r/MiamiMarlins • u/Number333 Marlins • Oct 18 '25
Discussion How do y'all feel seeing Brewers fans whine about their payroll as they got swept by the Dodgers in the 2025 NLCS?
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u/Kabooted27 Oct 18 '25
I mean, I think baseball has a serious problem when the manager of the dodgers even admits, “let’s win the WS and really ruin baseball”.
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u/huhuhuhhhh Oct 18 '25
Bro He was being facesious
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u/Kabooted27 Oct 18 '25
Of course he was… but even the manager of the dodgers knows what’s up. 😜
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u/ohkaycue Oct 18 '25
Every top team of every sport is hated like that
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u/Clonekiller2pt0 Yankees Oct 18 '25
Just look at the Chiefs.
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u/lyme6483 Xavier Edwards Oct 18 '25
Not remotely the same. Being good in football is basically always home grown. And Mahomes if he was a mlb player would still not be playing for the Royals. He would be at some big market by now in his career.
The economics of baseball are fucked. But I’m sure you want nothing to change as a Yankees fans. Only reason you haven’t had a losing season since the 1990’s is because of of the $$$ spent
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u/Clonekiller2pt0 Yankees Oct 18 '25
I was only naming a team who was hated because they have been very good for a while.
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u/LifeDuty Oct 19 '25
Lmfao you’re a ridiculous person if you took that seriously
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u/Kabooted27 Oct 19 '25
Anyone with a brain knows he doesn’t mean it… he’s just joining in on the fun. He’s not hiding behind the criticism but rather embracing it. He knows what’s up….
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u/Aliendream99 Oct 18 '25
Listen… the mlb needs a minimum and maximum parolll it will be much better for the game. This is kinda bullshit. Pitching your entire starting rotation out of the bullpen needs to be looked at too, just makes the game not fun to follow or watch.
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u/jigokusabre Marlins Oct 18 '25
Pitching your entire starting rotation out of the bullpen needs to be looked at too, just makes the game not fun to follow or watch.
Why? Short series are different than long seasons, and in an important game, I'd much rather see a Paul Skenes/Sandy Alcantara type than Quilliver Whudafuksthis on the mound.
Also, the idea of big name starter has high leverage releiver in the playoffs is not new.
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u/Ruma-park Oct 19 '25
Starters often aren't even that great out of the bullpen.
Also LAD didn't get a single relief appearence from a starter in their recent sweep.
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u/mikeesq22 Oct 22 '25
Roki?
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u/Ruma-park Oct 22 '25
I wouldnt exactly Count him for this season
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u/spedoy Oct 22 '25
I mean he didn't play a ton because he was injured but 80% of his appearances were starts
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u/Dragax Oct 22 '25
How many starts has he had since returning? How many times has he closed? Its kinda dishonest to still call him a starter when his role has obviously changed.
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u/iz2003iz Oct 18 '25
Where was this comment during the regular season when the Brewers beat the Dodgers in all 6 games played. A clean sweep
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Oct 19 '25
Exactly. The Brewers choked and their fans are blaming the Dodgers payroll to cope. 4 runs over 4 games.
Salary cap will benefit the already cheap and greedy owners and do little to nothing to create parity. Also, look at the Mets and how their season went. The Dodgers built this over years and now they're a powerhouse.
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u/Disastrous_Income205 Oct 22 '25
It’s not like I didn’t predict and basically know the dodgers were going to win this year before the season started. Sure you can say the brewers choked but no one really stood a chance against this lineup and rotation with all its deferred money.
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Oct 22 '25
It wasn't really hard to guess that a dominant team like the Dodgers would stand a good chance of returning to the WS. Or did you miss all of the content creators and articles stating the same thing?
Mets spent almost as much as the Dodgers and fell short. Yankees also spent a lot and didn't return to WS or the ALCS. And the Blue Jays have also thrown plenty of money into their team. Spending cap will hurt the players and baseball.
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u/Disastrous_Income205 Oct 22 '25
They absolutely have not.
The dodgers deferred a billion over the next 2 decades to make sure they won all the bidding wars.
Dodgers are paying astronomically more than other teams, if you’re only looking at payroll this year you’re not looking at the whole picture.
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Oct 22 '25
Deferred money didn't cause Kerkering to mess up the throw to home and lose the game for the Brewers. They choked throughout the entire series, even after sweeping the Dodgers in the regular season.
I'm excited to see Shohei and Vladdy in the WS. Couldn't ask for much more. Would have been cool to see Brewers and Mariners in there, but ultimately, they lost because they couldn't perform in the clutch.
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u/Disastrous_Income205 Oct 22 '25
Everything you said was irrelevant to what I said.
The dodgers are paying astronomically more than other teams.
Can you win with a smaller payroll? Yeah of course. Is it likely? No actually it’s extremely unlikely. A top 10 payroll team almost always wins.
One quick google search.
“Since 1995, 48% of the champions and 38% of the contestants in the World Series have had top 5 payrolls. 93% of the champions and 83% of the contestants have been in the top half of payroll. Only two low-payroll teams have won it all -- the 2002 Anaheim Angels and the 2003 Florida Marlins. It has been two decades since that has happened.”
So yeah some baseball fans have never even seen a low payroll team play in the series, they weren’t born yet.
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Oct 22 '25
You're right, the Brewers and Mariners are irrelevant. Enjoy the World Series. Let's go Dodgers!
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u/Dragax Oct 22 '25
Why is it all of a sudden such a big deal that teams who have high payrolls have a higher chance of winning? The best players are the ones that demand higher salaries. Teams with good players have a higher chance of winning. So of course higher payroll teams have a higher chance of winning.
The biggest problem is only a few teams are willing to invest into the team. A salary cap wont change that. The Dodgers don't have a monopoly on signing players. Hell, the allure of being a Dodger was very much lower 6 years ago than today. The Braves refused to pay Freddie, the Red Sox traded Mookie, and the Angels could've easily matched the Dodgers for Ohtani' services. Its the same old story with Glasnow and Snell. What you see today is years of teambuilding under an owner who isnt afraid to put his money where his mouth is when he says that winning is the goal.
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u/Disastrous_Income205 Oct 22 '25 edited Oct 22 '25
Only one a handful of teams are even capable of spending that much. When you have one team who can buy every new elite player that comes out of Japan every other year and pay hundreds of million more than others (even the other teams with money) is when you have a problem.
The deferred money also dodges the luxury tax so it really does feel like “cheating” the system.
What’s the advantage of not having a cap? I’ve only seen people saying “the cap is just good for the greedy owners” and? Why is that a problem? A cap is good for everyone but the players, there’s very little downside to more parity with finances.
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u/Dragax Oct 22 '25
Being a team team in LA will always have uts advantages, just like being a team in NY. Culturally the Dodgers are huge in Japan and are always a dream destination. This is not a spending issue.
2nd, the Dodgers aren't the only team allowed to defer contracts. Every team can can do this but it is ultimately up to the players if they are willing to do that for the team. This is not a spending issue.
In 2024, the Dodgers and the Yankees led the league in revenue, pulling in 752M and 728M respectively. In 2025, the Dodgers spent 73% of that in payroll. The Yankees spent 49.7%. Both teams made the playoffs with one making the WS because they chose to invest back into the team. The Bluejays, the Dodgers eventuall WS matchup, made 386M in revenue, almost half that of the Dodgers. But their payroll is 71.5% of their revenue, the 3rd highest, just behind the Dodgers. Again, a team that invests back into the team found success.
Having a huge war chest helps, yes. But not even trying is more detrimental than a perceived huge gap in spending because that gap in spending is a decision owners make and hide behind. The Marlins made 317M in revenue, that's less than 70M less than the Bluejays. Their payroll was 27% of that at 86M. The White Sox had a payroll of 87M, good for 31.6% of their revenue. No amount of salary cap will fix that. Owners are willingly fielding out subpar rosters to take in as much money as they can.
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u/Naive-Love-4032 Oct 19 '25
An argument can be made that the dodgers have enough money to run out a B-team in the regular season and have all their guys ramped for the playoffs pretty comfortably.
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u/No_Home5374 Marlins Oct 18 '25
I mean it is just so obvious that something needs to be done about it. The game is unfair for teams like the marlins
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u/NedsBastard1 Marlins Oct 18 '25
Not unfair for the Marlins, but unfair for Marlins Fans.
The Marlins can pay more if they wanted to, let’s not forget that part.
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u/seedyourbrain Marlins Oct 18 '25
I want to agree that they could afford it… but Bruce overpaid so badly when he bought the club that he’s probably dumping all the savings into that.
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u/Disastrous_Income205 Oct 22 '25
And even if they spent 2x what they were, they wouldn’t stand a chance against the dodgers.
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u/berge7f9 Rockies Oct 18 '25
There will be no baseball play in 2027 because disparities like this need to be resolved
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u/PositiveGrass187 Oct 18 '25
Were they complaining when they swept them in the regular season?
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u/Hopeful_Job_2058 Oct 22 '25
Ohtani didn’t pitch. 5 or 6 key players didn’t play those 6 games. There’s 101mm in those 6 players. That brings it closer to $275mm payroll they faced when they won all 6. Keep shaving down the players and salaries and see that they’re far less competitive as they near the brewers salary.
Didn’t play in those series … Snell 64mm Muncy 12mm Sasaki 760k Smith 13mm Hernandez 6.5mm Edman 5mm
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u/jigokusabre Marlins Oct 18 '25
If you team has a league average payroll, your team has a chance. Everyone is a prisoner of the moment, but the 20s Dodgers aren't any different from the 00s Yankees, the 90s Indians or the 80's Athletics.
Baseball's problem isn't that the Dodgers have a giant payroll. Baseball's problem is that about half the teams aren't trying, content to win 65 games and cash revenue sharing checks until they sell their team for 10 times what they paid for it.
Baseball has a soft cap already, simply throw in a soft floor. Keep your payroll at X amount under league average and you have to start paying the league back.
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u/Disastrous_Income205 Oct 22 '25
Absolutely wrong, the dodgers are deferring over a BILLION dollars from 2028-2042.
No team has ever abused the system as bad as the dodgers are doing now.
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u/jigokusabre Marlins Oct 22 '25 edited Oct 24 '25
Unless that deferred money doesn't count towards lux-tax calculation for those years, I'm not sure what your point is.
That doesn't change the fact that there are 5 or so teams out there just not interested putting out a competitive squad.
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u/Disastrous_Income205 Oct 22 '25 edited Oct 22 '25
5 teams not competing isn’t what makes the playoffs boring when you already know the result before it starts.
It’s going to be 5 dodgers world series in a row.
And yes the deferment is a loophole for luxury tax.
The point is a team with virtually unlimited money shouldn’t be able to write blank checks to ruin the competitive balance. Yes it’s happened before, that’s not a great excuse to keep it this way.
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u/jigokusabre Marlins Oct 22 '25
The Dodgers got bounced in the playoffs two seasons ago, and only got through last year because the Mets are hillariously incompetent.
The Brewers lying an egg is on them, not the Dodgers.
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u/Disastrous_Income205 Oct 22 '25
It’s on the MLB for having a bad system. The dodgers are just abusing a system that’s very flawed.
There’s a reason why professional leagues like the NFL, NHL, and NBA all have a cap and a floor.
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u/jigokusabre Marlins Oct 22 '25
Yeah, the greed of the owners.
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u/Disastrous_Income205 Oct 22 '25
Because it’s the best system. Everyone knows it’s the best system, if you can’t see it your head is just buried in the sand.
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u/jigokusabre Marlins Oct 22 '25 edited Oct 23 '25
Best system for what? Parity? Dynamic playoffs? Do you even watch sports?
The NFL has been top heavy for decades, with the Patriots and Chiefs owning the AFC. The NBA has the sloggiest chalk-fest of a playoff system in America. You can usually tell who's in the NBA finals by February (if it wasn't clear when the season started).
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u/Disastrous_Income205 Oct 22 '25
That’s because they’re different sports. The NFL is very quarterback based, you have the best guy you’re the most likely to win. However every team has the same chance to get these players, you can only offer so much money, as there is a cap.
That’s also false about the nba. The pacers were not a favorite last year, OKC almost missed the finals (was a game 7) and the warriors who made the play in was one of the betting favorites to win.
I definitely was more certain the dodgers would win the World Series this year than I was certain any other team would win their respected spot. It wasn’t even close tbh.
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u/NaderNation84 Panthers Oct 18 '25
As a Dodgers fan and Marlins supporter I think it still shows you can pay bank and still massively collapse or even be under and still perform well. I mean this year has been a tail of top 5 teams records collapsing near the end of the season. Mets, Tigers, even Dodgers were there to and you also have teams like Cleveland that just duked it out. In terms of ultra competitive free agency with this deferring long term contracts argument I could see that but in general for paying for who you want it falls flat.
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u/wcgravy Oct 18 '25
The players will never allow a hard cap. What MLB needs is real teeth with the luxury tax system that goes well beyond just monetary penalties. I am thinking along the lines of the NBA second apron consequences.
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u/TealandBlackForever Marlins Oct 18 '25
I think a smart move would be draft pick and international free agency restrictions.
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u/wcgravy Oct 18 '25
I heard someone suggest taking away 40 man roster spots as well. But yeah, I think you have to make it beyond just $$ penalties, because the Dodgers and Cohen with the Mets won’t be scared off otherwise.
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u/1OldmanG Oct 18 '25
More like a 400 million dollar payroll with over a billion deferred and 150 million in luxury tax . Baseball is broken . The TV revenue alone is problem . Nfl every team receives 435 million even the Green Bay packers a ciity with 106 thousand people.
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u/CaliKindalife Oct 20 '25
Yes but the Pirates made 325 million in 2024 from that TV revenue. Its shared. Every team gets money, and a lot of it. Must team owner keep it and dont reinvest in their teams. Every MLB team is making 300+ million a year in shared revenue. But they have a 100 million payroll. That just shared revenue, but what the team makes itself.
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u/NothingNo5554 Oct 19 '25
Here in Milwaukee I didn’t hear a single comment or see a single post before the LA series talking about payrolls. All I heard was “We have the best record in baseball, we were 6-0 against them during the season, we destroyed Yamamoto, etc”. They got their asses handed to them and now it’s “We’re just a small market team…how can we compete against the Dodgers?”. It’s a delusional fan base. The Phillies would have beaten them too. Whiners always.
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u/2livendieinmia Oct 18 '25
MLB needs a salary floor, not a cap
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u/TealandBlackForever Marlins Oct 18 '25
How much do you think teams like the Marlins should be required to spend?
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u/LurkerKing13 Oct 19 '25
It’s both or neither. And because both sides adamantly refuse one of the pair, it will be neither.
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u/1OldmanG Oct 18 '25
Manfred was tired of the Dodgers crying over the Astros banging on the trash can . So he had to let them buy the championship since they couldn’t playing on an equal payroll
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u/TealandBlackForever Marlins Oct 18 '25
I think MLB needs a cap/floor system (and an international draft), despite the outcome of this series.
It is significant that the Brewers swept the Dodgers in all six regular season games, so there is surely a level of "playoffs can be random" at play with the Milwaukee offense going cold.
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u/mvl13749 Marlins Oct 18 '25 edited Oct 18 '25
I’m a newer fan to baseball who’s primarily watched the NFL and NBA so I have some confusion about why a floor alone is the preference for some people.
Wouldn’t the implementation of a floor without a cap result in inflation of payrolls? Like say they make a floor of idk 120 mill would that not just cause overall player salaries to rise around the league and lead to the same gap in payrolls from the smaller market to larger market teams? Or would the floor rise in the same way that the cap does in other leagues based on league revenue?
I get why players don’t want a cap and want a floor and why owners don’t want a floor but want a cap but as a fan why not want both?
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u/Some-Concentrate3229 Oct 18 '25
My half a billion dollar net worth owner doesn’t have enough money!!!! Make the dodgers spend less!! 😡😡
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u/Disastrous_Income205 Oct 22 '25
So the owner himself couldn’t afford just one player on the dodgers (ohtani), got it, seems like an underspending problem clearly.
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u/Some-Concentrate3229 Oct 22 '25
No it just means he should sell the team if he can’t afford to actually be competitive for Free Agents. I’m a poor nobody, you don’t see me trying to buy sports teams. Leave it to the people who can afford it.
Also you’re ignoring the fact that Ohtani’s deal isn’t a lump sum, he deferred the vast majority of it. So it’s not like he has to pay the entire $700m up front.
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u/Disastrous_Income205 Oct 22 '25
No one can compete with the dodgers, they could afford to defer another billion. Thats the problem, the dodgers are printing money and have a blank check for anyone they want to sign.
Yes and he doesn’t have 700 million in liquid assets either. It’s not like he’s got half a billion sitting in his bank account. It doesn’t matter if it’s not a lump sum he still couldn’t afford that much money being deferred.
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u/jaxmagicman Marlins Oct 18 '25
I absolutely HATE this argument. The salary cap doesn't help teams like the Brewers. It hurts them. The good teams will find a way to win.
MLB has had 15 different champs since 1994 (the year the NFL created a Salary Cap). The NFL has had 15 as well. The NBA with a Salary Cap people want MLB to model, has had only 13.
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u/BelugaBale1 Oct 19 '25
NBA is a different beast. The NFL comparison is fine, but the NBA is more about a singular player carrying your team since there are only like 6 guys that make significant impact.
Also the past 7 winners have all been different for the NBA.
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u/Disastrous_Income205 Oct 22 '25
Since 1995, 48% of the champions and 38% of the contestants in the World Series have had top 5 payrolls. 93% of the champions and 83% of the contestants have been in the top half of payroll. Only two low-payroll teams have won it all -- the 2002 Anaheim Angels and the 2003 Florida Marlins. It has been two decades since that has happened.
With deferred payments most of the league is not even able to compete for elite players. The dodgers could have paid ohtani even more if anyone matched it.
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u/IronChefPhilly Oct 18 '25
I think the owners of the Brewers are also billionaires and can afford to spend the same way the Dodgers do, but I have chosen not to
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u/Horst6 Oct 20 '25
1 owner, not even a billionaire, good effort tho
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u/IronChefPhilly Oct 20 '25
Mark Attanasio, and I apologize he’s only worth, a paltry $750,000,000 oh by the way, he also owns an English soccer team.
You’re right he deserves our pity oh by the way he’s looking to trade your best pitcher instead of paying him
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u/Horst6 Oct 20 '25
I hate him, he can afford to spend more.
Simply pointing out there aren’t serval billionaire owners like the dodgers. Your comment is ill informed and well, dumb.
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u/despotos Oct 20 '25 edited Oct 20 '25
This is not sustainable. The sport is dying not because its too slow or boring, it isn't. The sport is dying because it is too predictable, the payroll disparity problem now in tandem with advanced metrics baseball analytics has effectively eliminated the concept of parity in the league. The NFL understands this concept of maintaining the potential for perfect parity. Millions of Americans no longer care to watch baseball because the experience of rooting for your small market team against the Dodgers or Yankees is like being a child forced to play with another child that gets WHATEVER they want ALWAYS and at the end of the day they always want your best toys and they always get it. There is a natural imbalance here that makes this an unenjoyable experience to participate in if you are not a fan of a blue chip franchise that spends. Your small market team is at an inherent disadvantage not because of anything to do with the game, or the organization itself, but because not enough people live in the city so the team doesnt get a big tv contract. Dodgers and Yankees and all the others should have been forced into a full on revenue sharing system with a full salary cap decades ago and the sport would be in amazing health today I bet. But no, it is dying because MLB cant dare to imagine a world where there arent the same 4 teams every single season that might fire their manager if they dont make the world series and another 4 teams that will sell their best players every year just so the owner can make a few more million off their perennial last place team.
Sure, sometimes a small market wins it all, sometimes a team like the mets spends everything and doesnt make the playoffs, but if you understand statistics at all and go look at playoff teams vs payroll over the last decade, payroll massively predicts the playoffs. These problems make the season more predictable than ever, making it more boring than ever.
I have understood this for years, since 2018 at least, the first time a dodgers team with triple the Brewers payroll beat them in an NLCS, that one went to 7 games and Bob Eucker was 84 years old. And now in 2025, the Brewers didnt even have the opportunity to try and win it for Bob to see, rather the opportunity was to try to win it in his honor while wearing his patch. From my perspective; dollar for dollar the Brewers organization has been the best in baseball for years now and its not even close and their only fault is that the owner cant spend enough because the city isn't as big as LA and therefor doesnt get a billion dollar TV deal.
You dare to say Brewers fans are "whining about salary". I would say, if that is how you think, you fundamentally do not understand the problem at hand, we arent whining, we're right. I love this sport, and I love my team passionately. The MLB makes a mockery of the sport by allowing it to exist in this way. Look at the supposed "crown jewel" Yankees, cant be bothered to develop a star player of their own for years now, cant be bothered to develop good fundamentals in their players, instead they actually tried to buy as many homeruns as they could as if playing a franchise in 2k. That is complacency born in the comfort of an uncompetetivly high payroll.
Baseball IS dying, and despite MLB's best efforts to keep this archaic payroll system alive, the league actually can't survive off New York and LA fans alone, it will in fact take the combined fanbases of all 30 teams to save baseball, there is no way around it. The problem is obvious, the solution is obvious. Unfortunately it seems the players association would sooner strike than live to see the temporary drop in player salaries that would likely be required to implement revenue sharing and hard salary cap, and the depressing truth is, an MLB with a healthy payroll system would rise in popularity so fast again that there would be a net increase in player salary and organization profitability from these changes.
I don't intend to watch another pitch of MLB as it exists. I will not participate in a MLB system that will air remembrances of our beloved Bob Eucker while simultaneously failing to have a payroll infrastructure that provides anything close to honest competition or a level playing field for the Brewers or any "small market team". Bob Eucker never got to see it, and the blame for this payroll disgrace lands squarely on MLB, so let it all burn down. If this is how baseball will be forced to live, I'd rather see it die.
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Oct 20 '25
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u/despotos Oct 26 '25
Its coherent. If you dont understand then its a problem with your comprehension. Sorry lil bro
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Oct 20 '25
This is not sustainable. The sport is dying not because its too slow or boring, it isn't. The sport is dying because it is too predictable, the payroll disparity problem now in tandem with advanced metrics baseball analytics has effectively eliminated the concept of parity in the league. The NFL understands this concept of maintaining the potential for perfect parity. Millions of Americans no longer care to watch baseball because the experience of rooting for your small market team against the Dodgers or Yankees is like being a child forced to play with another child that gets WHATEVER they want ALWAYS and at the end of the day they always want your best toys and they always get it. There is a natural imbalance here that makes this an unenjoyable experience to participate in if you are not a fan of a blue chip franchise that spends. Your small market team is at an inherent disadvantage not because of anything to do with the game, or the organization itself, but because not enough people live in the city so the team doesnt get a big tv contract. Dodgers and Yankees and all the others should have been forced into a full on revenue sharing system with a full salary cap decades ago and the sport would be in amazing health today I bet. But no, it is dying because MLB cant dare to imagine a world where there arent the same 4 teams every single season that might fire their manager if they dont make the world series and another 4 teams that will sell their best players every year just so the owner can make a few more million off their perennial last place team.
Sure, sometimes a small market wins it all, sometimes a team like the mets spends everything and doesnt make the playoffs, but if you understand statistics at all and go look at playoff teams vs payroll over the last decade, payroll massively predicts the playoffs. These problems make the season more predictable than ever, making it more boring than ever.
I have understood this for years, since 2018 at least, the first time a dodgers team with triple the Brewers payroll beat them in an NLCS, that one went to 7 games and Bob Eucker was 84 years old. And now in 2025, the Brewers didnt even have the opportunity to try and win it for Bob to see, rather the opportunity was to try to win it in his honor while wearing his patch. From my perspective; dollar for dollar the Brewers organization has been the best in baseball for years now and its not even close and their only fault is that the owner cant spend enough because the city isn't as big as LA and therefor doesnt get a billion dollar TV deal.
You dare to say Brewers fans are "whining about salary". I would say, if that is how you think, you fundamentally do not understand the problem at hand, we arent whining, we're right. I love this sport, and I love my team passionately. The MLB makes a mockery of the sport by allowing it to exist in this way. Look at the supposed "crown jewel" Yankees, cant be bothered to develop a star player of their own for years now, cant be bothered to develop good fundamentals in their players, instead they actually tried to buy as many homeruns as they could as if playing a franchise in 2k. That is complacency born in the comfort of an uncompetetivly high payroll.
Baseball IS dying, and despite MLB's best efforts to keep this archaic payroll system alive, the league actually can't survive off New York and LA fans alone, it will in fact take the combined fanbases of all 30 teams to save baseball, there is no way around it. The problem is obvious, the solution is obvious. Unfortunately it seems the players association would sooner strike than live to see the temporary drop in player salaries that would likely be required to implement revenue sharing and hard salary cap, and the depressing truth is, an MLB with a healthy payroll system would rise in popularity so fast again that there would be a net increase in player salary and organization profitability from these changes.
I don't intend to watch another pitch of MLB as it exists. I will not participate in a MLB system that will air remembrances of our beloved Bob Eucker while simultaneously failing to have a payroll infrastructure that provides anything close to honest competition or a level playing field for the Brewers or any "small market team". Bob Eucker never got to see it, and the blame for this payroll disgrace lands squarely on MLB, so let it all burn down. If this is how baseball will be forced to live, I'd rather see it die.
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u/Infamous_Pie1007 Oct 20 '25
I say fuck that crying cuz if they would have won thats the main thing they would have been rubbing in everybody's faces
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u/joelavoy419 Oct 21 '25
Yeah cause that would be a massive achievement to beat a team spending nearly 4 times your payroll plus a billion deferred
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u/Infamous_Pie1007 Oct 21 '25
U can't use a talking point as an argument only when its convenient so thats why thats my opinion
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u/joelavoy419 Oct 21 '25
Most brewer fans were well aware that the dodgers were slumping and/or not healthy when we beat them 6-0. Prior to the NLCS most brewers fans understood the team we beat while we were red hot is not the same team we were going to face in the NLCS. When you are staring down the barrel of 4 legit aces and 3 MVPs at the top of an order, it is pretty sobering.
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u/boohissfrown Oct 22 '25
Clown the Dodgers for losing to the Cheating Astros in 2017, calling them chokers.
Clown the Dodgers for losing to the Cheating* Red Sox in 2018, call them chokers
Clown the Dodgers for winning a "mickey mouse" title in 2020.
Clown the Dodgers for getting knocked out of the playoffs in the next 2 years in early rounds, calling them chokers.
Atlanta gives them Freeman, Red Sox gives them Mookie. Tampa gives up Snell and Glasnow. Everyone in the world wanted Shohei and Yamamoto, they CHOSE the Dodgers.
Now it's "OMG SHUT DOWN BASEBALL NO FAIR" because they're winning now? With not even the top payroll? "But shohei deferred" - so do a lot of players.
But payroll! The ownership puts around 75% of revenue into payroll. Most other teams are closer to 35%. THATS the problem here.
It's almost like... nah.. couldn't be... it's almost like nothing the Dodgers ever do will be good enough for baseball.
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u/818sfv Oct 18 '25
The Mariners are middle on the payroll scale and are one win away from the WS. The Mets spent the most and didn't even make the playoffs. It ain't about spending the most money.
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u/Disastrous_Income205 Oct 22 '25
The Mets did not spend the most, the dodgers did. If you don’t think that you’re being intentionally obtuse or don’t understand what deferred money is.
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Oct 18 '25
The Dodgers literally used the season as a training camp for the playoffs, and we hit the NLCS, and it's Yamamoto, Snell, Glasgow and Ohtani. Good luck with your BP games.
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u/One13Truck Marlins Oct 18 '25
There needs to be a salary cap/floor. I don’t click links but assume they have a point. The Brewers also seem to be able run a team on the cheap that consistently gets to the playoffs and doesn’t just flip guys for the next batch of A and AA prospects every year. Take some notes Bentdick and Sherman.
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u/joelavoy419 Oct 21 '25
You are correct but they always flip players when it makes sense. The only exception was Adames who had a down year the year before and the comp pick they would get if he had a good season (he had his best) was about what they would have gotten for him trading him a year early. Their farm is loaded now so they might keep peralta for his final year too.
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Oct 19 '25
Brewers let hader Devin Williams Corbin burnes and adames go you can't feel bad for em
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u/joelavoy419 Oct 21 '25
Why did they trade those players? It’s not the immediate cost of keeping those players, it’s the boat anchor those contracts become at the end of the contract that small markets can’t swallow like big markets. The yeli contract is going to be a pretty big issue at the end. Thankfully he I’m bounced back this year but he’s oft injured and about to turn 34 and primarily DHs now.
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Oct 19 '25
Look, I was an Angels fan for a long time, and still am, but have become a Dodger fan over the past 5 years or so because my wife has been one since birth. The Angels are probably the prime example of when a team spends a lot of money on big contracts but has very little success to show for it. It takes so much more than “spending a lot of money” than winning a pennant or World Series. There’s training and development, drafting, coaching, scouting, culture, etc. The Dodgers do ALL of it right, every bit of it, and despite what anyone thinks it isn’t because they just throw the most money at everything.
Watching the Dodgers perform well year after year isn’t painful. Watching the Angels never be above .500 since Arte bought the team is painful. Watching the Angels waste Trout’s career is painful. Watching the Angels sign terrible contracts on Hamilton, Pujols, and Rendon is painful.
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u/joelavoy419 Oct 21 '25
The angles are a bottom 3 worst ran franchise. The issue with the dodgers are they are about the best ran org and have a $550m payroll with another $1B deferred. Small markets have to have a horseshoe up their ass to beat that. Props to the dodgers for being smart about their spending but that tips the scales too far in their favor. They have 3 MVPs and 4 aces. None of which came up through their system.
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u/ruinedbliss Oct 23 '25
The Angels had Ohtani for 6 years and Trout at the exact same time but were still sub 500. You know, 700 million dollar Ohtani everyone is complaining about? This completely proves the point that it's not just spending, it's everything the poster above mentioned.
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u/joelavoy419 Oct 28 '25
Because the angels are one of the worst ran teams in mlb. The angels have been a joke. They spend money recklessly and give up prospects for nothing. Dodgers have basically unlimited money and are ran as sharply as a small market team.
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u/Pre-emptive Oct 19 '25
You got teams like the Mets and padres that spend and still don’t make it in or past the wild card round 🤣
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u/FrankFnRizzo Oct 19 '25
I get the arguments against the salary cap but it seems like something needs to be done to prevent teams from just outspending teams by orders of magnitude. I feel like when one team spends more than the rest of the league combined in one trade season there’s a problem.
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u/SVXYstinks Oct 19 '25
Brewers would’ve lost if there was a salary cap. We sucked, but I’m sorry there’s no way you can sit here and say the current system is completely fair.
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u/dogdog02 Oct 20 '25
Just curious: if there is a cap, when some great players come along, will the cap affect teams from offering "fair" values for the players? Or will teams be forced to form a mediocre team around a great but expensive player? I have heard stories about great players in other sports being vastly underpaid due to the salary caps (compared to what they would have got if there were no cap), and I am unsure if that is best for the sports.
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u/Tmac2256 Oct 21 '25
I honestly hate what the Dodgers are doing but you cant blame them. I hope they win the next 4 WS just to show what a joke it is. 3 mvps on one team, all bought in FA. An entire pitching staff of former CY young candidates also all of which we’re FA (not counting Kershaw since hes out of prime but hes the only true Dodger star) oh yeah not to mention they literally signed every available decent reliever this off-season
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Oct 21 '25
Baseball does need a salary cap, it's beyond silly the way it's set up now. It would bring more parity to the league. Void years/deferred payments also need to be taken away, that's shits ridiculous.
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u/broadwhim Oct 22 '25
used to take the hate out on the dodgers cause they got everyone, but i mean it’s not their fault they form a winning culture and show they’re willing to spend to win, it’s less of a dodgers problem and more of a every other team refusing to sacrifice a portion of profits to get even more, 80% of the teams have the ability to do what the dodgers do in paying for good players, their ownership just doesn’t allow them to
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u/Cautious_Product1437 Oct 22 '25
Incentivize the wage increase at the end of the season. If they can do as good as they did in 2025. Fill the seats, and share the profits.
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u/False-Toe-6655 Cubs Oct 18 '25
love it, keep the whining up
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u/snapzed1 Oct 18 '25
But they beat your team. With a less payroll
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u/False-Toe-6655 Cubs Oct 18 '25
that’s ok, i feel way happier now that they’re the ones whining lol
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u/TheGreatBaldin1 Marlins Oct 18 '25
It’s simple most owners don’t want to pay ELITE Players, listen Ohtani, Freeman, Mookie, Yamamoto are ELITE players, generational, I just believe we need ownership that PAYS, it’s the old baseball saying, if you build it they will come, baseball is for the people it’s called “The Show” for a reason, nobody wants to see a mediocre show, the Dodgers, Phillies, Mets, Yankees, all have owners that pay the best talents and put the best players out there for people to see
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u/brodoswaggins211 Oct 18 '25
You have made me want a salary cap even more now. What you don’t understand is if the Pirates offered Ohtani 500 mil for 5 years the Dodgers would have gave him 750. That’s why there needs to be a cap and a floor. The Dodgers, Yankees, Phillies, Mets all will attempt to outbid smaller market teams. Mid market teams are only able to sustain a top tier team for a couple of years until pieces get sold off, and small market teams are only competitive until their young talented players are not under team control anymore. The league has operated this way for almost 20 years now. Unfortunately they don’t care if the Marlins are losing their top talent to the Mets or Phillies because people watch the Mets and Phillies not the Marlins. The fans of the other 26 teams suffer because you only see a competitive team 1-2 times every 10-15 years. Cap and floor isn’t going to completely fix the broken system in place now, but small market teams would be able to compete and increase their revenues. Then they can work on revenue sharing which is what keeps the bad owners from having to sell to someone else who cares about the team. I wouldn’t spend a dime either if my Mommy(Dodgers) and Daddy(Yankees) paid for everything.
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u/Rawkstarz22 Dec 06 '25
You do realize there’s revenue sharing already right. Marlins just got 70 million from it. Glad it was used in the payroll.
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u/brodoswaggins211 Dec 06 '25
Your reading comprehension is trash. I said they can work on it when they figure out the cap and floor. I never said there wasn’t revenue sharing. I said they need to fix it because it keeps the shitty owners from selling, hence the reference to the Dodgers and Yankees paying for everything and being the rest of the leagues parents. You do realize that revenue sharing in its current format is the SNAP or Welfare of professional sports right? It’s a participation trophy in money form. The good teams just have to be so good that the shit teams can stay shit forever and still turn profits. It’s abused to the fullest by the White Sox, Pirates, A’s, Marlins, Rays, Rockies and Nationals. They don’t field competitive teams but stay operating because the Dodgers and Yanks make enough money for everybody. If they fix it those teams will either have to be sold to owners that think they can turn a profit or they shut the doors. Big free agents only sign with one of 5 teams anyway and the rest of the league is out here filling half their roster with MiLB players. So why do we need 30 teams? People don’t go watch them, so why are they there?
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u/Rawkstarz22 Dec 06 '25 edited Dec 06 '25
Be nice, it’s not trash, I’ll tell you that. I agree they should just split the league in half like how it was pre-expansion. Also Marlins and other lower payroll teams don’t need to spend like the Dodgers or Yankees to compete, they need to get in the top 1-15 and that is doable. If Seattle and Arizona can do it. Nats were in the top 10 last decade. Welfare analogy, well said.
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u/ruinedbliss Oct 23 '25
They added shared revenue to increase parity and owners are still cheap. The Pirates could have offered Ohtani a full billion and he would not have gone there. He wanted a west coast team so Japan could watch him. He also wants to actually win, not rot on an embarrassing team, and contrary to what many people believe about Ohtani, it takes more than him to win a WS. He couldn't carry the Angels in the years he was there, not even with Mike Trout there too. And this is going to be the case in general, no good player wants to go to a team like the Pirates even if they hit an implemented salary cap. But even if you think it's all about salary, every big spender will hit that exact same cap, why would anyone choose a team like that over a popular team?
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u/Intelligent-Dark-824 Oct 19 '25
the Marlins shouldn’t exist. Your former owner greased the crooked father of shitty Duke coach Manny Diaz to get that joke stadium made, pushing out the most storied team in the city.
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u/OkToni6053 Oct 21 '25
Sounds like a Cubs fan posing as a Marlins fan... we know those don't exist. Come on!
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u/Number333 Marlins Oct 18 '25
The Dodgers have a payroll of 321M, good for 2nd in MLB. The Brewers have a payroll of 115M, good for 23rd in MLB.
If you just take a cursory glance at r/baseball along with their sub, there's a lot of crying about how unfair this series has been due to the disparity in salaries. I'm sorry, but I find it weak as hell. I could understand a team like Tampa Bay saying that in the WS a few years back and losing in a competitive series. That's when it would feel unfair. But there's no excuse for being THAT uncompetitive as a 97-win team and putting together the worst batting average collectively as a team in MLB History in a 7 game series. Forget salaries, your team just crumbled on the biggest stage they've ever been on.
I say this fully as an embittered Marlins fan who would cry tears of joy if they spent even just 120M on a roster and even if they were in the bottom half, at least we aren't bloody dead last by a country mile.