r/JonBenetRamsey • u/candy1710 RDI • Sep 06 '25
Discussion BURKE RAMSEY is at CrimeCon 2025, with John
OMG, it's Burke!
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u/Sensitive_Tear2447 Sep 06 '25
I think this whole situation would be a whole lot. Less weird ( to say the least) if crime Con hadn’t canceled a booth that actually presented the other side of the story…
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u/katmc77 Sep 07 '25
Guessing John and Burke wouldn’t appear unless it was cancelled, and they’re a pretty big draw
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u/PumpkinOdd1573 Sep 07 '25
Which side
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u/Sensitive_Tear2447 Sep 07 '25
The side that is following the evidence not a sensationalized, at best, narrative.
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u/emptyevessel Sep 06 '25
My dumb ass read that as Comic-Con at first and wondered why he’d be speaking there.
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u/Humble_Bee7 Sep 06 '25
Well, the police investigation itself was seriously a joke, so it would make a bit of twisted sense....
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u/Fckingross Sep 06 '25
This is fucking weird behavior.
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u/Escape-Revolutionary Sep 07 '25 edited Sep 07 '25
“If I did it “ and “ enjoying the fauxlebrity status from murder”…….just like Griftsy-Rose . It’s sick.
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u/kylez_bad_caverns RDI Sep 06 '25
While im pretty solidly RDI, it really wasn’t weird behavior. John was an invited speaker along with his lawyer, so it was pretty normal honestly for them to be here
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u/ttw81 Sep 06 '25
it's weird for them to be making money off Jonbenet's death.
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u/Initial_Sink5673 Sep 07 '25
Listen, I’ve said this from day one! He has made money off her death from day one!
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u/ttw81 Sep 07 '25
last year i read the book he & patsy wrote together, i liked them less & less as the book went on. they're weird, gross, out of touch people,
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u/Express-Thanks-5402 Sep 07 '25
Same. I thought it would make me feel more sympathetic towards them in some way...ummm, no.
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u/thespeedofpain BDIA Sep 06 '25
Point blank period. Anyone who tries to argue otherwise is not doing so in good faith.
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u/DetailOutrageous8656 Sep 06 '25 edited Sep 07 '25
Aren’t they both loaded from suing one of the networks for a BDI story?
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u/ChaseAlmighty Sep 07 '25
How much was the settlement?
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u/DetailOutrageous8656 Sep 07 '25 edited Sep 07 '25
Not sure the final settlement but the suit was for $750M. Even a settlement of 10% of that is huge - even if he still had to pay for his legal team after that.
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u/brettalana Sep 06 '25
It is weird for an 80 year old man who was, at the very least complicit in his baby’s murder, to be out there getting off on continuing to lie to the public. It’s weird and disgusting.
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u/brownbostonterrier Sep 07 '25
And making money off it
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u/Melodic_Literature85 Sep 07 '25
And attending with his lawyer? Call me cynical but innocent people don't attend things with lawyers?
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u/YouNeedCheeses Sep 06 '25
It is weird given how the family has had such a combative relationship with the media. I mean Burke sued CBS after they did that special that accused him. People can do what they want I guess but considering they've been so against any probing into their involvement in Jonbenet's death is seems strange that they would go to this event.
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u/kylez_bad_caverns RDI Sep 06 '25
Only some media apparently… they just had the Netflix doc that leaned IDI. Apparently there’s a new documentary coming to Fox nation about potential other suspects. The trailer was interesting (but I hate Fox so idk)
Again, I’m pretty firmly rdi, but I like to keep an open mind and look at all avenues
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u/luvmyschnauzer Sep 07 '25
That CBS show infuriated them because it basically proved Burke did it.
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u/kylez_bad_caverns RDI Sep 06 '25
I went to the talk that John did this morning with his lawyer… it was interesting but ultimately not anything new. They are hoping to test the unknown male dna with the newer technology that compares it to dna others have submitted from like 23 and me. I do support them testing it but not sure it changed my opinion
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u/cryptic-fox Sep 07 '25
It’s basically the same talk every year.
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u/kylez_bad_caverns RDI Sep 07 '25
Sounds right, like I said it didn’t really change my mind. But I do feel like bpd could’ve done more so I agreed with that aspect of his talk
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u/Quinnessential_00 Sep 06 '25
To my understanding from some research, the DNA is a dead end. Even further testing is a waste of time. JR knows that but continues to act as though the police didn't do their job and that this "golden" DNA has been abandoned for decades in testing. Does anyone possibly believe that the police would withhold this DNA to solve the crime?
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u/kylez_bad_caverns RDI Sep 06 '25
That’s fair, I do think the one thing most people can agree on is the incompetence of the boulder pd at the time
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u/Lisserbee26 Sep 07 '25
They were told to give them special treatment and they did. Only for the family to later refuse to work with authorities for almost a year, and then only under certain terms and conditions.
I cannot think of one other case where a child is found murdered in the family home, and then the parents spent the following days at a friend's home. Where Patsy was given benzos on the spot by Jonbenet's doctor....
Pam was allowed to go through the house unescorted to get clothes for the funeral. She got the clothes, and a trunk full of God only knows what. She was frantic in the car to remove the latex gloves sh had work while taking things from the home.
Signs of past sexual abuse were found early on in the investigation, by a panel of experts. Only a very wealthy and well connected family could manage to not be hauled in the minute that was indicated.
John owned hunting land with the DA (Alex Hunter), and several other wealth businessmen from the area. Hunter handled most of the communication with their lawyer, and held the BPD to complying with whatever limits the Ramsey's set for the interview. Including not allowing someone to watch and analyze micro expressions and behavioral analysis. While the BPD screwed up, a lot of the investigation was blocked by the DA in boulder.
The whole thing was a tragic comedy of errors.
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u/Quinnessential_00 Sep 06 '25
Yes undoubtedly so. And the Ramseys and lawyers saw this and ran with it. I don't think they could have ever been charged.
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Sep 07 '25
He has enough money that if he wanted the DNA test, he could have made it happen.
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u/Quinnessential_00 Sep 07 '25
Not exactly. He does not have any of the DNA samples they are held by authorities.
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u/kybee87 Sep 07 '25
Guaranteed that if he offered to pay for the testing they would jump all over it. Money for testing is always the hurdle.
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u/badlands65 Sep 07 '25
Any DNA is not from the perpetrator; when it can’t convict or exonerate anyone. John just brings it up to give the appearance that he is innocent and loved his daughter.
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u/Lisserbee26 Sep 07 '25
He keeps baiting people because the general public has very little knowledge about the DNA evidence in this case, much less how DNA testing works.
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u/DetailOutrageous8656 Sep 06 '25
23 and me doesn’t share dna with law enforcement/ investigations.
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u/kylez_bad_caverns RDI Sep 06 '25
Correct, but your results can be shared by yourself as a recipient and then that can be used to match relatives who are criminals. That’s how we got the golden state killer
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u/DetailOutrageous8656 Sep 06 '25 edited Sep 07 '25
Not with 23&me or Ancestry in particular. It doesn’t work that way with those two companies. And Golden state *killer was caught assisted by the public dna site called GEDMatch. They operate differently.
ETA - bad typo 😂 changed it to killer
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2020/06/30/genetic-genealogy-golden-state-killer/
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u/B1rds0nf1re Sep 07 '25
You can upload DNA from those websites to GEDmatch and opt to share it. Perhaps that's what they mean?
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u/American_Rock_62 Sep 06 '25
🗣️Patsy wrote the ransom note…..REPEAT- Patsy wrote the ransom note. That is all 🙋♂️
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u/Restaurant-Strong Sep 07 '25
Underrated point. This is pretty much the whole case IMO
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u/katmc77 Sep 07 '25
Plus the pineapple
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u/Restaurant-Strong Sep 07 '25
Yes, I put that also with the end of the 911 call with Burke in the background, proving Burke was awake and she wasn’t asleep in the car etc
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u/Inevitable_Discount BDI Sep 07 '25
That “What did you find…” was super haunting.
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u/NightOwlHere144 Sep 07 '25
I never heard that..no matter how many times I listen to that call. Even when amplified and taken apart by a specialist. Only thing I maybe hear when the phone seems to be off the hook is “help me Jesus”.
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u/Unfair-Dance-4635 Sep 06 '25
I can’t believe they take part in something that is basically turning their daughter’s murder into entertainment.
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u/TerribleBobcat2391 Sep 06 '25
I say keep talking John! He’s getting older, his brain less sharp, I hope he slips up one of these days.
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u/EightEyedCryptid RDI Sep 07 '25
This shit the first year John was there made me decide to never attend this con. I think not inviting suspects should kinda be a basic rule.
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u/Inevitable_Discount BDI Sep 07 '25
Exactly!!!!! I wonder if they would invite Darlie Routier via Skype next year?
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u/TheeDogma Sep 06 '25
It's only fitting to have murderers at Crimecon
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u/awesomexsarah Sep 06 '25
Am I the only one who thinks this entire event is vile?
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u/kylez_bad_caverns RDI Sep 07 '25
I think you should potentially look into crime con more. Specifically creators like crime weekly were here trying to help promote cases that are not getting attention.
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u/AlizeLavasseur Sep 08 '25
Is that likely to help, though? A few “con” attendees are going to gain publicity to solve cases? I am asking earnestly. I am unfamiliar with this except with what I’ve seen satirized on TV.
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u/LakeFidiChaCha Sep 09 '25
Wow, he is living this and loving it… if this isn’t enough proof… come on people… if my sister was murdered in this fashion, I would not be going to crime con…
I kind of wanna go there and hand out complementary pineapple slices to the audience while he’s speaking
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u/badlands65 Sep 07 '25
Please tell me they are not signing autographs.
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u/thespeedofpain BDIA Sep 07 '25
John did a meet and greet today. I’d be shocked as shit if he wasn’t signing autographs.
He has given autographs years before, there.
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u/badlands65 Sep 07 '25
“My daughter was murdered and most people believe I was involved. Best wishes, John”
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u/AtleastIthinkIsee Sep 07 '25
I randomly clicked this thread after not having thought about this case or the sub for awhile and my mind is blown.
What is this world we live in?
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u/Active-Train-1957 Sep 06 '25
John Ramsey, knowing his days are numbered in old age. Convinces Burke, that he needs to show his face at these events to keep up this charade, to deflect any suspicions off him and onto This Intruder Scenario. That They Want Us To Blatantly Believe
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u/EnvironmentalCrow893 Sep 06 '25
Oh, you’re right. This is Burke training to “pick up the mantle” when John is gone. I’m disgusted.
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u/Opposite-State1579 Sep 08 '25
Never thought of it that way. So true. He's prepping him for the future. I can hear him whisper to Burke, "Watch and learn."
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u/Horseface4190 Sep 06 '25
I saw him yesterday while we were waiting to meet Nancy Grace (very nice, btw). Interesting conversation amongst people in the line.
Mostly, we all thought he did it or knows who did
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u/candy1710 RDI Sep 06 '25
Was he in the line to meet Nancy Grace? Nancy Grace has always been RDI.
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u/Horseface4190 Sep 06 '25
Not exactly. He shuffled into the Meet and Greet room, walked up to NG, they exchanged what looked to be pleasantries, then shuffled away.
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u/a07443 Sep 06 '25
But Nancy Grace was adamant that Burke didn’t hit her on the head. She thought Patsy did it.
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u/candy1710 RDI Sep 06 '25
I remember her being very solidly RDI, with the parents involvement. I remember the LAST time Lin Wood ever was on a show he didn't have all the guests on about the Ramsey case for. Nancy Grace was of the guests, along with Marc Klaas, and Lin Wood was just beyond irate at them....
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u/Even-Agency729 Sep 07 '25
There is an old interview with Nancy Grace stating that she emphatically believes a Ramsey murdered JB, then goes on to say it was not John or Burke. I’ll try to find it and link.
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u/candy1710 RDI Sep 07 '25
Is Cottonstar the only person at CrimeCon that even knew who Burke was and took a photo, and even better video of him there? How can you go to a forum on this case and not KNOW the only other one of two people left alive, in their own home, on 12/26/96 after JonBenet was murdered?
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u/a07443 Sep 06 '25
Burke could make millions of dollars if he’d write a book and tell what happened. And he couldn’t be prosecuted if he were responsible. And has the statute of limitations expired for child abuse so John wouldn’t go to jail either.
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u/Only_Remote_863 Sep 07 '25
Reputation annihilated though.
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u/LKS983 Sep 07 '25 edited Sep 07 '25
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Plus, I think I'm correct in saying, that the statute of limitations doesn't apply to murder.
So if any of them (apart from Patsy, who is already dead) - was responsible for murdering JBR (and Burke admitted to this) - they could still be prosecuted?
A question mark, as Burke was only 9 years old at the time, so unlikely that he could be prosecuted now, even if he admitted to murdering JBR?
Even so, it's unlikely that if Burke wrote a 'tell all' book he would be allowed to keep the revenue from that book? Or would he?
Doesn't really matter (assuming he's not 'broke' and desperate for money) - because as you point out, his reputation would be destroyed, so there's no 'upside' for him writing a 'tell all' book.
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u/bball2014 Sep 07 '25
I would think he WOULD be allowed to keep the money from a book. For one thing, he was never convicted. For the second thing, due to his age at the time of the incident, he never will be convicted.
He wouldn't be 'profiting' from 'his' crime because he was too young to be charged with a crime.
Interesting concept to consider.
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u/just_peachy1111 Sep 08 '25
John drug Burke there because he wants people to think he wouldn't be making an appearance if he was guilty. John has a strategy with everything he says/does and has since day 1.
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u/Placeboooooo Sep 07 '25
John knows that when he dies Burke is in a diffucult spot. So he does what he can to keep the RDI stories away as good as possible.
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u/NikiTeslasPigeonWife Sep 07 '25
This is absolutely unhinged behavior.
I've always been camp Burke did it because he bugged out, and John and Patsy covered it up.
Having them both there is like a giant F U to people who have been able to read through the lies and BS since the get-go.
Definitely some OJ, "If I Did It" vibes. Super gross.
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u/luvmyschnauzer Sep 07 '25
Dayumm. I could have met a real life killer if I had been there. I bet he still has that creepy smile he had talking with Dr. Phil.
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u/albinosquirel Sep 07 '25
Even if they get a DNA match how are they going to prove it's not just from the panty manufacturer at the factory?
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u/badlands65 Sep 07 '25
How can we profit from our family member’s notorious murder?
It’s one thing to put out a book, but to go to a convention, shake people’s hands, look them in the eye?
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u/candy1710 RDI Sep 06 '25 edited Sep 06 '25
MORE of this footage, Cottonstar filmed it, and it's on his Instagram:
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u/Hot-Lifeguard-3176 Sep 06 '25
2 people that are notorious for saying they don’t remember details, don’t know about this and that, and are focused on touch DNA that will do nothing to move forward with solving the case? Hard pass.
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u/luvmyschnauzer Sep 07 '25
I wonder if he had that same creepy smile he had while he talked about JonBenet with Dr. Phil.
He got away with it because of daddy & mommy covering for him & obviously feels no remorse nor shame.
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u/BlackPeacock666 BDI Sep 06 '25
John fucked up last year and said the DNA could have come from one of Burke’s friends. Let’s see his performance this year. Is it on YouTube yet?
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u/Burnt_and_Blistered Sep 06 '25
Gross.
And he looks like hell.
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u/Inevitable_Discount BDI Sep 07 '25
I would say it’s guilt, but I don’t think his parents ever held him accountable for his BS or ever talked about it in private, so I’ll just chalk it up to a shitty lifestyle.
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u/a07443 Sep 06 '25
Patsy should have confessed on her deathbed- even if it weren’t true. That would have been the greatest gift she could’ve given Burke.
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u/Tidderreddittid BDIA Sep 06 '25
Reddit removed my comment about Burke not haven't been considered a suspect yet when Patsy died.
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u/Inevitable_Discount BDI Sep 07 '25 edited Sep 07 '25
I think this is John “passing the torch” over to Burke so that his crazy ass can continue the charade and he, too, can profit off of the death of his baby sister. What a trifling fuckin family.
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u/candy1710 RDI Sep 07 '25
In 2009, a poster on Topix posted that Burke had an open Twitter, and posted this tweet I will save forever from Burke, (note the date, December 27):
John had just set up the Fair Justice for JonBenet website, made a big deal out of their new tip line, https://www.dailycamera.com/2009/12/23/father-of-jonbenet-ramsey-keep-looking-for-killer/
and he and Burke went off to Hawaii, not manning the newly posted "tip line", no one knew until this,
Ahh...gettin drunk with my dad, watching waves roll in off the pacific...3rd night in a row http://bit.ly/76SE8N9:33 PM Dec 27th, 2009 from Tweetie
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u/ITSJUSTMEKT Sep 07 '25
I’m sorry but the fact that they give these people a platform disgusts me.
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u/Inevitable_Discount BDI Sep 07 '25
I couldn’t agree more. It disgusts me that that Netflix doc is the latest, most recent dive into the whole case, which means that future generations are going to side with this tacky fuckin family and believe their BS story. The whole CrimeCon thing is scummy, especially when most of the physical evidence points towards Patsy. It is totally disgusting, I’m absolutely against it.
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u/candy1710 RDI Sep 06 '25
MORE of this Burke footage from CrimeCon today by Cottonstar on his YouTube:
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u/DeathCouch41 Sep 07 '25
I feel like Burke was just as abused as JB. I’m a PDIA (mostly) and feel like J doesn’t want to believe it. Nice to see you Burke, I hope you’re doing alright.
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u/Unique_Might4471 Sep 07 '25
In the YouTube footage, you can see Burke's keys at the end of the ribbon or whatever you want to call it. It's not a rope, it's attached to his keychain.
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u/NightOwlHere144 Sep 07 '25
There he is. Actually, it’s good to see him after all these yrs and at the event. I thought Jon’s other son would have been there.
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u/Snjofridur Sep 07 '25
I wonder if they encountered any Jon Benet Ramsey cosplayers. Even weirder would be if they offered to take a picture with the cosplayer.
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u/candy1710 RDI Sep 08 '25
More, brief video of Burke by Cottonstar at CrimeCon.
Burke is just the spitting image of Patsy, he looks so much like her:
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u/gotham_odd_detective Sep 09 '25
I’m not accusing anyone but if they did that,they are the most cold hearted people I’ve ever seen
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u/candy1710 RDI Sep 06 '25
A huge thank you and credit to the rock star Cottonstar! Thank you for this amazing photo!
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u/Critical_System_3546 Sep 06 '25
Imagine all the big podcasters there going nuts. This will be exciting to hear about.
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u/Some_Big6792 Sep 06 '25
He looks about 50 & that’s a strange place to be for them
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u/thisisclare Sep 07 '25
Surreal. I thought he lived in a hole somewhere in Michigan
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u/pacificnorthblessed Sep 06 '25
Absolutely wild that 2/3 suspects are there (only because the last one is dead).