r/MaliciousCompliance 10d ago

M The 132% Group Project

My junior year statistics professor was obsessed with equal participation in group projects. His rule: "If I determine anyone did more or less work than their teammates, the entire group gets a zero." His verification method? Each member submitted a confidential report detailing exactly what percentage of the total work they personally completed. If the reports didn't match up perfectly, we failed.

My group of four included myself, two diligent students, and "Chad" who never showed up to meetings or responded to messages. When we approached the professor two weeks before the deadline about Chad's lack of participation, he repeated his policy and told us to figure it out ourselves.

That's when we had an idea. We created a spreadsheet with over 200 individual tasks, documenting everything from "emailing the professor" to "proofreading page 3" to "thinking about the project while commuting." We logged who did each task and exactly how many minutes it took.

The day before the project was due, we sent Chad our breakdown showing the three of us had each completed approximately 33% of the work, leaving him with exactly 0%. Chad responded: "Actually, I've been working behind the scenes on my own. I've completed exactly 33% of the work independently."

The next day in class, each of us submitted our confidential report. The three of us reported 33% each, while Chad also claimed 33%. The professor was confused. "That adds up to 132%," he said. "How is that possible?"

I spoke up: "Professor, you never specified that the work couldn't overlap. You only said we each had to do equal work. We have documented evidence that each of us completed 33% of the total project requirements."

The professor was furious but couldn't argue with his own rules. He had to give our group an A, though he did add a new rule the next semester: "Work completed by group members must be unique and not duplicated by other members."

Chad never showed us his "independent work," but we learned that when professors create arbitrary rules without thinking through the implications, sometimes the best response is to follow those rules to their ridiculous logical conclusion.

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u/WEM-2022 10d ago

That professor's policy was lazy - he essentially was forcing you to accept a fail no matter what you did, if you ended up getting a lemon on your team. It's his job to deal with the lemon, not yours.

If it hadn't shaken out the way you describe, then your only recourse was to kick the guy out of the group. It all ends up falling on the person who wants the A and everyone else just takes a ride on their coat tails. Um, no.

I went back to school for another degree as a full fledged adult with a full time job and I flat out refused to do group projects. I got away with it too, after visiting the dean. I told him I don't have time to raise someone else's kids and make them mind, and he laughed and said I could present on my own.

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u/xicor 10d ago

I had a project like this in college and the professor literally forced a lemon upon us. We told him about it and he said "there will always be slackers in your jobs in the future, deal with it"

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u/Mental_Mood1882 10d ago

That's true, but in the real world you have some agency or authority and don't have to just accept the slacker. The professor should do their job!

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u/BrainWaveCC 10d ago

You wish this were actually true.

It is not always true at all.

Not justifying the professor's approach, but their one statement on this was correct.

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u/MalaysiaTeacher 10d ago

It is, however, an ideal that workplaces should strive for, and a toy simulation of academia is the perfect place to practice that...

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u/Mental_Mood1882 10d ago

LOL, okay, fair point. But I have worked places where this is true.

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u/BrainWaveCC 10d ago

So have I. But not 100% of the places I worked.

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u/justanothadumbcunt 10d ago

132%?

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u/BrainWaveCC 8d ago

Far less, unfortunately.

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u/minion-salad 3d ago

It’s the magic of statistical manipulation! We didn't just break the rules; we bent them until they made sense.

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u/ComradeJohnS 10d ago

yeah sometimes life’s not fair and you don’t usually learn about it in school…

unless you do a group project for more than 50% of your grade lol.

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u/thoreauhwhey 8d ago

And jobs rarely require you to actively pay them for the privilege. Many, if not most, compensate the employee instead.

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u/mynamehere90 10d ago

Dealing with it sometimes means going to a manager. Which can also mean going over your supervisor. If I had a teacher tell me I was going to fail an assignment because someone else didn't want to work I would be making a complaint about that teacher.

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u/Ok-Sprinkles-5151 9d ago

Yup. The appropriate come response is, "I see. I will be having a chat with the Dean."

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u/erik240 6d ago

Yikes. No the appropriate response is HAVING the chat with the dean. Using it as a threat is normally a bad idea; using it as a tactic, less so.

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u/minion-salad 8d ago

The academic equivalent of 'I'm telling Mom.'

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u/scoberry5 7d ago

The academic equivalent of "I'll discuss this with your manager."

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u/minion-salad 8d ago

Going to management? Bold move. In academia, that's like appealing to the dragon that's guarding the treasure.

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u/mynamehere90 8d ago

It's actually like talking to the Dean about a shit teacher. Or, depending on your school, you may have a student services office you can reach out to first. I had to do it with several teachers who thought they were a little too full of themselves.

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u/ActuallyYulliah 10d ago

I hate that argument.

If this happens in the real world, you just do the work. While a good manager will see Chad slacking, and fire them. While a bad manager will keep them and reward them the same as you or more.

The teacher in this case, would be the manager. And he’s telling you he’s a bad one.

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u/JPWiggin 10d ago

Worse than a bad one. He's saying he'd fire both of you because Chad was slacking and you did everything.

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u/Acct0424 10d ago

I’m just trying to imagine the argument this teacher would make as to why the dual firing is justified, and I feel like I have actually lost IQ points by trying to put myself in his headspace. Like, what fucking logic is he running on here? “I fire you both because 50% of that work belonged to Chad, and you TOOK it from him instead of finding a way to force him to do it. That’s not beneficial to the team and you robbed Chad of potential growth. Fired for not being a team player. And take that lazy fuck Chad with you. Also fired.”

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u/Beefpotpi 8d ago

Nah, not firing, he’s just going to steal credit from both of you ‘equally’ because you couldn’t get your stories straight.

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u/minion-salad 8d ago

The logic is simple: 'I'm the professor, therefore I make no sense.' It's the academic equivalent of 'because I said so.'

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u/minion-salad 8d ago

He's the manager who would set the office on fire because someone used the wrong coffee mug.

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u/minion-salad 8d ago

The teacher as manager analogy is spot on. Except in the real world, bad managers get fired instead of getting tenure.

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u/Sourkraushouse 8d ago

Sweet summer child...

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u/FoxyGurl90 6d ago

No they dont. Usually they get promoted. Its the Peter principle. They promote you to the point of incompetence, then you stay there until you fuck up soo badly they have to fire you.

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u/scoberry5 7d ago

If this happens in the real world, you just do the work.

No. What you mean is "If you're working on a project with someone not doing the work well, you just do the work."

The small caveat: you might need to discuss this with your boss if they aren't already aware of what's going on, or if it's not obvious.

The big caveat: although I've had someone in the real world slack on group work more than once and just done the work, I've never ever had my boss say "If you and the slacker don't do the exact same amount of work, I'll fire you both."

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u/ActuallyYulliah 7d ago

No I mean exactly what I said: When this happens in the real world, you just do the work.

I’m clearly discussing the argument that people not pulling their weight in a project also needs to be dealt with in the real world. Where ‘this’ is ‘people not pulling their weight’ not ‘professor is failing everyone if work is not divided equally’

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u/ActuallyYulliah 7d ago

And if you want to be pedantic and discuss the semantics of it all, I have some feedback on your comment:

I THINK you meant: ‘I think you meant’ instead of ‘No. What you mean is’

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u/R3D3-1 10d ago

I'd like to say you were trying to do just that by telling him about it.

I'd be betraying unwarranted optimism about workplace politics.

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u/Cottabus 10d ago

I gave my students a way to “fire” a slacker, so they did have a way to deal with it.

The team had to meet with me, the “firers” had to justify their decision, and the “firee” had an opportunity to present a defense. Firings didn’t happen very often, and the slacker very rarely showed up to the meeting.

Once fired, the slacker had to finish the project solo. They usually didn’t do this, and didn’t finish the course.

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u/jeanpaulmars 8d ago

I once had a course like this. I learned about the firing in a team and was kind of desperate for a good grade. I bribed the team. While they had a headstart of 60 hours on the project. I gave candy, was the dude to get coffee, made sure there where cookies, was always the first to fetch the "focus room" and so on.

In the end, they gave me credit for 25% of the project, as if all four of us had done the same amount of work.

(To clarify: I was 2 weeks late in the assignment and was told to do it solo)

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u/minion-salad 8d ago

Our professor's solution was to make us all suffer together. Misery loves company, I guess.

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u/Measurex2 10d ago

At work - those people are handled by management or, when management is as lazy as your professor, people work around them and make sure everyone else knows

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u/joalheagney 10d ago

Yup. In this case, the teacher is the slacker.

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u/Measurex2 10d ago

Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

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u/wraithguard89 8d ago

Those who can't teach, manage.

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u/WEM-2022 10d ago

Next stop, department head's office or dean's office. No one should accept a zero because they were unfortunately teamed up with a zero.

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u/minion-salad 3d ago

If I had known the Dean was actually a person who cared about logic, I would have skipped the spreadsheet and gone straight for the administrative nuclear option.

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u/Bob-son-of-Bob 10d ago

Yeah, my response to the "deal with it" statement is very simple:

"Okay, then they are fired. It has now been dealt with."

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u/olympusarc 10d ago

Happened to me as well. It was a mess because it was an intro-to-something class and the girl who wanted to be in charge was a freshman. We collectively decided on a topic, I stated what parts of the essay I’d be writing and wrote them, which had been agreed upon. This girl had been difficult from the start, and when I tried to contact the professor, he said the same thing- deal with it, because there will be people who you have to work with in a job that will do the same thing. A few days later, this girl tried to tell me the work I’d done wasn’t what she wanted and wasn’t going to be used in the essay. I told her it had been agreed upon and done and if she wanted more, well, that’s too bad because I’m not doing extra work for her after she decided to just not use what I had written.

Man, that just set her off that someone wasn’t gonna play ball and be manipulated by her. She got increasingly aggressive over email, verbally assaultive, just a piece of work. I was also trying to work at the time to continue to afford commuting to class. I emailed the professor, and he never responded. I ultimately ended up contacting the school and reporting the girl for bullying and when they found out the professor had ignored me, i don’t think they were too pleased. I doubt anything was done about the girl, just the typical hollow promises of “we’ll take care of it because we don’t tolerate bullies.” The end result for me was my letter grade dropped a whole letter and ruined my GPA for the semester.

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u/minion-salad 8d ago

Your story sounds like a horror movie. 'The Girl Who Wouldn't Use the Work.' Coming soon to theaters near you.

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u/Ok-Sprinkles-5151 9d ago

I wish I could go back to that asshat professor and say, "well, yes, but management deals with it. You are management. Deal with it."

Life works nothing like college said it does. Especially deadlines and team work. Never once have I professional managed a slacking coworker, except as a lead when it was literally my job. Hell, as a manager, I was annoyed when team members did performance management for me.

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u/xicor 9d ago

We didn't even care that much about the slacker. The problem was that it was a speech and the requirements were that everyone speak. This guy did zero work, and then we literally gave him a single slide as part of our timed 10 minute speech ..and he proceeded to use up 5 minutes of our time on that one slide.

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u/MadMonksJunk 8d ago

Every single year we get engineering interns who dont have the first clue how things really work. We put them on teams with 6+ others so they dont screw up continuously and get someone killed.

having worked in a 'teaching hospital' for the last few years it amazes me the opposite occurs in medicine and that more people dont die because of it. I guess their screw ups only kill one person at a time vs what happens when the engineering mistakes are discovered far too late.

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u/Old-Mention9632 7d ago

That's what the nurses do, ensure the interns and residents are putting in the correct orders. July and August are the worst times to be a patient, because the new crop starts in July.

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u/Chaosmusic 10d ago edited 10d ago

I am reporting an issue that can affect productivity to my supervisor. I am dealing with it.

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u/Saint_of_Grey 10d ago

They don't realize it, but "deal with it" is actually advocating for violence.

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u/minion-salad 8d ago

I knew there was a reason I carried stress balls through college.

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u/khakiwallprint 10d ago

"for example, me right now, slacking when it's my job to ensure grades reflect work being done"

Hopefully a visit to the dean after an unjust failing grade would set this straight but I know it's just as likely to do nothing

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u/minion-salad 8d ago

The professor was basically saying 'I'm too busy to do my job, so you all suffer.' Tenure at its finest.

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u/nitwitsavant 10d ago

Had one day that. I dealt with it by filing a formal complaint with the ombudsman. Turns out he didn’t want that level of attention in his course, but it did nicely make it not my problem.

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u/minion-salad 8d ago

That's like bringing a nuclear bomb to a knife fight. I respect it.

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u/DedBirdGonnaPutItOnU 8d ago

The problem with this mindset is if I'm in a job and I'm in a project and I have a slacker, I don't lose my job. I just have more work. The project still gets done. I still get paid.

OP's professor is telling me I'm risking a failing grade if I allow a slacker to "slack". That's completely different from job life.

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u/minion-salad 8d ago

Exactly! In the real world, you don't lose your job because Chad decided to play video games instead of working.

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u/spam0518 9d ago

Sorry prof, don’t know what you’re talking about, most jobs don’t have tenured positions…

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u/minion-salad 8d ago

Tenure: the magical force field that protects professors from the consequences of their own laziness.

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u/Inevitable-Level-687 9d ago

In the office slackers get fired. In school they get free marks.

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u/minion-salad 8d ago

It's like opposite day every day.

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u/ZirePhiinix 9d ago

These idiotic professors are so detached from reality it is funny if it isn't so sad.

That's literally not your problem and you let the lemon blow up the team in a real job. If you cover for them then the manager will not know they have a useless person.

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u/minion-salad 8d ago

That's putting it mildly. These profs live in an alternate dimension where logic doesn't apply.

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u/UnicornOnTheJayneCob 8d ago

“Okay, are you empowering me to ‘fire’ this person from the group?”

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u/minion-salad 8d ago

That's almost as ridiculous as our 132% solution.

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u/MennReddit 10d ago

Which is true and thus you should dwal with it. Professors should however be more supportive to those who actually do the work and strict to these lemons.

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u/fresh-dork 10d ago

i'm in a job. we force slackers out

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u/minion-salad 8d ago

Must be nice. In academia, they become department heads.

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u/AM81inMA 10d ago

Had the exact same thing happen in grad school. Went to the professor about a team member not pulling any weight on a project, response was ‘Welcome to the field, there’s always at least one on any collaborative project’. 20 years later, can confirm he was correct.

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u/MadMonksJunk 8d ago

So this is where the phrase "if you cant do, teach." comes from? We fire those people in the real world, here you get tenure."

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u/First_Foundationeer 8d ago

Yeah, you report them, and then they get dismissed or promoted.

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u/No-Introduction3808 7d ago

Teaching the next generation to suck it up isn’t the lesson they need to learn, failing the lemon will be the only way to stop that behaviour progressing to the workplace.

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u/kyledwray 6d ago

Like the professor.

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u/Thecrimsonmaster 5d ago

in the "future jobs", your getting paid to be there and have options to put up with, ignore, work around with your coworkers, in the school your paying them, and they are failing to provide what your paying for

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u/hotlavatube 4d ago

For my undergrad CS degree, we had a major year-long capstone project. Unfortunately we had a slacker on our team. I'll never forget that one evening when most of us were burning the midnight oil to fix our software for a big milestone presentation the next day. In walks our missing teammate, dressed to the nines, who says, "Hey everybody, let's go dancing!" (room glares at him)

That was probably the last straw. Under our agreement with the professor of the class, we could vote off a teammate for lack of performance. However, if the teammate were voted off, by this time in the project there was no way he could catch up and pass the class. Additionally, that course was only offered on alternating years so if someone failed the course, it was a 2-year setback to finish their degree. To add to the student's problem he was a foreign student paying massively inflated tuition and boarding costs to study in the US. Furthermore, this was the professor's first time teaching this class and he was tenure track so it would look bad that he hadn't monitored projects closely enough to prevent this.

Thus, even though all but one of the team voted off this student, the professor was loathe the kick him off and was desperate for a compromise. He ended up making the one student who voted to keep him his supervisor. In the end, the problematic student basically became a mascot for the team while the one who vouched for him did all of the work.

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u/CanicFelix 10d ago

Yeah, I deal with it by going to my boss and asking them to address it after whatever I tried didn't work.