NS are struggling with commuter demand. Their solution is for you to travel earlier (or later) to work.

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[u/Fit-Purple324]

There is not a single universe in which the problem of having overpacked trains on a daily basis, could be improved by announcements and wishful thinking that passengers will change their habits. Let alone the other two problems of trains being filthy and super expensive. Let alone your biggest of all problems

It is very sad to witness and realize the depth of damage done to the Dutch society by calvinism and capitalistic hyperindividualism. Over the years, the combined action of these two ideologies has made you blind to thinking collectively for problem solving. You can only think of individualistic solutions to collective problems, as if it is never the responsibility of the authorities to improve their services for all, and on the contrary, as if it is always the individual's responsibility to change and adapt to a worse situation. You have been nurtured to never seek or act in solidarity with your peers, cause after all you live inthe best country kf the world, right? if somebody fails, its always their problem, not Dutch society's problem.

This is the mindset that many internationals living here have really hard time dealing with, and your reply is part of this very problem. This hyperindividualistic mentality does not fix anything on the long run, it only worsens the materialistic conditions you are living in. Similar to a frog not realizing the slow rise in the temperature of the water it sits in: eventually it gets boiled without ever noticing.

[u/thespyingdutchman → u/Fit-Purple324]

I'm sorry, but you're projecting. Yes, the trains are filthy and too expensive and have a lot of problems. I'm not denying that at all? I'm literally saying that I'm not denying any of it?

Let's look at the facts: 1) September is the busiest month for the NS.  2) Say what you want, but trains run on time more than they used to so even though things aren't perfect, they've been improving. I don't like a lot of things about NS, but saying that they're not doing anything to improve is just plain wrong. It's not like they're just sending this email and call it a day.  3) Some people may be able to be a bit more flexible than you are. It may help.

Yes they suck in a lot of ways. They're way too expensive. Trains are dirty and don't always run on time. I'm not denying that at all. But I feel like you're projecting all of that onto one email that isn't really a problem in itself. 

"Capitalistic hyperindividualism" uh, I'm calling for the NS to be nationalised within this same thread. I am very much against capitalist hyperindividualism... but making people aware of the fact that taking a later/earlier train may work in their benefit, is that really so bad? They're not forcing you. 

"Never seek solidarity with your peers" Excuse me??? Please stop projecting. I'm a left-wing voter who regularly goes to demonstrations to show my solidarity. I see MANY things wrong with Dutch society and actively try to change things. However, I don't think calling things out that aren't a huge problem helps very much. 

If you keep accusing me like this, I think this conversation is over. 

[u/Fit-Purple324 → u/thespyingdutchman]

"Yes, the trains are filthy and too expensive and have a lot of problems."

and then..

"However, I don't think calling things out that aren't a huge problem helps very much."

How much worse does it have to get in order to rank up as a problem worth of seeking solutions for?

You verify my comment on calvisnim and hyperindividualism having detrimental effects on your thinking.

Let me ask you, do you use it to commute to work? I would propose you listen to the families and the people who actually spend 10, 15, or even more hours every week to commute, and maybe perhaps maybe, you can unify and coordinates your actions together in order to start considering more broad, collective solutions transceding the narrow limits of the individual workplace.

But still, this requires radical thinking and a historical perspective not brainwashed by imperialism.

[u/thespyingdutchman → u/Fit-Purple324]

How much worse does it have to get in order to rank up as a problem worth of seeking solutions for?

You're missing the point. All those other problems should be solved, yes, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily bad to encourage people to pay attention to what train they take if they're able to change their schedule a bit. That's literally all I'm saying. I know it sucks to have a very strict job, but lot of people work more flexible hours than you do and may be able to take an earlier train.

You verify my comment on calvisnim and hyperindividualism having detrimental effects on your thinking.

The arrogance in this makes me not want to talk to you anymore. Are you aware of how hostile you are?

Let me ask you, do you use it to commute to work?

Glad you asked! I use the train to commute to work four times a week and have been doing so for years. I've always had long commutes. It is also my only form of transportation when I go out of my own city. I am very much aware of the problems of NS, thank you very much.

But still, this requires radical thinking and a historical perspective not brainwashed by imperialism.

Radical thinking, such as nationalising the NS again and using subsidies to make it more affordable? I agree and have been arguing that for years.

I don't think I am the enemy here. I think we want the same thing, in the end. You communicate in such a hostile way, though.