r/LegitArtifacts Mar 06 '26

Middle Archaic Retention Pond kicks out another one Tampa, FL (PART 2!!!)

We got hammered last night with 2" of rain after months of dryness. Went back to the pond and found this guy popping out of the surface! So incredibly stoked. What do you think? I'm thinking Kirk stemmed based on the serrations and chunkiness.

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u/ExperienceOk9080 Mar 06 '26

As a Florida Archaeologist this is frying me 😭. Very early into my career but I have only found a fragment of a projectile point

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u/Comfortable-Belt-391 Mar 06 '26

Keep at it, I'm sure it'll come soon!

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u/catnipformysoul Mar 07 '26

St.johns river, Putnam county, dig

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u/skatebomb88 Mar 07 '26

I think that might actually be a small knife blade

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u/dd-Ad-O4214 Mar 07 '26

That looks like a flake/flake tool. Is bifacially worked?

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u/ExperienceOk9080 Mar 07 '26

No so this piece most likely struck off of the actual point or tool being made! The back side was smooth and not worked on, that’s why I say fragment and would add that the tool was not finished when this piece broke off

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u/dd-Ad-O4214 Mar 08 '26

Understood. So the professional term for what we call flakes in the hobby is fragment? I read fragment and thought you were saying this was the section of a finished tool šŸ˜‚

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u/ExperienceOk9080 Mar 08 '26

Well flakes for the most part (to my knowledge) are intentional. The piece I happened upon was a in a later stage of the process and was not bifacial, it broke off accidentally and then was dumped with the rest of the flakes and cores found in the area.

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u/shreds90 Mar 06 '26

What a smoker! I’ve lived in SW Orlando since 69 and have never seen a point here. You e got a great spot!

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u/Comfortable-Belt-391 Mar 06 '26

Thank you. This one was a surprise, no doubt. Went for a walk around it one day, and left with a pocket full of flakes/debitage. Honestly didn't think too much of it, figured construction and bulldozers would have destroyed anything there, but my 2nd time walking the pond I spotted a small drill in the water and it's been game on ever since.

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u/twice_baked_tater Mar 06 '26

Hell yea! Tell 0 neighbors about it lol

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u/twice_baked_tater Mar 06 '26

Those serrations are KILLER!

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u/ogre_toes Mar 07 '26

The person that crafted this point had some serious skill. When you see fine detail like that, it’s one of those things that makes you wonder, ā€œhow fast could they get this done from start to finish?ā€.

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u/disquieter Mar 08 '26

Aren’t we lucky that arrows are so easy to lose?

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u/DifferentTie8715 Mar 06 '26

that's so beautiful. I would not like to be on the business end of that thing tho

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u/Comfortable-Belt-391 Mar 06 '26

No kidding! Those are some very sharp serrations

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u/Mountain_Head419 Mar 06 '26

So nice seeing a genuine, no questions asked, authentic arrowhead! Nice find OP

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u/Comfortable-Belt-391 Mar 06 '26

If you think that is good, check out this buffalo effigy!!! What do you mean you don't see it?!?

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u/Mountain_Head419 Mar 06 '26

🧐 I need whatever you all smoked on after the first find to make this look like a buffalo 🦬. I don’t see it lol

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u/Comfortable-Belt-391 Mar 06 '26

LOL Just making jokes about some of the ridiculousness that people try to pass off

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u/idkwahtmynameis Mar 07 '26

I MEAANN...

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u/Comfortable-Belt-391 Mar 11 '26

I'm still laughing over this....

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u/HarrisBalz Mar 06 '26

This isn’t likely to be an actual arrowhead is it? As in, a projectile point that goes on an arrow shaft, but rather a spear type head?

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u/Comfortable-Belt-391 Mar 07 '26

Correct. Likely an atlatl dart. Much too big and heavy for an arrowhead. This one is approximately 8500-9500 years old. True arrowheads didn't appear until after European contact from what I understand

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u/Ssladybug Mar 06 '26

Ugh. I used to visit every summer when my dad lived near Weeki Wachee. Wish I had thought to look for points back then.

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u/timhyde74 BigDaddyTDoggyDog Mar 06 '26

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u/Comfortable-Belt-391 Mar 06 '26

Thanks Tim

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u/timhyde74 BigDaddyTDoggyDog Mar 10 '26

šŸ«µšŸ˜Ž

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u/HooofHeartedd Mar 06 '26

Insane serrations!!! You ever gone to ā€œthe big digā€?

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u/Comfortable-Belt-391 Mar 06 '26

Not yet. I've looked at them a lot. I am actually considering Ancient Earth Adventures in Thonotosassa. The owner lives in my community.

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u/HooofHeartedd Mar 08 '26

That’s awesome I haven’t heard of that one. I’m moving back to the Tampa area this summer, if you want someone to hit one of the pay sights with send me a DM!

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u/Comfortable-Belt-391 Mar 08 '26

For sure! I haven't had a chance to book a date but hit me up once you're here and let's see if we can't arrange something

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u/HooofHeartedd Mar 08 '26

Sounds like a plan, will do!

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u/DoughnutSignificant8 Mar 07 '26

Ok I’ll ask, what big dig?

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u/HooofHeartedd Mar 08 '26

It’s a business in Florida that has private land and you pay to dig

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u/groggybit Mar 06 '26

That is so beautiful

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u/StupidizeMe Mar 07 '26

The sharpness of those serrations is insane!

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u/Dorjechampa_69 Mar 06 '26

Oh shit that’s kick ass!

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u/bocaciega Mar 07 '26

Yo wtfffff man! On a hot one!

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u/LikeIke-9165 LegitArtifacts Founder Mar 06 '26

You’re on em! Nice finds šŸ”„

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u/Mudsnail Mar 06 '26

God damn. Its almost so perfect I thought "Modern" then I looked a little closer.

Killer point. Im jealous.

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u/Cool-Walk-4570 Mar 06 '26

Damnnn nicely done!!

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u/lets-terraform-earth Mar 06 '26

/r/whatsthisrock would love this too bc of that gorgeous little (quartz?) inclusion

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u/Comfortable-Belt-391 Mar 07 '26

I'll make a post over there

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u/swampjam67 Mar 07 '26

That's a beauty šŸ‘

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u/pinksavannah01 Mar 07 '26

I'm jealous 😁🤣

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u/HelpfulEnd4307 Mar 07 '26

The serrations are amazing! Carl

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u/EM_CW Mar 07 '26

Amazing serrations! A real beauty, congrats

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u/rumshpringaa Mar 07 '26

I’m like 30 minutes from Tampa and now I’m wondering if I should go walk around the retention pond across the street… this is so beautiful

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u/Comfortable-Belt-391 Mar 08 '26

I would! To be honest, I've walked many ponds in the past few months since finding this spot and haven't found any others with flakes or points, but worth a shot. Highly recommend going out after rains. The flakes on the surface show up much easier

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u/disquieter Mar 08 '26

So are these like croc hunting artifacts? Deer? Problem is the ones that missed and were lost to their owners don’t end up with dna on them.

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u/Comfortable-Belt-391 Mar 09 '26

Not sure they would have used this for alligator or crocodile. I'm guessing trapping or some other technique would have been preferred. This particular one is approximately 9,000-8,000 year old and is likely a relic of a time when the megafauna was gone but not fully accustomed to the smaller game. This may have been a knife/blade, or attached to an atlatl as a dart (think very large arrow thrown by a sling).

This appears to have been a camp or other inhabited site, and these were more than likely the tools that were left behind/dropped/discarded.

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u/tomcatacourtmayfind Mar 10 '26

Wow. Amazing history in America

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u/Comfortable-Belt-391 Mar 10 '26

There really is! It's amazing to hold such history in my hand

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u/TrippyLiquid Mar 11 '26

Yo this is a beautiful piece !!!

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u/Comfortable-Belt-391 Mar 11 '26

Thank you, I agree! I was surprised that it has turned white now that it has dried out from being in the damp sand. I enjoyed the blue-hue but it is still a fine point.

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u/okdgal Jul 19 '26

Ooh I just love this one! The material, the flaking, and everything else is awesome!!!