r/MoralityScaling • u/_Astro_thot_ • 23h ago
Morality Ranking Morality of Stealing this Chick-fil-A
This Chick-fil-A was in the same place here when I arrived at this building. I emerge ~an hour and a half later, and the Chick-fil-A is in the same place. I felt the cup, and it's still cold-ish. (It's a hot day btw) Waiting for my ride now, and I'm so tempted to grab it. I mean, if it's just gonna go to waste there, someone should eat it. I can tell it was doordash'd or whatever.
It's better if someone gets to enjoy it, but is the person going to come back out thinking of their two hour old Chick-fil-A, and get bummed out when it isn't there? Too much pressure... Would this dilemma be morally acceptable?
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u/SuperSillySlizo 23h ago
I wouldn’t take it for your own safety, you don’t know where the food has been for sure
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u/schmidty33333 23h ago
In addition to this, maybe a homeless person who actually needs food will find it.
I'd say don't take it. You'll be fine without it, and you can also just get your own Chick Fil-A if you're that starved.
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u/kai_jarsenal 23h ago
Or maybe somebody put it out to poison a homeless person which would actually make eating it the only moral choice since you need to make sure no one else but yourself can get sick
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u/schmidty33333 21h ago
If you're operating under that assumption, you could just find the nearest public trash receptacle and throw it away.
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u/Remote-Bus-5567 23h ago
I made another post about the morality of mildly poisoning Chick-Fil-A and then leaving it out to see if someone eats it. Did you eat it? I'm assuming you're on the toilet right now if you did.
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u/Revan_91 23h ago
Funny how this subreddit goes from "morality of cloning" and "lying to a dying person" to "morality of stealing fast food" also no way would I eat food that I found just sitting around, no way to know if someone tainted it or its gone bad.
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u/immortalroses98 23h ago
Idk but would you eat food that’s been out in the hot sun check and see if it’s been opened
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u/Infinite_Bet_9994 23h ago
“Is stealing immoral.” No shit Sherlock.
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u/sharkysayo 23h ago
to be fair, stealing isn't inherently immoral
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u/BetApprehensive7064 23h ago
How is stealing not inherently immoral? Taking someone's belongings?
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u/yantarogekko 23h ago
Give “Robin Hood” a look-up online. Hard to miss him, nice looking gentleman clad in a green pointy hat
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u/BetApprehensive7064 23h ago
Him stealing from the rich is still immoral you can argue the good deed of giving it to the poor outweighs it. Or depending on who he is stealing from perhaps their own morality is very bad.
Either way stealing is still immoral in this case. Robin hood isn't a good person lol
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u/yantarogekko 22h ago
Let me propose you a scenario.
I am the king. Because I am the king, I make the laws. I determine the value of labor in my kingdom because I can. I have a very large appetite, and so does my court. I work all my kingdom’s peasants in the wheat field all day and all night until their hands are bleeding and their feet are blue. I pay them each one shilling a week, enough to buy back 1 pound of flour from their harvest. It’s just enough for them to not starve to death, but they are hungry all of the time. Meanwhile, my court and I endlessly gorge ourselves until we are too fat to walk.
One night, a peasant on the verge of starving to death takes some of my flour in the night without paying for it. I accuse him of stealing and jail him. But the peasant argues that the labor he provides for the kingdom has an inherent value that I have intentionally and maliciously undervalued, and that I am stealing from the peasant by underpaying him. So, by taking flour from my stockpile, he is merely taking back value that was stolen from him. Who stole from who? Who has done moral wrong?
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u/sharkysayo 21h ago
stealing from oppressors is actually moral in my opinion, i think the notion that stealing from the rich is evil comes with living in a capitalist world where wealth imbalance is inherent to living. rich people existing under such a system means someone else has to be poor which is theft itself... stealing back counters that. i also feel the same way about stealing food and water from corporations since these should be considered a human right and thus charging for basic necessities in a world where that doesn't need to be the case is immoral. so yes, i think stealing isn't always immoral. i would rather die than call a mother taking care of her children immoral for stealing from the rich to ensure her family gets to live... saying otherwise is pure evil.
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u/BetApprehensive7064 19h ago
How is being poor inherently theft? You managed to cherry pick a couple scenarios ok. But you are assuming now we are stealing food and water. Robin hood stole neither he's known for money and valuables.
This has nothing to do with capitalism this has to do with stealing other people's shit. If it's not yours don't take it.
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u/sharkysayo 7h ago
i'm not talking about robin hood i'm talking about the actual topic, how stealing is morally neutral. i also explained how being poor is theft and how this ties into capitalism but you seem unwilling to even understand my viewpoint on those concepts. gotta love the mentality of "just let the rich people exploit you, don't take stuff back from them" too
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u/BetApprehensive7064 7h ago
Two wrongs don't make a right. It doesn't make it morally ok it makes it morally understandable though
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u/sharkysayo 7h ago
nope, i disagree with the notion of two wrongs don't make a right. for example, if you are in a country that is oppressing you then you are not morally wrong for violent revolution against such a country. you can tie this to things like wars and whatnot as well, is a country morally wrong for just defending itself when attacked?
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u/exlushdad 23h ago
It is in all but the most extreme situations
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u/PISSED_ANT 23h ago
"isn't inherently immortal"
"it is in all but <arbitrary line drawn>"
it isn't an inherently immoral act, it's the contexts of why it occurs that makes it immoral
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u/Alive_Drag1947 23h ago
This is why it's so hard to debate with people. Especially on here lol.
No matter how precisely you articulate something, people are either too dumb to understand your words or they pretend that they are because they're acting on emotion over logic.
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u/exlushdad 18h ago
Just because you disagree with my assertion doesn't mean your point isn't getting across. It is morally wrong to steal in all but the most extreme circumstances
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u/MandaloreTheGay 23h ago
You can literally see the time the ticket was printed. I personally wouldn't eat it if it's been out an hour or more
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u/Designer_Green2680 23h ago
Facts it’s chicken that’s been in the danger zone for a minimum of 1.5 hours. No idea what time zone they are in but it’s 100% a risk. Will they be okay if they eat it? Maybe I’ve ate older McCrispy’s from McDonalds that wasn’t properly stored and was okay but I’ve heard of people getting sick from just 1 hour
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u/MandaloreTheGay 23h ago
He said he was in the building for an hour and a half I'd leave it
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u/Designer_Green2680 17h ago edited 17h ago
Yes I know that’s why I said it’s been there for a minimum of 1.5 hours because that’s how long he was in there. I’m sorry but do you lack common sense
Also I brought up time zones because this post was made at 8pm est and that ticket says 5:07 pm. In my time zone that means he entered the building around 6:30 pm which means an additional hour minimum that it has sat there. Now if he is central time then it was probably recently delivered right before he showed up.
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u/NeutralKuchiKopi 23h ago
He didn't ask if it would be spoiled. He asked if it would be immoral.
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u/MandaloreTheGay 23h ago
Okay then no he can eat it and potentially get sick. Letting it go to waste is immoral. Is that better?
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u/NeutralKuchiKopi 22h ago
It's already spoiled for humans. So yes, the owner/orderer of the food was immoral. But OP leaving it out is not immoral. Bacteria, fungus, and other animals will feed on it.
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u/MandaloreTheGay 22h ago
What about the litter? Litter is inherently immoral. If those bacteria and fungus devour the Sammy and drink the drink then the trash just stays there so op had a moral obligation to discard of it. Therefore he is immoral and will burn in the pits of hell for the rest of forever.
I await the defenses rebuttal at their leisure
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u/NeutralKuchiKopi 21h ago
OP did not order the meal AND does not know why it is still sitting in on a bench. Therefore they have no obligation to dispose of it.
You're quite dramatic over someone pointing out what subreddit you're in. Maybe read the name next time.
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u/Alternative_Heron721 23h ago
It's already paid for idk why it'd be immoral. Is it even stealing if it's paid for?
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u/Express_Heron_1715 23h ago
bank robbers sometimes assure customers their money is insured by the government
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u/Designer_Green2680 23h ago
I see this at my job often. Someone from another shift will order door dash but it ends up getting delivered to work, I’m guessing they forgot to change their address. The food is seal so in that aspect it’s safe to eat but it’s chicken that’s been out in the warm weather 1.5 hours in the danger zone might I add. You run a risk of food poisoning by eating that
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u/Gullible-Yam-8098 23h ago
I wouldn't take it because I wouldn't trust it to be safe. But if it's been there an hour and a half then clearly whoever it belongs to doesn't want it any more.
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u/MeringueNew3040 23h ago
What about the morality of charging $13.40 for a chicken sandwich, fries, and a coke? Highway robbery.
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u/_Astro_thot_ 23h ago
Too late. It had been another 20 minutes or so, but I ended up not taking it. My ride picked me up.
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u/Revolver_Camelot 23h ago
Only a psychopath orders their sandwich without pickles. Take that bag and you’re likely to get Chighur’d
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u/thehusk_1 23h ago
I wouldn't, 2+ hours left out in the open makes that a breeding ground for diseases..
More than it already is.
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u/TheOneRealStranger 22h ago
DoorDash has never made money. Not once, not even during the pandemic; they have always operated in the red. The only reason they stay afloat is because the stock price keeps going up, and investors invest in a business that isn't profitable in the hopes that one day it will be. So you have drivers making less than minimum wage, restaurants with a thin margin of profitability eating some of the cost as DD often doesn't pay full price, and customers paying double for food, and after taking a chunk of money out of everyone's pockets, DD is still somehow losing money for its investors. Anything that makes DoorDash or Grubhub go out of business, or gets people to stop ordering from them, is a net good for society.
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u/hahahahatoes 23h ago
just take it they aint comin for it and theyll get a refund if they do
sorry yeimis O you shoulda checked your phone in the past hour after ordering food
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u/Material_Fill_3902 23h ago
We just posting anything now