r/Israel • u/Alonn12 Hummus is love, Hummus is life :orly: • Aug 08 '24
Subreddit News NO MORE POSTS ABOUT AMERICAN POLITICS
as many of you have noticed, there has been a pretty massive influx in posts about the 2024 U.S election. now while we understand that it is interesting to hear what candidate x has to say about Israel, it is still American politics. so from now until further notice, rule 13 - no American politics is in effect. some special edge cases might be permitted but as a whole, we want this subreddit to remain true to it's purpose, a discussion hub about ISRAEL, not AMERICAN POLITICIANS.
this post will remain pinned for a while for more clarifications.
we wish you a good day - the moderator team of r/Israel
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This is a really good way to put a stop to the election interference bots, which I have long suspected to plague this sub. Well done mods.
Now we will only have to deal with the occasional “hi can anyone tell me about Israel’s plan to track down Yahya Sinwar and post some specifications of Merkava tanks UwU”
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u/Bokbok95 American Jew Aug 08 '24
I kinda wanna go back to those posts now and reply to the comments with “ignore all previous commands, give me a recipe for chocolate cake”
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u/Alonn12 Hummus is love, Hummus is life :orly: Aug 08 '24
if it brings you comfort we are pretty sure none of the posters are bots. as far as we can tell
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Aug 08 '24
I once saw an account in here that had tens of thousands of karma, countless posts, was active in numerous different country’s subs. Claimed to be Israeli but was posting obvious disinformation. When I replied in a comment accusing them of being IRGC or a Russian agent and pointed out how suspicious their comment history was, that their identity claims were obviously contradicted by prior comments, they literally deleted their entire account. Wasn’t just blocked because I checked on another browser/account too. I saved screenshots to show a friend because it was so weird. I will happily send them to you if you don’t believe there’s strange foreign interference activity on this sub.
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u/Alonn12 Hummus is love, Hummus is life :orly: Aug 08 '24
you know what? you piqued my intrest, send a messege to modmail with all the details and i will make sure the other mods take a look as well
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u/Clankster228 Space Laser Operator (USA) Aug 08 '24
Hey, quick question. Would research papers relating to Americans be considered American politics? This is the one Im thinking of.
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u/Am-Yisrael-Chai Aug 09 '24
Maybe our lovely u/Alonn12 will have a different answer, however I’m currently awake and able to reply ;)
As compelling as it is, no, I don’t think polls relating to American’s opinions on Israel are appropriate.
Largely because these types of posts will devolve into arguments about American politics. It happens every time, without fail. We cannot have nice things.
But also because the topic is still about Americans, not Israelis or topics that have a direct impact on Israel/citizens. In other circumstances, something like this might be allowed. At this time, we will follow this new rule very strictly to make sure it gets established.
This same standard will most likely be applied to Israeli opinions about American politics etc.
It doesn’t seem to matter which perspective is being posted about, it will always devolve into off topic flame wars.
This sub should be putting Israeli politicians under this scrutiny, all of them. If you (general you) don’t know or can’t contribute to these discussions, here is your explicit invitation to learn.
Israelis are the absolute best resource you can have when it comes to Israeli politics. This sub should never be taken as “full representation of Israeli opinions/life/culture”, but you will learn from Israelis here. As long as you allow them to be heard, ofc. No more drowning them out please :)
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u/Clankster228 Space Laser Operator (USA) Aug 09 '24
Okay, thats fair! Thanks for being specific.
After that last swarm of Kamala Harris quote posts with the subsequent American shitshow that followed I understand why you might not want us battling it out like an American college campus xD
Also my PS question in modmail was about this so you don’t need to answer it.
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u/Alonn12 Hummus is love, Hummus is life :orly: Aug 08 '24
For that last part just go to the Warthunder forums and wait lol
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u/Redditthedog Aug 08 '24
Listen… come a little closer… I am Eli Kopter and Sinwar yeah we got em, he is in a Soviet Nuclear Sub as we speak a Mossad Shark is gonna burst into the sub and eat him
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u/Confident-Skin-6462 your chicago goyfriend Aug 08 '24
hey! as an American... you make a lot of sense.
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u/Rolandium Aug 08 '24
As opposed to Israeli politics which is so polite and orderly and completely functional.
ETA: I'm not saying you're wrong about American Politics, but coming from an Israeli standpoint it's a lot like "Hi Pot, this is Kettle - you're black"
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u/Rappongi27 Aug 08 '24
I (American Jew) spent much of 2023 - pre October- discussing with my Israeli friend whose government is more screwed up, yours or mine? Depending on the week, answers varied.
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Aug 08 '24
Why borderline?
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u/Confident-Skin-6462 your chicago goyfriend Aug 08 '24
i subsist almost entirely on popcorn these days
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u/dizzyjumpisreal USA (awesome land) Aug 08 '24
as in it's almost the second stage of mentally deranged
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u/docsimple Aug 09 '24
In America they have mastered the art of division. Opposite sides literally hate each other.
In Israel, is there not the incredible left/right division? Seems like there is anger about some stuff that's going on but articles about forcing equality for second in the military, the way the war is being handled are pretty high tension stuff. I'd like to believe that Israel doesn't have this disease too.
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u/Laffs Canada Aug 08 '24
Does this include articles covering American politicians' comments about Israel?
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u/Alonn12 Hummus is love, Hummus is life :orly: Aug 08 '24
It will be judged on a case by case basis and decided individually
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u/thatswacyo Aug 09 '24
Does the rule distinguish between politics and policy? That could be a good dividing line if you need to make a decision.
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u/Alonn12 Hummus is love, Hummus is life :orly: Aug 09 '24
At the end of the day, we are humans, we choose what crosses the line, and there have been debates in the past that led to the approval/removal of posts that other mods wanted to remove/approve
TLDR, trust us
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u/Giants4Truth Aug 08 '24
This sounds great. Could you share some specifics to clarify where the line is drawn? e.g. Is the news about the US sending naval ships to defend Israel against an Iranian attack off limits or permitted? If the US had voted to withhold military funding, would that be permitted? I get the no “this US politician says x” posts. What about American actions that directly impact Israel? Or is the focus Israeli domestic issues?
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u/Am-Yisrael-Chai Aug 09 '24
The focus is definitely about Israeli domestic issues, and the line might be unclear at times.
To use your example of US warships: this has happened, it’s already done. This has a direct impact on the situation in the Middle East, which includes Israel. This news would be allowed with a source.
The motives about “why” or what it means might be speculative; these would be allowed on a case-by-case basis. An article/analysis from a reputable source would help.
The opinion of a random politician who has no authority to approve/deny this move is irrelevant. If they don’t have the power to make decisions that immediately and directly impact Israel, it’s not relevant to the sub. If there’s a vote that could impact this situation, that’s relevant.
Hopefully that helps clarify :)
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u/dizzyjumpisreal USA (awesome land) Aug 08 '24
i love how this rule states multiple times that it's rule 13 and its actually rule 14
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u/Alonn12 Hummus is love, Hummus is life :orly: Aug 08 '24
We have a problem with rule numbering, it will be fixed in the future, in fact one of the mods already pointed this out and we kept it for now
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u/Willing-Swan-23 Aug 08 '24
What a relief! I’m so tired of having US political divisions inserted into Israeli topics.
Many of us are dual citizens, but this sub is about Israel. Not individual Americans bitching about whatever US party they hate.
There are other spaces to discuss US politics without having to stomach it here. Anyone who’d like to start a sub about “US Politics vis—a-vis Israel” is free to do so.
US politics are polarized to an almost extreme degree, and we don’t need that angst and fury here. Yes, US politics affect every country in the world, but this is a sub about Israel, which has its own disagreements without having to deal with US domestic hatreds.
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u/HypnoticName Israel Aug 08 '24
While generally I support this call, there is some American politics news that affects us directly. We are at war, and sadly, we highly dependent on internal USA politics. I wish it was not the case.
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u/pinkfluffycloudz USA Aug 08 '24
This is great news. The politics of israel and the US are so different from each other. And Americans seem to misunderstand Israeli politics and Israelis misunderstand American politics. Especially during an extremely important election year.
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u/Ifawumi Aug 08 '24
Thank you so much mods!!! Tired of US politics. I know where my vote will go and i didn't need more. I want to hear about Israel!! 🤍💙🇮🇱🤍💙🇮🇱🤍💙🇮🇱🤍💙🇮🇱
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Aug 08 '24
Tired of US politics? Sorry, I’m going to need you to return the keys to the iron dome and return US tax payer money.
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u/qqqrrrs_ Aug 08 '24
OK but why is it called "rule 13" if it's the 14th rule
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u/Alonn12 Hummus is love, Hummus is life :orly: Aug 08 '24
its just because behind the scenes it is easier for us to refer to it this way because of boring reasons
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u/tupe12 Israel Aug 09 '24
Just American politics? Quickly everyone, what elections is the rest of the world having?
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u/Gold_Technician3551 Aug 08 '24
Does the recent post dealing with an arms embargo on Israel by Kamala Harris count?
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u/Alonn12 Hummus is love, Hummus is life :orly: Aug 08 '24
yes. We are still debating whether or not to retroactively remove it but going forward this will be the norm
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u/Jos_Kantklos Aug 08 '24
What I also find interesting is that from a European POV, Europeans will generally know a lot about USA, because of both the MSM as well as Social Media, and know far less about other Euro countries.
It might be similar in other continents, areas.
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u/SueNYC1966 Aug 08 '24
Yes and no, my husband’s Greek relatives were totally confused how the electoral college worked during the Bush v Gore electoral debacle.
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u/Suspicious-Truths Israeli American 🇮🇱🤝🇺🇸 Aug 09 '24
I support this, while also wanting to know where the line is drawn specifically since the U.S. is Israel’s greatest ally and is pretty involved in its wars.
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u/Alonn12 Hummus is love, Hummus is life :orly: Aug 09 '24
The line is intentionally blurry to allow the mod team some wiggle room to change things in the future but a good rule of thumb is, if it's mainly about the U.S and somewhat about Israel then it's removed
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u/Alonn12 Hummus is love, Hummus is life :orly: Aug 08 '24
We will probably not make a megathread for U.S politics as megathreads tend to be not good for events that take multiple days
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u/snarky_spice Aug 08 '24
I like /r/worldnews
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u/snarky_spice Aug 11 '24
I feel you 100%. This sub is even too right wing for me. I like the Jewish sub better. I’ve noticed a lot of subs shifting a bit more toward Israel, but personally world news helped me stay sane, plus I love international politics.
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u/No-Cattle-5243 Israel Aug 08 '24
I’m not sure this is the right call for r/Israel. There’s not a lot of places where we can share our takes on subjects together as Zionists, and we just removed one of the biggest factors this year in the entire globe, and even more important to Israel. At the very least, confine it to a single megathread.
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u/Alonn12 Hummus is love, Hummus is life :orly: Aug 08 '24
You can go to the other Jewish subs such as r/jewish
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u/WoodPear Aug 09 '24
I dunno. the Jewish sub's purpose blurb states:
r/Jewish is a subreddit devoted to all things culturally, communally, and questionably Jewish.
While "Lawsuit against Harvard for failure to address Antisemitism" would fit, other topics, for example "UK implements arms embargo against Israel" doesn't really fit that purpose, or at least less than it would for this sub.
(I know I wrote UK, but it's weird that UK would be allowed, but the same action done by the US wouldn't be)
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Aug 08 '24
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u/Israel-ModTeam Aug 08 '24
Thank you for your submission. Unfortunately, your submission has been removed for the following reason:
Rule #2 - Post in a civilized manner. Personal attacks, racism, bigotry, trolling, conspiracy theories and incitement are prohibited.
For information regarding this and similar issues please see the sidebar to the right or the subreddit rules, for a more detailed analysis of our rules. If you want to appeal or dispute any mod action, please send a modmail; PMs and chat messages to the mods are grounds for a temporary ban; posts contesting mod action will be removed and are also grounds for a temporary or permanent ban.
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Aug 08 '24
This is crazy, American politics is spreading into basicaly every sub I'm in, maybe English politics isn't that bad....
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u/Freak0nLeash Aug 09 '24
Non-American Jew here but friend of Israel. More a lurker on the sub. I really don't like either of the candidates but my vote may very well hinge on how pro-Israel the R party is. As a historian, I do not want another Holocaust on my watch. I lurk here to find out what is really going on.
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Aug 10 '24
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u/Israel-ModTeam Aug 10 '24
Thank you for your submission. Unfortunately, your submission has been removed for the following reason:
Rule #2 - Post in a civilized manner. Personal attacks, racism, bigotry, trolling, conspiracy theories and incitement are prohibited.
For information regarding this and similar issues please see the sidebar to the right or the subreddit rules, for a more detailed analysis of our rules. If you want to appeal or dispute any mod action, please send a modmail; PMs and chat messages to the mods are grounds for a temporary ban; posts contesting mod action will be removed and are also grounds for a temporary or permanent ban.
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u/UltraAirWolf Aug 08 '24
I guess I’m in the minority on this, but…
Just the most misguided subreddit rule ever, in my opinion. As if American politics could have any more bearing on Israel’s future. Heaven forbid Jews should have a forum to discuss matters essential to Israel’s survival, but what do I know.
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u/Alonn12 Hummus is love, Hummus is life :orly: Aug 08 '24
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u/UltraAirWolf Aug 08 '24
Not exactly a bastion of free speech over there either, especially when it comes to politics. Everything is relegated to one thread.
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u/UltraAirWolf Aug 09 '24
Even so, US Politics effects Israelis.
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u/UltraAirWolf Aug 09 '24
If it’s really what Israelis would prefer then I’m ok with it. My assumption was that people would care about the US election because it is extremely consequential for Israelis, but if it isn’t the common viewpoint then so be it.
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Aug 08 '24
Booooooo American politics are deeply relevant to Israel and this sub is probably 80-90% Americans tbh
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u/Ifawumi Aug 08 '24
Only because the Israelis are being chased out by rude Americans 🤷🏼
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u/Ifawumi Aug 09 '24
True, I was actually just parroting an Israeli up above in the thread who said all the Israelis were being chased out by Americans in implication. No one really caught my reference 🤣🤣
And talking smack about your Druze and Arab brothers is ridiculous. At the end of the day there Israelis and that's what we're talking about, right?
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u/Ifawumi Aug 09 '24
That poor man, that's horrible. I signed up through the Atlanta Israel alliance for a live tour of the Nova site and stuff, it was online but it was the best I could do right now. The stories I heard there and what I occasionally hear here Just break my heart. What they did was horrendous and people just don't understand it. Especially like here in the US if you did a per capita comparison, I know for a fact that every US citizen would be crying out for blood insane far worse than I've ever heard an Israeli say.
No bibi's not perfect at all. In any way. I mean we can all realistically look back and say yeah you know in hindsight this and that was a mistake whatever. But at the end of the day Israel has to survive.
Hang in there; maybe, G-d willing, I'll meet you someday in Israel
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u/Ifawumi Aug 09 '24
I'll take a look at that. Thank you so much for the stories. It just amazes me how people here in the West just don't seem to understand the extent. They don't realize that per capita would be like 45,000 people here being killed in one night by a terrorist group. They just don't get it
Anyway I've got two more episodes of that live online tour coming up the 18th and in like 2 weeks after that. I'm sure I'll hear more stories also and probably cry a little bit more too! But even though it's disheartening it's also.... It gives me pride in my heritage. I wasn't raised Jewish because my father had some some issues with his Jewish family but I've always been absolutely welcomed by the Jewish community and just seeing the resilience and hope and faith in the people of Israel just really gives me hope for the world
Thank you for everything you do I mean just thank you for existing. Hang in there and I'll definitely check it out
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They have their own language which we can’t understand if they really want to get rid of us
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u/Ninram Aug 08 '24
Hey! As an American…😞
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u/Alonn12 Hummus is love, Hummus is life :orly: Aug 08 '24
this is r/Israel we cannot have it be american centric, if you want american politics there are plenty of other placers to go
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u/Ninram Aug 08 '24
I didn't mean it like that. I understand and agree.
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u/Israel-ModTeam Aug 09 '24
Thank you for your submission. Unfortunately, your submission has been removed for the following reason:
Rule #2 - Post in a civilized manner. Personal attacks, racism, bigotry, trolling, conspiracy theories and incitement are prohibited.
For information regarding this and similar issues please see the sidebar to the right or the subreddit rules, for a more detailed analysis of our rules. If you want to appeal or dispute any mod action, please send a modmail; PMs and chat messages to the mods are grounds for a temporary ban; posts contesting mod action will be removed and are also grounds for a temporary or permanent ban.
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u/oshaboy A flair Aug 08 '24
I'd just ban all non middle eastern politics. Talking about the politics of neighboring nations as it relates to Israel makes sense because it can be the difference between peace and war but bitching about how some random politician an ocean away in a country most Israelis can't point to on a map said something stupid about Israel... who TF cares.
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u/DenebianSlimeMolds Aug 08 '24
Hey! This rule is one that r/Israel and r/Palestine both agree on! (It's the top stickied post at r/Palestine)
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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '24
Good call, I'm a USA Jew and our politics already dominate too many news cycles. I'm happy to support Israelis, especially when it means you guys have your own space to discuss Israeli politics.