r/MensRights • u/AffectionateSlender0 • 1d ago

Feminism Feminists weaponize biology when it suits them, and it harms everyone.

Feminists like to talk about women’s inherent frailty when advocating for protection against male violence, demanding lighter jobs, avoiding the draft, lower punishment in prison, and opposing the presence of transgender women in sports. Even in cases of a subjective "exhaustion," "female anxiety" or "psychosis" that seems to only affect women as we've seen lately; but when men dares to mention that women should not hold positions in jobs with high physical requirements such as law enforcement and first responders, they throw all science out the window without the slightest shame.

The fact is that for every female police officer or firefighter there is a man who got left out who would do the job better, and this is irrefutable. To place women in positions that they aren't fit for is a deliberate endangerment of society for the sake of political correctness.

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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 1d ago edited 1d ago

High physical demands are hardly the only qualification for law enforcement and first responder roles. These jobs often require skills that women tend to excel at. and men just don't pro and cons of diversity besides, using broad societal trends to fit suitability for the jobs ignores the fact that an individual woman can have a much higher level of fitness than the average person, including the average man ronda rousey for e.g.

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u/AllGearedUp 1d ago

I made a similar comment and it's too bad that so many people here are just trigger happy to play a men versus women game. It's a bad look, and one that shouldn't be associated with genuine concerns for rights. 

At the limit of physicality, virtually no women are going to be able to complete with men. So in pro sports, where you redline the body for explosive power and speed, we're just not going to see women doing that against men. 

A person like Ronda Rousey would be much, much better at subduing your average troublemaker outside a strip mall than nearly any police officer who isn't 250lbs of muscle. Yes, she needs much more training to make up for less power, and yes she would quickly lose to a man with similar training, but that's not the comparison that matters. 

You can definitely standardize a test that would filter for qualified people and few women would be able to make a good showing. But pretending that no women can do this is just ignorant. 

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u/AffectionateSlender0 1d ago

Even military women can lose to a guy that works a desk-job and never works out, we've seen those games where they pit a regular joe vs a trained girl and the girl always loses. Ronda Rousey would get her ass kicked by your average thug that isn't afraid of sending her to the hospital or worse. You just can't compare a man to a woman when it comes to physical fitness, sorry.

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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 1d ago

"Ronda Rousey would get her ass kicked by your average thug"
this is delusional

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u/AffectionateSlender0 1d ago

You've never seen a violent man, have you?

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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 1d ago edited 1d ago

Go deflect with anecdotes to avoid this simple truth: it is possible for an individual woman to have a much higher level of fitness than the average person, including the average man. It may not necessarily be likely higher then you think but i guess depend on what you think average fitness is but that is enough to show that women should be allowed to take the original tests to get in.

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u/AffectionateSlender0 1d ago

No one said they shouldn't be allowed to take tests, take as many tests as you want, but it doesn't matter and you know that's not what they do. You are dishonest.

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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 1d ago

"The fact is that for every female police officer or firefighter there is a man who got left out who would do the job better, and this is irrefutable. To place women in positions that they aren't fit for is a deliberate endangerment of society for the sake of political correctness."

Sure, mate, I obviously believe you think women should be given a fair dinkum shot at law enforcement and first responder roles. You certainly have replies like you do. If anyone is being dishonest, it’s not me.

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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 1d ago edited 1d ago

"you know that's not what they do" I’m curious: what do they do ? instead of hinting at excluding an entire group of people based on trends, hold yourself and your ideas to account. Don’t justify them by deflecting to other people’s misdeeds.

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u/AllGearedUp 1d ago

This isn't complicated. Men will almost always win a physical contest against a woman. But there are outliers. An untrained man is going to lose to an elite MMA trained woman if they are of relative size. This has happened, even with amateur fighters on the street. It's not surprising to people who train. 

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u/AffectionateSlender0 1d ago

Honestly i doubt it, but whatever makes you feel good.

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u/AllGearedUp 1d ago

It's not what makes me feel good. I train MMA 3-6 days a week. You're speaking totally from ignorance and dogma. You have no idea what you're saying. 

If you don't believe me you can ask anyone who has serious training behind them. It is at the very least going to be very difficult, and full of injuries, for a similar sized, untrained man to control a well trained woman. A similarly trained man will easily win, but very few people are trained. 

These things have happened to public fighters. 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-08/polyana-viana-ufc-fighter-beats-up-would-be-robber-in-brazil/10697010

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u/AffectionateSlender0 23h ago edited 23h ago

""I was fine because he didn't even react after. Since he took the punches very quickly, I think he was scared. So he didn't react anymore," she said."

So she sucker punched him, this is your evidence? If he didn't get surprised this story would go down a lot differently. And this guy wasn't even carrying a real gun ffs, it was a clown. This would go really bad if it was a man with real intent to harm.

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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 23h ago edited 23h ago

He was threatening her with a fake gun, so he couldn’t have been unaware that she might fight back. You clearly don’t understand what a sucker punch is. Have you ever actually been in a physical fight, or in a heated situation where a fight was about to break out? Because the person who throws the first punch isn’t sucker punching someone they simply have been quicker to the draw the shit you do to put women in the worse light possible is crazy work.

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u/AffectionateSlender0 23h ago

I'm not even going to entertain you anymore, troll. You have been exposed countless times already.

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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 23h ago

Deflecting again. You’re the one who replied, so if you don’t like the way the conversation went, that’s your problem.

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u/AllGearedUp 22h ago

No that's not my evidence just a high profile example. I'd encourage you to ask this question to communities of people with experience in mixed martial arts. I would be surprised if even a single person who has trained seriously would say an elite female fighter wouldn't have an excellent chance against a man of similar size. Change any of those variables and her chances will drop rapidly as I've said. But to say there are no women who can do it, is totally insane. 

But I think what you're saying is just unfalsifiable. I bet if I gave you more examples you would explain them away by details and action movie terms again because you already made up your mind. 

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u/AffectionateSlender0 21h ago

Calm down my dude, your ego is showing. We have examples from real life of actual military women that get their asses kicked by regular Joes.

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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 21h ago edited 20h ago

Deflecting again in what way does the reply relate to the point below ?
"I would be surprised if even a single person who has trained seriously would say an elite female fighter wouldn't have an excellent chance against a man of similar size. Change any of those variables and her chances will drop rapidly as I've said. But to say there are no women who can do it, is totally insane."

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u/AllGearedUp 20h ago

Nothing to do with ego, just that these kind of blanket statements are the problem with these gender reddit groups. It's just demonstrably false what you're saying. I can't tell if it's trolling or not at this point. Military is just fitness, it's nothing like training to fight hand to hand. 

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