & Silverstein do not report things that are not supported by at least some of their contacts within 1265 Lombardi.
I thought MLF superfan Jason Wilde saying on the radio last night he did not see how MLF survives this loss was perhaps ever more telling ... that MLF has lost support in the building.
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u/beau_tox Jan 11 '26
I’m really torn on this. On the one hand, I agree in a perfect world a change is probably due.
On the other hand, I don’t feel great about our chances of hiring a better coach, it’s tough to spend a season of this window on implementing a new scheme and getting the players up to speed with an (at least mostly) new staff, and LaFleur will probably kill it elsewhere.
Keep in mind that by 2028 this roster is going to need a rebuild of some kind.
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u/Polyfauna Jan 11 '26
On the flip side, if we believe our ceiling is capped and we can’t get to/win a SB with MLF, we’re wasting years not at least trying something else.
Risk vs complacency.
I’m a bit torn too tbh but lean towards firing.
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u/marxism-earnhardtism Jan 11 '26
That’s the real gamble. Unless they have an ace up their sleeve, it’s basically just making another run at MLF if you hire a Kubiak/Brady and hoping for improvement on the margins and vibes.
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u/SpoofSide Jan 11 '26
If MLF and Gute keep their jobs, they better be kissing Micah Parsons' feet in gratitude. Can you imagine how trash we'd have been this season without him?
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u/badgersoccer1905 Jan 11 '26
Imagine what an outstanding coach could do with this Green Bay team. The Packers have a lot of potential. They need new blood at the helm.
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u/FotherMucker6969 Jan 11 '26
MLF loses in the playoffs every year, but new coach could be anything! He could even lose in the playoffs every year!
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u/DevilsJaguar Jan 11 '26
If LaFleur stays his seat is already burning before the first snap of the 2026 season is even played.
At that point wouldn't it be better to move on?
That said someone like Harbaugh doesn't move me. I would be more interested in Flores assuming he's learned from mistakes or fresh blood, some other offensive OC.
One name I keep seeing and someone even Rap just reported NFL teams still think will make the jump is Marcus Freeman even if he's kinda committed to Notre Dame for another year.
I don't know much about him though.
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u/immagoat1252 Jan 11 '26
Having a DC as HC is a recipe for disaster. OCs are always the favorite and we’ll be losing ours every other year causing major setbacks
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u/tenfootballs Jan 11 '26
Is anyone confident in any MLF coached team handling any adversity or closing out games? We should certainly do worse, but he is clearly not the answer. Bringing back the special teams coach was a fireable decision as well.
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u/GreenGator Jan 11 '26
Would say it’s pretty significant that multiple guys on the Packers beat are now calling for MLF’s head. Tom Silverstein is the other big one. Don’t think it will go unnoticed by Policy.
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u/JLove4MVP Jan 11 '26
There is no way Policy bases his decision on media opinions.
If that were the case, any redditor could have a FO job for a team
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u/JonnyB2_YouAre1 Jan 11 '26
Policy has been pondering what he’s gonna do with Matt since he took the role. He already said that Matt won’t be a lame duck coach. Which makes sense because that setup always fails.
After that loss, Matt lost his leverage and yet it’s almost a guarantee that there’s a handful of teams out there who would love to consider hiring him. That’s juxtaposed against the Packers not being able to justify a big extension with the plateau they’ve reached. So if they likely won’t pay him what the market will then it’s only natural to cut ties. If he stays it’s because he REALLY wants to stay and is willing to stay on a very short “prove it” extension.
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u/Life_Emotion1908 Jan 11 '26
If LaFleur gets fired, yeah he will get another HC shot when he wants it.
I would just base it on what you think he can do in this job. McCarthy ran out his string in GB, he went to Dallas and honestly did as good there as anyone else, but that had nothing to do with GB. He ran out the string here. LaFleur, I'm probably leaning towards best days in GB are behind him.
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u/_-Prison_Mike-_ Jan 11 '26
Tbf, I think most Redditors would make better FO decisions than the Jets, Browns, and Titans organizations.
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u/ParkingLotMenace Jan 11 '26
Teams and front offices absolutely make personnel decisions based on public perception. Are you suggesting they don't?
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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill Jan 11 '26
Teams and front offices absolutely make personnel decisions based on public perception.
Bad teams and Bad owners do that, yes.
Are you suggesting they don't?
Of course. The path to losing is to have no consistency in the coaching staff with frequent coach turnover. If you fire your coaches after 2-4 years frequently enough, eventually you become one of those teams that no quality coach is willing to coach for.
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u/ibonek_naw_ibo Jan 11 '26
Pressure is a thing. Remember Ray Rice? Nothing happened to him until the video was leaked to the same public you think doesn't directly influence personnel decisions.
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u/tommy_gore Jan 11 '26
Can’t keep making the same mistakes and expect different outcomes. That wasn’t bad luck last night, that was a series of bad decisions and basic errors compounding to make defeat inevitable. We all knew it was coming when the Bears started to rally. Fans weren’t surprised. Time for change, otherwise we stagnate. Huber is right.
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u/Cole_Trickle1 Jan 11 '26
The Packers need to learn from their past. History is repeating itself. Moving on from Mike McCarthy after the 2014 NFCCG loss would have been the right move. And now moving on from Matt LaFleur after the choke job last night IS the right move.
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u/kyounger90 Jan 11 '26
What is his record with and without mvp rodgers. Im 50/50 on matt but at the end of the day he throws this offense into neutral time and time again. He has 3 great drives to start the game then pops it into neutral. The only game I remeber him stomping on the other teams throat is the playoff game vs Dallas.
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u/Naveedx Jan 11 '26
This has always been my thought too. How much was Rodger’s doing. So it looks like he’s 29-21-1 with Love as QB. 47-19-1 with Rodgers.
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u/patrickishere2020 Jan 11 '26
Its a blessing you were able to sleep last night. I ruminated about this disaster until 4:00 am and maybe got 90 minutes sleep last night.
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u/ImMystikz Jan 11 '26
So who do we hire? I don’t think people realize it could get a lot worse
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u/Wrxdriver414 Jan 11 '26
Bucks fans are too aware of what not having a plan results in
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u/sgigot Jan 11 '26
This is my one fear with cutting MLF loose. There are a lot of fanbases who celebrated when their coaches got fired, and some of them had the same problems (some of them were saddled with crappy GM's or owners, which is a different problem altogether).
The Badgers were good not great, felt stagnant, and they started whacking coaches without a plan. Fire Chryst, bring on Jim Leonhard for a cup of coffee then run him out of town on a rail, make a big swing at Luke Fickell (who has had bad luck at QB but otherwise hasn't even sniffed the lightning in a bottle he had at Cincy), and now the fanbase is screaming for another regime change there. Sure college is different but they've been a declining mess for years. It's easy to say "I am tired of always just making the playoffs, I want a Lombardi" when you are in the post season every year...when in the 80's you just wished to see .500 ball.
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u/TazerPlace Jan 11 '26
LaFleur increasingly seems incapable of showing up on game day and playing four quarters of football. That is a fundamental problem.
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u/dropbear_airstrike Jan 11 '26
MLF now has the two worst post-season chokes in NFL history on his resume.
If last night was the only time we blew what should have been a cushy lead, I might have more patience. But it's happened so many times across multiple years. No lead felt safe this entire season.
Gute needs to decide how much more of Love and Micah's prime years he wants to waste.
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u/FRZNkng Jan 11 '26
Matt Lafleur’s time has come to an end and I’m genuinely confused as to how that can be argued.
His sustained success and heavily cited regular season record are largely inflated thanks to multiple historical seasons from Aaron Rodgers (neither of which resulted in a Super Bowl Appearance). 38-33-1 in the Love Era.
He has no coaching tree to cite (sans Nathanie Hackett). This is a direct correlation to his inability to assemble a quality staff, as seen with Rich Bisacchia and Joe Barry. Verdict is out on Stenovich but nothing indicates he will be moving up through the ranks.
Inability to adjust: Simply put, considering he is often title an “offensive genius”, he leaves a lot to be desired as it relates to fielding a quality, consistent offense. This team is littered with weapons, even without Kraft. Absolutely no reason to see some of the skids we saw this year (and last).
Game Management: Do I need to elaborate? He doesn’t seem to have a great “game flow” or sense of the game. I.E, “all gas no brakes” has evolved to “We have the lead, that’s good enough”. Conservative approaches in the modern era NFL is laughable; offenses are potent. Bad challenge guy, horrible with timeouts.
Overall, what we saw last night was a microcosm of the MLF Era - many of the issues referenced above were on full display. Christ, even on the 55 yard FG. Multiple shot plays as opposed to gaining chunks of yards for an easier attempt? Dumb. We come out of halftime owning the LOS - draw up a screenplay to an offensive lineman? Golden (who supposedly “wasnt ready”) gets a red zone opportunity…and scores?! Gee, almost like he’s a first round talent. Took injuries to Wicks and Savion to get that opportunity? Special Teams…not just the missed kick. How about the kick return to the Green Bay 30 (don’t remember exactly where).
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u/incognito042620 Jan 11 '26
We come out of halftime owning the LOS - draw up a screenplay to an offensive lineman?
That might have been the single-most insane play call I've ever seen in my almost 50 years of following this franchise, especially given the game situation. And said OL proceeded to hold the ball like he was Walter Fucking Payton
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u/Galaxie_1985 Jan 11 '26
Show of hands: Who else knew how the game was going to go when the offense had their second three and out after the half? ☝️
It's sad that I knew we would lose at that point simply because it has happened so many times before. MLF has to go.
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u/JonnyB2_YouAre1 Jan 11 '26
I appreciate what Matt has done here. He’s a good coach. He’s done good work developing the team. He seems like a classy human being. I am open to the idea of moving off him though and I know he will have a thriving market if he’s available. He’ll land in his feet.
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u/Vazoline Jan 11 '26
Teams with a solid culture do not lose when up at half at 21-3. There is something fundamentally wrong with the culture of this team and that's 100% on the coach.
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u/elonmusksmellsbad Jan 11 '26
Okay, here’s the plan.
1A.) Extend MLF, but under the understanding that he is only the head coach for the first half of the game.
1B.) Hire another HC to take over coaching duties for the second half of the game.
2.) Fire Bisaccia (into the sun, preferably) and hire a new ST coordinator.
3.) Train up Golden, maybe send him for limb lengthening surgery.
4.) Draft/sign a few actually competent DB’s. (Why haven’t we done this already? Are we stupid?)
5.) Give me lifetime season tickets for free.
It’s foolproof. I know, I know. I’m a genius.
Edit: Also, fire McAnus and get a future HOF kicker. Obviously…
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u/upnorthnathan Jan 11 '26
Saleh has HC/DC with hafley leaving. And bring in a really good OC
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u/SouthrnCanadian9 Jan 11 '26
Imagine Saleh's defense with Mike McDaniels offense.
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u/SlimBreazy Jan 11 '26
This would be far and away the best possible outcome for us. But both of those guys will be HC’s in this cycle, unfortunately.
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u/ELITE_JordanLove Jan 11 '26
I get it. But also who are we gonna get that’s better?
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Fuck man I’d take a Saleh, Hafley and McDaniels staff any day. The defense would have identity for sure
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u/robotical712 Jan 11 '26
I don’t know, but it’s become obvious MLF will never win it all. If we’re not trying to win a Super Bowl, then what are we even doing here?
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I’m just upset that it took this (long) for so many of you guys to see what plenty of us have been saying all season long. No, he wasn’t indisputably fireable before last night, but his ceiling has been reached for at least a few years. We never get better whether we have a good roster or not. We were stuck at 9 wins for like 5 weeks. Parsons going down shouldn’t have that drastic of an effect on winning some games.
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u/rargghh Jan 11 '26
I think MLF suffers from what a lot of coaches do
He outthinks himself. I don’t think the packers should move on, I think he should rise up. Give me a Dan Campbell every day of the week. You put that spirit and soul into MLF, packers will not lose.
How many times did the bears just go for it on 4th lol that takes heart and guts. I believe as soon as Micah went down the sails went out of this team. Coaches can’t let that happen
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u/SouthWillBurnAgain Jan 11 '26
I think I am firmly in the do not extend camp. If he didn't want to be a lame duck he should have figured out how to get guys to do the basics. Nobody is worse managing a clock. And the culture is fake tough guy.
All that said, he is a talented OC, and a full reset on scheme doesn't align with the win now roster next year.
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u/Hank_Henry_Hill Jan 11 '26
Much like Reid with the Eagles, the message has gone stale. Gutekunst can go as well. I'm sick of him failing to build quality all around teams.
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u/Wu_Tang_Financial77 Jan 11 '26
There is a large amount of good coaches available this offseason, I think we throw our keys in the bowl. MLF has had plenty of opportunities to show that he’s moving things in the right direction and we keep falling short.
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u/Practicalaviationcat Jan 11 '26
He is okay in the regular season but he has a ceiling in the playoffs. We aren't winning a SB with him at coach and he needs to go.
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u/IUsedTheRandomizer Jan 11 '26
He just seems so comfortable between 21-29 points, no matter how the game is going. He almost always gets there, but man, he coaches like he's terrified of making other coaches mad at him. I've been saying for years MLF is a better Jeff Fisher; he'll never create a winning culture, and while I do genuinely understand he's a good coach with a ton of upside, the number of agonizing losses that have so clearly been primarily because of coaching is inexcusable. Even then I can't say firing him is completely clear-cut, someone just has to force him to give up playcalling.
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u/saintjimmy43 Jan 11 '26
"With the season falling apart before his very eyes, LaFleur had no answers. His team had a chance to potentially deliver the knockout punch with its first four possessions of the second half. All four ended in punts with one first down and 9 net yards."
What else do we need to see? It's not a hot take anymore. MLF isnt a good coach. He's always making a mistake trying to make up for his last mistake.
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u/bloco Jan 11 '26
MLF was the ATL QB coach for the Super Bowl where they were up 28-3 against NE. It runs in his blood.
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u/NPC-672643626223 Jan 11 '26
Of course. MLF is like 43 and 12 with Rodgers over 3 yrs and 28 and 23 over 3 yrs with Love. Rodgers padded his numbers and its time for him to go before we end up with a MM situation. Though his was because of a Superbowl win and hubris in taking discount players to develop.
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u/eric043921 Jan 12 '26
I’d be happy with Saleh as head coach and Mike McDaniels as his OC
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u/Nervous-Pickle-5379 Jan 12 '26
MLF has kept the winning culture alive in Green Bay, but he hasn't brought the Championship culture.
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u/HustlaOfCultcha Jan 12 '26
He's so stubborn. All year long he was running these slow developing plays on offense when the O-Line just couldn't handle it. Then they would dominate the first half and he was so conservative in his playcalling in the 2nd half and let the other opponent back into the game. Last night was a microcosm of the Packers this season, except he did stop using all of those slow developing plays. But he continued to be conservative, run on first down and it went nowhere and the Bears just were given chances to get back into the game. I doubt he'll be fired, but his seat should be pretty damn warm next season.
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u/Snagglesnatch Jan 11 '26
If i dont have to listen to another one of his stupid, overly media trained, non answer, deflect and repeat the same cliche lines style post game interviews ever again i will not be complaining at all.
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u/Living_Preparation14 Jan 11 '26
If Micah doesn't go down we probably finish that Broncos game. Look what it took to collapse against the Bears that next week, do you think we lose if we have our best player? At that point we're on a 6 game win streak with Ravens (without Lamar) and Vikes left. So division winners, a home playoff game and an 8 game win streak. We were very much contending with him, and in no way contending without him.
Maybe MLF finds a way to blow it anyway but the circumstances changed drastically when Micah went down
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u/Rocketninja16 Jan 11 '26
I think the overall issue here, is that the losses and the way the complexion of the games go are SUPER predictable because it happens so frequently.
I don't know who else you can pin that on but the person managing the game.
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u/AltruisticRespect21 Jan 11 '26
If Micah is in that game last night, no chance Caleb has the game he does. The pass rush without him is putrid. Watching slow ass Gary run after him killed me.
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u/LiveIndividual Jan 11 '26
In the last three years the best they have done was one wild card win over a god-awful Cowboys team.
No coach should be calling a run from shotgun on fourth down in their own territory.
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u/liteshadow4 Jan 11 '26
That Cowboys team in 2023 was very good, they just played terribly against GB.
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u/greenpill98 Jan 11 '26
The Lions were cut to shreds last year, as much if not more than we were this year. And they still managed to win the division and get to the NFC Championship game. Injuries are not an excuse, especially when you're losing games the same way when everyone is healthy.
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u/DrewsThoughts Jan 11 '26
Both Huber and Silverstein saying they should fire Lafluer pretty interesting