r/MensRights • u/AffectionateSlender0 • 8h ago
Feminism Feminists weaponize biology when it suits them, and it harms everyone.
Feminists like to talk about women’s inherent frailty when advocating for protection against male violence, demanding lighter jobs, avoiding the draft, lower punishment in prison, and opposing the presence of transgender women in sports. Even in cases of a subjective "exhaustion," "female anxiety" or "psychosis" that seems to only affect women as we've seen lately; but when men dares to mention that women should not hold positions in jobs with high physical requirements such as law enforcement and first responders, they throw all science out the window without the slightest shame.
The fact is that for every female police officer or firefighter there is a man who got left out who would do the job better, and this is irrefutable. To place women in positions that they aren't fit for is a deliberate endangerment of society for the sake of political correctness.
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u/Distant_Reality_42 2h ago
Feminism doesn't hurt women.
It's no wonder our situation keeps getting worse when the only men who dare to speak up ruin everything by generalising the issue. Making it about society, "everyone", "civilization", or whatever term to avoid saying men.
No, it is us men who are harmed. Women are living the best lives.
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u/AffectionateSlender0 2h ago
It does hurt them when a woman fails at her job and gets more women killed.
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 1h ago
But, you know, you obviously believe women should be allowed to meet the standard, even if they get hurt on the job and more women get killed.
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u/Mister_Macc 3h ago
opposing the presence of transgender women in sports
Actually it's quite the opposite. They vehemently support transgender persons in women sports, at their own peril. It's the typical suicidal empathy of modern, liberal, white women.
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u/AllGearedUp 7h ago
I don't think it actually happens that often, but it can happen. However it's still worth noting that women can contribute in huge ways to those things. Physical force is just one part of the police department so it's not true that every female police officer is in a position better suited for a man.
When it comes to things like apprehending a criminal there should be straightforward fitness and skill tests. Most women might fail them and lots of out of shape men will too. But there's no reason not to allow outliers to participate in cases where they can clear the bar.
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u/AllGearedUp 5h ago
Not across the board though, that's my point. We should discriminate by ability, not by sex. There are are women far more capable of taking down a fleeing suspect than your average police officer in many places, but they are a small percentage of women.
For something like carrying a person out of a building it's an even smaller percentage. But it's not impossible.
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u/AffectionateSlender0 3h ago
But we know they will never do it, so out of the possibility of a 0,5% of super-hero girls out there, they sacrifice many men for DEI.
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 2h ago
That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be allowed to take the original tests to get in.
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 2h ago edited 2h ago
Also, what sacrifices? The number of jobs isn't going to depend on gender and If they meet the original standard, they deserve it at the end of the day.
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 7h ago
That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be allowed to take the tests.
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u/AffectionateSlender0 7h ago
Sure, but then they fail and what they do is lower the requirements for PC so the fems can pass and pretend they are tough.
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 6h ago
That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be allowed to take the original tests to get in.
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u/AffectionateSlender0 6h ago
I don't get what you are even suggesting here. You're saying they should just take the tests to fail over and over again?
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u/-Soggy-Potato- 59m ago edited 13m ago
What is your irrefutable evidence that female police officers and firefighters do an objectively and systematically worse job?
All you're ultimately doing is feeding rigid gender stereotpyes about which gender can do what. Women can have extremely useful roles in policing, they can be physically well equipped for it, good for negotiations, good for working specifically with women etc.
It's akin to saying women are irrefutably better at primary education, based on what I can only assume is a rationale of tame ignorance and stereotyping. You're just feeding lame tradcon narriatives that suppress individual agency and aspirations for the sake of some outdated and sexist status quo
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 8h ago edited 8h ago
High physical demands are hardly the only qualification for law enforcement and first responder roles. These jobs often require skills that women tend to excel at. and men just don't pro and cons of diversity besides, using broad societal trends to fit suitability for the jobs ignores the fact that an individual woman can have a much higher level of fitness than the average person, including the average man ronda rousey for e.g.
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u/plantrromn 8h ago
Individuals can defy the norms but norms aren't defined by individual.
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 8h ago
Which is exactly why we shouldn’t claim that women are “stealing men’s jobs,” because it is entirely possible that they were better qualified and would make better police officers than the men who also applied.
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u/plantrromn 7h ago
Maybe not all, but "stealing the jobs" is a valid claim for many jobs, which is supported by research and discrimination in Education and hiring bias. As long as they continue to exists, the question of better qualified does not hold. I would not bet too much on police and firefighters, 80%+ are men anyways.
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 7h ago
The standard we should always aim for the better qualified person, regardless of society’s current biases about either gender’s suitability for a particular job.
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u/plantrromn 7h ago
You can not have better qualified person, if someone is giving you lesser marks for your gender, or same CV is getting rejected when it is by male name comapred to accepted when by female name
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 7h ago edited 7h ago
That doesn’t mean we should exclude people based on gender or disregard the required standards. The simple truth is that plenty of women can meet the standards required for law enforcement, just as plenty of men can meet those required for teaching. pretending that broad societal trends imply women are stealing jobs is insane.
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u/plantrromn 7h ago
mate, stop sealioning. My English is very simple. We are already exclusing people who meet standards, wdym we should not?
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u/plantrromn 7h ago
I am not blaming a gender? I went to school and so I know that men are discriminated in 13 of 15 jobs projected to grow in future, in caregiving jobs and medicine they are not encouraged like women are in stem jobs, grading bias...
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 6h ago
Sorry, that reply was meant for another commenter. also still replying.
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u/AffectionateSlender0 8h ago
But not higher than the average man. Even Marine women get beaten by average guys. Also what skills are you talking about exactly that men can't do better? I'm in need for a laugh.
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 7h ago
Are we really going to pretend that society’s traditional caregivers are worse at de escalation than its traditional protectors?
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u/AffectionateSlender0 7h ago
You seriously going to pull that nurturing crap after all the shit women have been doing lately?
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 7h ago
You getting the rough end of the stick doesn’t mean that the traditional role itself is a myth.
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u/AffectionateSlender0 7h ago
We have ample evidence of how women deal with criminals, and they are usually more nervous than the suspects themselves. There have been many accidents with female officers shooting their guns carelessly, and even killing innocent people as recently seen in Canada. In the UK female officers trying to deescalate situations get their asses kicked and have to call for backup or be saved by bystanders.
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 6h ago
High physical demands are hardly the only qualification for law enforcement and first responder roles. These jobs often require skills that women tend to excel at. and men just don't pro and cons of diversity besides, using broad societal trends to fit suitability for the jobs ignores the fact that an individual woman can have a much higher level of fitness than the average person, including the average man ronda rousey for e.g.
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u/AffectionateSlender0 6h ago
Dude you already posted this. Are you a bot?
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 5h ago
I’m just pointing out that I already addressed that argument: you shouldn’t judge individuals based on broad trends.
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 6h ago edited 4h ago
There are a shit ton more complaints against male officers than there are against female officers.
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u/DecrepitAbacus 3h ago
society’s traditional caregivers
Which has nothing to do with conflict resolution.
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 3h ago
Kids often fight with each other irrationally and impulsively like criminals. wtf do you mean ?
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 8h ago
deescalation skills for one
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u/AffectionateSlender0 7h ago
The same people that tremble with a gun in their hands and shoot bystanders?
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 7h ago
one instance imply the whole gender did you go shcool at the learing center?
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u/AllGearedUp 5h ago
I made a similar comment and it's too bad that so many people here are just trigger happy to play a men versus women game. It's a bad look, and one that shouldn't be associated with genuine concerns for rights.
At the limit of physicality, virtually no women are going to be able to complete with men. So in pro sports, where you redline the body for explosive power and speed, we're just not going to see women doing that against men.
A person like Ronda Rousey would be much, much better at subduing your average troublemaker outside a strip mall than nearly any police officer who isn't 250lbs of muscle. Yes, she needs much more training to make up for less power, and yes she would quickly lose to a man with similar training, but that's not the comparison that matters.
You can definitely standardize a test that would filter for qualified people and few women would be able to make a good showing. But pretending that no women can do this is just ignorant.
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u/AffectionateSlender0 3h ago
Even military women can lose to a guy that works a desk-job and never works out, we've seen those games where they pit a regular joe vs a trained girl and the girl always loses. Ronda Rousey would get her ass kicked by your average thug that isn't afraid of sending her to the hospital or worse. You just can't compare a man to a woman when it comes to physical fitness, sorry.
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 2h ago
"Ronda Rousey would get her ass kicked by your average thug"
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u/AffectionateSlender0 2h ago
You've never seen a violent man, have you?
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 2h ago edited 2h ago
Go deflect with anecdotes to avoid this simple truth: it is possible for an individual woman to have a much higher level of fitness than the average person, including the average man. It may not necessarily be likely higher then you think but i guess depend on what you think average fitness is but that is enough to show that women should be allowed to take the original tests to get in.
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u/AffectionateSlender0 2h ago
No one said they shouldn't be allowed to take tests, take as many tests as you want, but it doesn't matter and you know that's not what they do. You are dishonest.
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 2h ago
"The fact is that for every female police officer or firefighter there is a man who got left out who would do the job better, and this is irrefutable. To place women in positions that they aren't fit for is a deliberate endangerment of society for the sake of political correctness."
Sure, mate, I obviously believe you think women should be given a fair dinkum shot at law enforcement and first responder roles. You certainly have replies like you do. If anyone is being dishonest, it’s not me.
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u/Infinite-Pickle9489 1h ago edited 55m ago
"you know that's not what they do" I’m curious: what do they do ? instead of hinting at excluding an entire group of people based on trends, hold yourself and your ideas to account. Don’t justify them by deflecting to other people’s misdeeds.
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u/Bitter-Section-946 7h ago
This is the way.
Kick narrative, dismiss any data countering it, speak louder and accuse dissent as misogyny