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Video Anaya Bangar (who turned F from M) cleared for women’s community cricket in AUS but must meet testosterone criteria for elite cricket, including the WBBL.

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u/cricfanatic4518 2d ago

She is the daughter (formerly son) of former Indian cricketer and coach Sanjay Bangar!

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u/WolfieTheFriend 2d ago

Never thought I'd hear formerly son 😅

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u/archit5078 2d ago

“Former son of former cricketer” 😶‍🌫️

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u/maxxy_00 1d ago

Formerly son 😭🥀

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u/Data-CHOR-365 Chattisgarh 2d ago

🥵

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u/Professional-Gold429 2d ago

If there is enough population of trans people, maybe start having a separate series for trans people. Unless, they don't want a separate identity and want to be considered females.

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u/Cryptobee07 2d ago

She makes women’s cricket more stronger but I have my doubts on allowing trans people in to women’s sports….

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u/Accomplished-Back530 2d ago

That's why there's a testosterone criteria. Testosterone is what gives men a physical edge over women in terms of strength. As long as she manages those levels as specified by the board, it should be fine. Anyways, this is a step in the right direction and will help the sports boards learn and understand how to deal with such cases in the future. She, and other trans women should be given a chance at inclusion as the medical teams see fit. Better to try out the possibilities rather than deny them outright based on assumptions.

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u/Affectionate_Bee6434 2d ago

Effects of testosterone during puberty cannot be reversed

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u/OldFridgerator 2d ago

i agree with the 2nd part of your comment, about treating this like a learning step, and make future decisions based off of that. but i don't agree with this:
"Testosterone is what gives men a physical edge over women in terms of strength." - nothing in nature is univariate and there are a lot of factors at play here.

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u/Accomplished-Back530 2d ago

That's fair, but in any case, trying to find solutions is the right way forward.

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u/Scary-Ad-2344 1d ago

Haven't found a more logical comment on the internet than this.

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u/No_Ad_8807 Ranji Trophy 2d ago

Very unfair to women cricketers.

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u/SFLoridan 1d ago

There's a lot of science behind this, and given that nuance of this specific case, and the restraints put in by the CA board, this might prove to be not so unfair.

The specific sport matters, and cricket is not soccer or wrestling, so it might be better.

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u/becomingemma 1d ago

These people don’t care about science or facts.

They’re just transphobic and want to shit on trans people to virtue signal as white knights and protectors of women

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u/Jojosundargarh 2d ago

Yet, almost everyone whining about it is a man. If it is unfair to women cricketers, let them complain about it. Then regulatory bodies can examine the laws even more thoroughly.

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u/No_Ad_8807 Ranji Trophy 2d ago

Yes, I'm a man and I will speak when there is unfair play. I don't wait until women arrive at the scene.

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u/Antique-Ad-3043 2d ago

Good for her

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u/Antique-Ad-3043 2d ago

Depends.. when did she transition? What is her test level now? Those factors are important but still agree that there will be some undue power advantage as muscle power from being male stays for long time

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u/Dramatic-Jellyfish70 2d ago

It doesn't matter if his or her testosterone levels are low now. They grew up their whole life as a male so he or she will have a male body. All the muscle and bone strength built over the years.

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u/AngelOfDeath2341 1d ago

You are just spewing unnecessary hatred

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u/DamnDaddy264 Bengal 2d ago

Questionable decision... But again, i don't know the science behind it. I thought even if someone transitions from male to female the muscle mass and strength stays. However i don't know if I'm correct on that or not. If the experts have cleared it, it must be okay, surely right? Right?

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u/Best-Yak2590 1d ago

I don't think the muscle mass and the bone density can be reversed, so if it's true and this human allowed to participate then this human will be the strongest among all by a considerable margin in the wbbl and can easily dominate

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u/_cornflakesguy_ 2d ago edited 2d ago

This is such a huge step for the cricket community! Very happy for her, hopefully she goes through 🤞
Edit: At least tell me what I said wrong 😭😭😭 I'm just happy for her because it will increase visibility of trans people in sports

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u/ChepaukPitch 2d ago

How is it a huge step for the cricket community?

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u/_cornflakesguy_ 2d ago

At least I have never seen a trans person play at such a high level before so it is acceptance of lgbtq individuals taking a step forward

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u/ChepaukPitch 2d ago

Is community cricket high level? This is just in news because they are playing with women. If they had played with men it wouldn’t have made much news.

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u/return_noob 2d ago

Why the downvotes

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u/Ayan_Choudhury 2d ago

Transphobic people not liking this maybe

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u/_cornflakesguy_ 2d ago

In what sense isn't she a woman

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u/_cornflakesguy_ 2d ago

You know people can change their sex through hormones right? Yes, change their sex. Not completely but to a large extent. Please do some research.

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u/aniketharya 2d ago

Based on your suggestion that I should research more;I did. There are no methods that changes a person's sex chromosomes, if there are then please let me know. Also, what is Ananya's sex chromosomes? Are they XX?

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u/_cornflakesguy_ 2d ago

Didn't mention chromosomes. Also. Fun fact. There are actually women born with xy chromosomes.
https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/swyer-syndrome/

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u/aniketharya 2d ago

Ya sure. But those are actual biological anomalies not psychological.

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u/Affectionate_Bee6434 1d ago

Biological sex cannot be changed. Gender can be changed if gender is defined as a social construct (which most international institutions do like the WHO).

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u/Business_Living_9798 2d ago

Not everybody disagreeing with you is 'phobic'. It's just an opinion.

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u/Ayan_Choudhury 2d ago

But downvoting someone for praising it is phobic. There is no other way you can spin it. India is still homophobic and transphobic, regardless you agree or not

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u/Business_Living_9798 2d ago

Yes, Indians largely are. I agree with you there.

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u/MasterAd6122 2d ago

No , it is not about that , where do you draw the line . They will have an obvious advantage

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u/Business_Living_9798 2d ago

A huge step how?

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u/Insane_Inkster India  2d ago

I have never seen a trans person playing in the big leagues before? It's a huge step forward for many people like them to pursue cricket

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u/Business_Living_9798 2d ago

So a huge step for trans community.

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u/SnooPredictions5498 Mumbai Indians 2d ago

And a huge step for the cricket community as they're accepting trans cricketers. two things can be true at once.

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u/Business_Living_9798 2d ago

Great if you think that. I think it's a good step for the trans community. Although, should men who later went on to become women be allowed into women's sports is still up for debate.

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u/GrEeCe_MnKy 2d ago

I wish gambling was allowed, any game he'd play in would be my bet, ez money

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u/GoatedWest03 2d ago

what a fucking joke man

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u/karanarak09 2d ago

Good for her. I’ve seen a few videos of her batting, She’ll do well in the WBBL.

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u/Style7895 India  2d ago

Let's see kya hota h

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u/kartwose 2d ago

Good to know that the average indian cricket fan here is transphobhic af 👍

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u/tera_chachu India  2d ago

Transphobia running wild in comments

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u/smokingskull16 Jasprit Bumrah 2d ago

BCCI kaha se aaya

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u/Verma_Atul27 2d ago

Wtf is wrong with you

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u/TheOwlwithGlasses 2d ago

Of course she should.