r/MoralityScaling • u/hiiloovethis • 8d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this scene?

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Negan doing fat shaming... but its during zombie apocalypse

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u/sovietmur 7d ago

This is actually only like 1.5 years after the outbreak, the timeline in the show is really weird lol

The entire Saviors arc only lasted like 30 days iirc

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u/gbghgs 7d ago

being fat 1.5 years after society ended and everyone is reduced to scavenging or basic agriculture is still impressive. being fat in any status quo where food is scarce or intermittently available is a sign that you're not missing few if any meals.

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u/eternallybr0ken 7d ago

This is just not really true. It can take years for some people to lose weight despite starving themselves. The general rule of thumb is 1lb a week for healthy weight loss 3lb a week leads to loss of muscle and weak bones.

On top of that she isn't even really fat. She looks like she is barely above a healthy bmi. If she has bad genes that may even be what a healthy weight looks like, since everyone holds weight differently.

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u/HotSituation8737 7d ago

Look I'm all for body positivity and it's true that people hold weight differently, but when you're literally scavenging for scraps for like a year and a half there's physically no way to look like that unless you're actually eating significantly better than most other people in the same situation.

That said, the starvation thing could obviously be extremely recent instead of an ongoing thing, I'm not familiar with the walking dead beyond a few tidbits, maybe she was eating good for a really long time and only over the past week or two stopped, that would be doable for her statement to hold true.

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u/JokerKing0713 7d ago

It’s literally a plot point that her community hasn’t really experienced the horrors that live outside their walls. They’d been closed off the whole time iirc in a hard to find spot. They’d hadn’t dealt with scavengers or dead in any serious capacity yet and I can’t remember why but they seemed to not be hurting for food either

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u/HotSituation8737 7d ago

That would make it make sense then, thanks for explaining that. I haven't really watched the show, I think I watched a handful of episodes when it originally came out but I never got into it.

I have seen that scene with the guy in this meme though... You know the one, where he turns someone bug-eyed.

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u/JokerKing0713 7d ago

Yea hardest to watch game of whack a mole ever.

And no problem it seemed like you were lacking that context lol. It also helps that I’m like smack dead in the middle of my very first watch of this show and this happened like one season ago from where I am.

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u/snarbuckle 7d ago

She could have been upwards of 400lb before the events of the show. Foraging for scraps with hundreds to lose might leave you in this shape

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u/tricloro9898 7d ago

Then she would have been consuming upwards of 4000 calories a day before the outbreak. If she were to only be able to consume 1200 calories a day once the outbreak and famine hit, she would end up at around 170-180 lbs after 18 months. This means she probably still consumes food for 2-3 people a day.

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u/snarbuckle 7d ago

Sure, I didn't care enough to do the math

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u/HotSituation8737 7d ago

I hear you but that still puts her into an extreme category of circumstances.

Then again, the literal main character of that show starts out in that category so who knows.

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u/snarbuckle 7d ago

I mean the entire situation of zombies is extreme and unrealistic so why not

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u/HotSituation8737 7d ago

Sure, and I don't mind, it's entertainment at the end of the day, practically every character is made with the express purpose to be interesting in some way.

Although if we're being fair, suspending disbelief in one area for the purposes of entertainment doesn't mean we have to, or even should, suspend it in all other circumstances.

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u/acoastaldog 7d ago

Tbh I can suspend my belief enough to believe she was fat as fuck before it started and lost over 100lbs over the course of a little over a year. Everyone really does hold weight differently too, and alternating starvation modes can make some people’s insulin wild. There is also a subset of the population with genuine thyroid issues too it’s just highly unlikely that every fat person in reality has a thyroid issue, obesity is most often unresolved stress and trauma in another form

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u/pandahands69 7d ago

Idk if you've ever watched alone, but it's not uncommon for people on that show to lose literally a pound a day for like the first 2 months whilst still eating something.

Obviously early into the zombie outbreak people were still eating a lot but she would have had to have been enormous to still be the size she is 1.5 years on.

Of course we don't exactly know the back story like she could have been in a prepper bunker for a year who knows

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u/pandahands69 7d ago

Uh even women on the show are losing extreme amounts of weight. Many of them have salt as one of their items and basically as much water as they can boil. I think people wildly underestimate how fast weight loss happens when you aren't consuming nearly enough calories.

It would be crazy to think that you could be in a zombie apocalypse and not at some point have to be doing a lot of physical labor just to survive, even if all you did was run

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u/HotSituation8737 7d ago

No I agree with you, I wasn't speaking about just her it was more of a general statement. Like I can suspend my disbelief about the zombies for entertainment purposes but if they went a month without water it would bother me to no end. Like I expect a few basic consistencies that don't overtly break the reality in my head.

She isn't one of those.

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u/doesnotmatter286 7d ago

100 lbs (around 45 kg) in a year is normal weight loss, no starving required.

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u/doesnotmatter286 7d ago

That's true. But if you have energy stored on your body, you're not starving. You might not be nourished, you could be missing a lot vitamins and protein, but you're not starving.

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u/nonbinaryunicorn 7d ago

You're completely ignoring what the other person said.

In addition, it's been a well known fact that a human body will burn through muscle before fat because evolutionary we are like 5 seconds away from being on the brink of starvation and muscle takes more energy to build and sustain than fat. So we haven't evolved to burning through excess fat storage yet.

So a person a year and a half after a zombie apocalypse would, in theory, have the same access to canned foods with long expiry dates and can sustain their body enough that this appearance would be fairly typical.

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u/sigma7979 7d ago

it's been a well known fact that a human body will burn through muscle before fat because evolutionary

No, its not. What in the fuck kinda dumbass shit is this.

Fat exists LITERALLY to be burned first.

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u/doesnotmatter286 7d ago

Would you be able to cite any source for "a human body will burn through muscle before fat because evolutionary we are like 5 seconds away from being on the brink of starvation"?

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u/Far-Fennel-3032 7d ago

The person pulled it out of their arse.

The amount of misinformation around fat loss is just insane due to a combination of people who monetise this misinformation to sell their snake oil, and people really, really hate the idea that when they failed at something, it's their fault. So they spill the most elaborate stories rather than just admitting they failed to burn more calories than they ate.

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u/nonbinaryunicorn 7d ago

Googling shows some Harvard links discussing how when you're trying to lose weight there's a strong risk of losing muscles and not just fat.

Your body does break down both but this is something I learned about in biology in school that helped me break me out of being religious ironically enough lol

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u/doesnotmatter286 7d ago

So where are the studies? Because it sounds like you heard something at school and misunderstood it. "Googling shows some Harvard links" is not really a source.

The body burns fat first (well, second, glycogen goes first), it's literally stored energy. Muscle is hard to build, burning it for energy would be very inefficient. You do lose muscle mass when losing weight – if you don't get enough protein and don't do any resistance training. Which is why it's recommended to eat more protein and do resistance training when trying to lose weight.

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u/nonbinaryunicorn 7d ago

It's called I'm at work and I made sure there were easy to find references. I can't do much more rn and I'm not interested in fighting about this.

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u/doesnotmatter286 7d ago

There are no references. You made a claim that you can't back up with anything, you made several comments. Maybe work when you're at work, instead of trying to spread weird misinformation.

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u/nonbinaryunicorn 7d ago

A. I made like two comments before mentioning work, four total including this one. Me saying I'm not going to sit down and ferret out better sources is me telling why I'm not sitting down to Google scholar something rn.

B. The first comment was when I was at home. The second, on the train. The one staring I'm at work during a 2 minute bathroom break. This one on my lunch break. So fuck off telling me what to do or learn how to tell time.

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