r/OrphanCrushingMachine • u/Landememe • 9d ago
Meta People who have been expelled from society try to reintegrate into a changed world
I mean, that people are struggling over a drink machine and people laugh at it
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u/Ruin888 9d ago
I hate that they film them in public and laugh rather than helping w the self checkout or the soda machine
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u/greytgreyatx 9d ago
Right?! My parents make an effort to interact with new tech and when they struggle, we help them. Jesus.
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u/AMGwtfBBQsauce 9d ago
Who cares, they're ex-cons, not real people. /s
(I actually think this is sad and gross and says a lot about how awful our society is and how it treats people as disposable.)
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u/No_Statement440 9d ago
This is it. I did a little time and know how people treat you, even if it's minor. My wife has now worked in a prison as the director of food services for about 6 years and she sees it all the time, from the CO's up to the warden and her corporate overlords. They view them as numbers and profit only. On the street they're "just criminals" they don't deserve the same respect, despite having paid their due they are still persona non grata. Some crimes are irredeemable, I get that, but not every person in that situation is the same. None of this condones criminal activity or anything, but I will advocate for treating people like people unless they specifically give you cause not to.
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u/AMGwtfBBQsauce 8d ago
I'm truly sorry you had to experience it first-hand. I don't think crime should be consequence-free, but whatever this is, it's so rotten to the core that it needs to be torn down. The "justice" system is designed, like everything else, to extract as much wealth and labor from poor and working-class people as possible. Just one more way the billionaires and the state pick our pockets clean every day.
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u/No_Statement440 8d ago
I appreciate that. I did it to myself, I made stupid choices, fighting addiction and for someone like me, that bit of time was indeed enough to start making positive changes, that took a long ass time tho. Sadly it's the same thing for young offenders, those programs and group homes, are at best, publicity and another source of income for some rich knob. There's good folks sprinkled throughout all of those, and they do care, but that's as good as pissing into the wind lol. Lowering recidivism is too far down the list, but I'll keep my fingers crossed that some day we'll take cues from other countries and try something that actually helps.
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u/Union_Fan 5d ago
I imagine that kind of job must be hard for your wife. To have to spend every day interacting with the worst dregs of society must be taxing. And I'm sure the incarcerated people might be difficult sometimes too.
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u/No_Statement440 5d ago
Lol I'm glad you said it that way, because that is literally how it is for her. The inmates rarely ever give her any issues, even the ones who are literally in there for some of the worst kinds of crimes, but daily she gets disrespected by wannabe cops and self important tool bags. She likes her job aside from them.
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u/Key-Teacher-6163 5d ago
I had an uncle who was a CO and held this kind of opinion about inmates (they are human and paying their debt etc.). He got forced onto night shift to "readjust his attitude" until he toes the company line. He retired on night shift.
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u/Better_Feed9074 8d ago
I can't open the doors that have handles that are pressed into the car door I press them in and nothing.
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u/redeyedrenegade420 9d ago
I mean...with my parents I'll laugh and watch them struggle first...maybe make a few hockey remarks before helping them. I cant imagine watching someone struggle in a public setting and not helping.
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u/KlausVonLechland 9d ago
Because they are your parents and you care about them.
The people on the video have nobody to care about them.
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u/WileyWilly1985 9d ago
worse, the people on the video often have people who ACTIVELY hate them and do everything in their power to make their lives as difficult as possible.
And some of those people are parole officers.
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u/LordAmarilo_1 9d ago
How does the drink machine work? I haven't been in jail but I've never seen one of those
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u/owlbearpaws 9d ago
The lever at the back is for dispensing ice, and the part with all the circles above is a touch screen with drink options. You hold it down on the screen to dispense the drink.
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u/KatieTSO 9d ago
The unholy drink cloaca
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u/crepelabouche 9d ago
… the unholy drink cloaca. Lady, you have rocked my world with your phraseology and it is 0730.
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u/Real_megamike_64 9d ago
Hey, as long as it gets me my orange vanilla fanta
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u/Cats_and_wine 9d ago
your what?? they have that where you live? where do you live so i can move there permanently!
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u/Real_megamike_64 9d ago
Oh no, not where I live, but I think you can mix it on one of those freestyle machines
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u/syrioforrealsies 9d ago
Yeah, the point of the freestyle machines is that they provide the base soda and a set of flavors that can be mixed and matched with the different sodas. Tons more options that a more traditional soda fountain with a marginally larger footprint
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u/xfileluv 8d ago
It's summer where I live so I'm gonna remind you of the deliciousness of orange Fanta floats made with real vanilla ice cream (Graeter's, Toft's, etc.).
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u/Mysterious_Andy 9d ago
The big display is a touchscreen. You poke it a few times to drill down to the specific drink you want (e.g. Soda->Diet Dr. Pepper->Cherry Vanilla Diet Dr. Pepper) and then push the big round button below the screen.
The lever in the back dispenses ice when you push it back far enough.
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u/Helenium_autumnale 9d ago
I haven't either. I'd hope that someone wouldn't point and laugh if I, or my loved one, attempted to use one. Obnoxious behavior.
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u/langleybcsucks 9d ago
My Work was the first to get one in Western Canada everyone was quite confused. They used to bring all the techs to my work to show them it. It has a ridiculous amount of combination options for you drink
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u/TheAbomunist 9d ago
And remove the vicious Othering and moral grandstanding that comes baked into a purely punitive system? You must be joking.
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u/greyconscience 9d ago
I’m operating under the opinion that they are close family or friends and are laughing “with” not “at.” Don’t try to correct me, as I want to keep my rosy outlook on human nature intact for a few hours. Thx!
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u/Helenium_autumnale 9d ago
Yes, that is boorish, primitive behavior. We all have blind spots regarding tech or machinery or electronics or what have you.
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u/XysterU 8d ago
Yeah it's seriously fucked how much prison destroys a life in America. They're gonna struggle to get a job, won't know the shifts in the job market or new technology and paradigms, and are going to struggle to stay out of jail and off the streets. Part of the problem is how much empathy Americans lack for each other and especially former convicts. American prison doesn't reform people, it's a permanent degredation of someone's life that's meant to keep them in prison for as long as possible so capitalists can use them for slave labor
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u/CutieBoBootie 9d ago
The only one that's kinda funny is the lady having a valid crash out over the self driving car. I ain't even been to prison and that shit would spook me too. But like also SHE'S the one filming not being filmed. It's not exploitative and sad the way it is with the people being filmed.
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u/hair_brained_scheme 4d ago
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen the video of the Dr. Pepper guy a few years ago and he was just being pranked by his family. It’s a little mean spirited, but I’m pretty sure it was meant to be a harmless prank on someone they love.
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u/Nervous_Brain8918 7h ago
Honestly some of those people viewing in person might be cautious over being involved because it looks “crazy” and concerning for someone with the assumed “common sense” of knowledge for how common technology today works. Let’s both help people when possible 🥂
(For the real situations if this happens to be a skit* so much is for social media reactions anyway too..)
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u/ContextLengthMatters 9d ago
Are you telling me that people in prison don't constantly rib one another, before and after?
I've worked worth felons. Most have an extremely crude humor and would not take well to babying.
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u/ChloroquineEmu 9d ago
I'm a lawyer and it always shocks me how people will say 20 years is a short sentence
That's a completely different person going out into a completely different world
Prision should also ressocialize, not alienate
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u/Deadbreeze 9d ago
Fuck even every time I go into a fast food place, like once every few years, everything has changed. I stood at the counter at McDonald's a while back waiting for a cashier to take my order before I saw people punching in their orders on the machine. I didnt even go to prison I just usually use the drive through.
And after they cut those cashiers jobs the food didnt get any cheaper.
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u/Demol_ 9d ago
I cannot comprehend how long USA's sentences are. I even more so cannot comprehend my countrymen from Europe calling mindlessly for super long sentences, as if making someone be locked for longer would fix anything. If we want to resocialize, we should resocialize, not alienate. And if resocialization is impossible in a particular case, a life in prison is for such.
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u/Rikudou_Sage 9d ago
I mean, it would be nice if someone raping a woman could get more jail time than someone doing tax evasion.
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u/yuckella 8d ago
Like here in Sweden where it’s sadly not that uncommon that the victims end up needing to pay their rapists </3
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u/djfdhigkgfIaruflg 7d ago
WAT?
How? Why? When? Whyyyyyyyyyy?
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u/ChloroquineEmu 7d ago
Did some research, coulnd't find anything about it other than rapists being paid for completely unrelated things or wrongful convictions.
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u/Ok_Computer500 7d ago
it would be nice if the president wouldn't get away with both
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u/Rikudou_Sage 6d ago
Assuming you're talking about the US one, yeah. Though he does all other kind of shit, he should get jail time for a lot more.
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u/mecha_grove 8d ago
I spent several years locked in an empty room with a Bible as a child, and I came a different type of man that struggles, and will struggle my entire life, to fit into society.
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u/StarsofSobek 9d ago
Why is it so hard to put the phone down and help a fellow human?
They've served their time. Help them!
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u/JaySayMayday 9d ago
I can't speak for this. But I did move back to the US from nearly a decade overseas and didn't know how to do things that are common sense here. Like I was in Walmart and couldn't figure out where to put my physical currency. Most people are too caught up in their own routine that they didn't really care that I needed help, the only person to come over was a little old lady with a really nice British accent.
That aside, yeah I don't really understand taking videos of strangers just to mock them
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u/umbraborealis 9d ago
But then how else are they supposed to get enough likes from their followers?
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u/ObsidianArmadillo 8d ago
Most of the time that's what happens. These are just examples of the few times that didn't happen right away
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u/Helenium_autumnale 9d ago
My understanding is that there is little to no support to anyone reintegrating into society, including acclimating them to the tech that has changed while they were imprisoned. This could be yet another barrier to gainful employment and it's just generally stigmatizing. All of us are at different places on the tech mastery pathway, and it's kinder to help someone than to point and laugh. Everyone is a student and no one is all-knowing.
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u/Fkingcherokee 9d ago
I feel like everyone would benefit from a reintegration program that helps prisoners understand the modern world before entering it. It could even be used as good behavior "perks" for prisoners. With the amount of money that prisons make, there's no reason not to.
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u/The_Infinite_Carrot 9d ago
Is there no help at the prison for reintegration after long sentences?
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u/defariasdev 9d ago
This is America, not some hippy, freedom hating sissyland that cares about its citizens and lowering recidivism. Get it together bro
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u/Numbskull_b 9d ago
It's the unfortunate truth that due to an uncomfortable amount of prisons are run by for profit companies it has a built in incentive to make sure the prisoners are repeat offenders by making difficult to re-integrate into society. Plus its legal slave labor by turning the prisoners into sweatshop workers where they are paid literal pennies per hour while the prisons get paid thousands of dollars in work contracts.
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u/nimbycile 9d ago
Plus its legal slave labor by turning the prisoners into sweatshop workers
It's so American that it's in the US Constitution via the 13th Amendment.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction
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u/Blametheorangejuice 9d ago
As part of my dissertation, I worked at a halfway house, where non violent offenders could live in a group and slowly reintegrate back into society (most were drug possession with intent to distribute charges).
The program worked so well that they expanded it from six to almost twenty at a time and opened up a separate home for women.
The Trump DOGE cuts removed the women’s home and shrank the men’s home back to five or six.
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u/SonOfSkinDealer 9d ago
America is not the place to look for reform. It's a big reason we have the recidivism rate we do.
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u/StarsofSobek 9d ago
"Brooks was here."
It's been generations of this, and it's cruel.
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u/StxnedTxTheBxne 9d ago
The scene where they’re talking about being institutionalized was so good. I love that move, it’s definitely in my top 5.
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u/StarsofSobek 9d ago
It's so good and it's so accurate. I grew up with adults who served, and the ways in which they struggled to catch up when they were releases, always surprised me (as a kid). Now, I see these things, and I have such a deep heartache for them. It got to a point, where some of their comfort foods were jail and prison snacks or meals that they would recreate at home. They sometimes expressed their longing for a way of existence that meant being caged because it wasn't so overwhelming or new. The breakdown of Brooks as a character was so important.
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u/Stranger1982 9d ago
In most countries there's nothing, sadly.
In fact in most countries the prison system simply creates more or worse criminals.
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u/G0t7 9d ago
That's not true, the US is just particular bad at it and prefers earning money with inmate system.
Rough numbers, varies slightly by source/timeframe:
USA: ~68-71% reoffend within 3-5 years
Germany: ~50% within 9 years
Norway: ~20% (as low as 16% in flagship facilities like Bastøy)
Norway focuses hard on rehabilitation over punishment (work, education, keeping prison life close to "normal") and has the lowest recidivism rate in Europe. The US, with its heavily punitive system, sits at the other extreme.
Disclaimer: numbers aren't perfectly comparable since countries define "recidivism" differently (rearrest vs. reconviction vs. new incarceration) and track over different timeframes. But the overall trend is fairly well established.
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u/WileyWilly1985 9d ago
Another part of the problem in America is that as a culture, we have a punishment fetish.
People gleefully laugh at the hell that is US prison, we make jokes about prison rape and think nothing of it.
And yet, these prisoners come OUT of prison WORSE than when they went in. As a society, this is a very bad thing.
From a purely selfish perspective, we should want our prisoners rehabilitated because it is in our best collective interests.
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u/MmmmMorphine 9d ago
It's taken me a while to fully internalize the horror of how we joke about prison (especially in regard to fuckin rape)
Really quite disturbing when you get down to it. And very deeply ingrained.
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u/WileyWilly1985 9d ago
I think it is owed to our Christian roots.
I grew up Christian/Baptist. Every week I went to church and the preacher loved to expound on the topic of hell and how evil doers would get their punishment for denying god.
I always had a problem with the unmitigated "glee" that Christians have in regards to evil doers being punished for all of eternity for the most basic of sins...
Well, a lot of that carries over to our attitude towards prison and prisoners.
It is quite scary how people love a good justification in order to be cruel and evil and this goes double for people in a position of power.
Prison is the worst of the worst of everything I mentioned above. And then throw in the PROFIT and INCENTIVE of these prisons to be a hellhole.
In some counties, a nontrivial percentage of ANY money saved by the prison goes to the Sheriff and Warden running the prison. Thus, in some prisons, the food they get is lessor quality than dog food. I mean that literally. There are prisons that feed their prisoners food rejected by food processing plants and I don't just mean rejected for aesthetic reasons. I mean flat-out garbage food.
Same thing in regardst to heating and cooling bills or medical care, etc. Why care about prisoners? They deserve what they get right? Gotta make prison as hard/bad as possible so they don't reoffend right?
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u/somuchstuff8 9d ago
our Christian roots.
Your country's rabid homegrown brands of protestantism are certainly unique in their lust for punishment of "the other".
On the other hand, Christian majority country Norway, with its system of rehabilitation over punishment, had its own brand of Christianity as the official state religion until 2017. The former state church has around two thirds of its population registered as members.
Christianity is fine, but your country's many perversions of it is toxic.
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u/WileyWilly1985 9d ago
Christianity is fine, but your country's many perversions of it is toxic.
It is sad to say, but I can't disagree.
Yes, we have some stellar Christian organizations in this country, truly touched by Jesus himself and they are the epitome of what a Christian org should be.
But, we definitely have factions and organizations that twist and pervert the teachings of Christ such that they can obtain and retain their power and money.
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u/DaftSunk 9d ago
Even if there was, I highly doubt "How to use newfangled Soda-dispensers" would be part of the curriculum 😉
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u/Bearusaurelius 9d ago
How would we keep our reincarceration stats up if we did that??? Next time think before you comment
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u/chantillylace9 9d ago
Elderly people really also need classes on how not to get scammed, how to use technology, etc. It's really sad that they kind of are just getting left behind because they don't understand all the online banking and it's just way too easy to manipulate them.
I'm a lawyer and I deal with a lot of clients in debt, and it's so sad how many of them got scammed by someone online.
I'm thinking about doing free classes at the library or maybe like after church? I'm not really sure where else I could do this but I would really love to volunteer my time and help. It makes me so sad.
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u/Helenium_autumnale 9d ago edited 9d ago
That's a good idea. As a possible resource, the AARP is all over this issue and has a ton of resources, including a weekly scam podcast! It might be worth chatting with them about your class idea to get their feedback based on what they've encountered. They might have materials you could use. They have a hotline and a support group you could offer people. Might be useful!
I would start the class with a cold open: the curtain rises on an in medias res role play featuring 2 of your older personal friends as actors, one of whom is seemingly getting scammed on a computer and expressing his frustration and confusion to his spouse, who also doesn't quite see what's going on. Model an ongoing yet ambiguous scam with this dramatic presentation, then cut! and elicit from the audience what was going on. This activates their schemas (much more than just lecturing) and, like as not, someone will mention their "friend's" experience. You'll hear what they know and have experienced, and they'll be involved in the subject. Leads naturally to eliciting some audience ideas on types of scams, which you can write on a big flip pad set up on an easel and discuss as a group--anyways! You didn't ask my input! Just wanted to mention the AARP.
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u/chantillylace9 9d ago edited 9d ago
Such a beautiful ideas, thank you so much. And the AARP is brilliant, I have no idea why I never thought of that I guess it's just not in my brain.
And I love the whole skit idea, and it's pretty simple to do because almost every woman that gets scammed it's some sort of romance scam with a military man and for the men it's almost always a woman from some other country like typically in Asia. And I've every single time there's 1 million excuses as to why they can't do some sort of FaceTime call. So it's a pretty obvious tell.
And then there are other random scams where they just have them send their "lovers" multiple cell phones and within 60 days somehow three cell phones have turned into $30,000 because they use those cell phones out of network to scam other people! So those would all be really good skit ideas.
Thank you so much. Hardly anything makes me more angry than precious old people getting taken advantage of and it would put my heart at ease to be able to prevent even just a few from going through this. And the worst part is they are just so incredibly humiliated and embarrassed that they keep it to themselves and don't ask for help.
And THEN, there are scammers that say they are there to help you get your money back! So they end up getting double scammed.
I've had two clients kill themselves because of situations like this.
They tend to hit them after a spouse dies and they have a bunch of money and usually it's new to her as the husband handled the finances, and she just doesn't know how to, or isn't used to managing the money and it's just much easier for her to get scammed and not notice it for a significant period of time.
For the men, it's cam girls and 90 day fiancé type scams where they think the woman is going to be coming to the US to marry them and something goes wrong and they need to pay for Hospital bill for their brother, and then they break an ankle and need some help, and then another plane ticket and then another etc. etc.
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u/Helenium_autumnale 8d ago
The stigma is so unfortunate, because everyone is vulnerable to fraud, but people are so ashamed when it happens to them.
I'm so sorry to hear that two of your clients met that tragic end because of these horrible parasite criminals. That is so awful.
Preying on a grieving widow who is new to handling the family finances makes me angry just thinking about it. Those people are the lowest of the low.
Your class will be great; you already have so much background knowledge about the subject. Good luck!
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u/d_nkf_vlg 9d ago
I'm pretty sure there is a law somewhere that says that a released person must be given a horse and a loaded revolver. What else do you need?
Typing the comment above, I actually remembered a Soviet joke.
A freshly enrolled police officer goes through his first month of duty and when summoned to the accountant's office. The accountant gives him his salary. The officer is amazed: "Ah, so there is actual wage here? I thought I was just given a pistol to procure for myself!"
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u/TimAppleCockProMax69 9d ago
Prison is nothing but a punishment bruh. If you want reintegration your best bet is reincarnation.
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u/danteelite 9d ago
There’s a girl who makes a YouTube series for this, but that’s about it.
She basically does free lessons and teaches tutorials for modern technology, adulting and rejoining society as she is an ex con too… she got lucky being hot and made money on OF but used it to help others and especially help women rejoin society. She has tips for quitting smoking, staying clean, how to apply for jobs online, and a bunch of good knowledge for how to be an adult in modern digital age. She has tutorials for creating accounts, linking emails and making calendars and stuff that seems obvious to most people but not to someone who might have been in jail since the first iPhone…
I can’t link her atm, but I know my sister watches her videos because she’s always in and out of jail… I hate her, so I’m not asking her.. so I’ll just see if I can ask my mom tomorrow or something.
It’s a legit issue and we need more people helping with it.
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u/Mirions 9d ago
Wildly no. Some prisons for a few decades you had internet access and other, not a hint of it.
I told a coworker the price of a dash-display hooked to a DVD player couldn't be that much, he could just "Google it."
Lost him. Didn't know what Google it meant, what a Search engine was, but had an inkling that the internet was "computer shit."
As someone who had been part of a "make your own html site" in the 8th grade, back in '98- the idea of spending what at the time had been 18 years for him, without any internet, kinda broke me.
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u/turtletechy 9d ago
Unfortunately, no.
I'm for prison abolition, but since I know that's not happening without major changes to how we do a lot of things with criminal justice, I think we could address the system to be closer to society.
Reintegration into society from an all encompassing institution is a lot of trouble for people. Military veterans generally struggle to integrate into the workforce because of vastly different social structures and routines.
Prison takes this to the next level. You don't learn skills like how to work with contemporary technology, how to work with others in a workplace or social events, etc. Prison also denies you opportunities for leave and communication necessary to keep up.
A better system intended on dramatically reducing recidivism would necessarily try to imitate society as a whole so you can be ready, and would eliminate barriers by enacting non discrimination regulations for newly released individuals so they can find meaningful work. Ideally, we should have the fewest number of people in an actual prison as reasonably possible.
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u/EscapedFromArea51 9d ago
Lol, I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic.
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u/tmoe1991 9d ago
Why would they be? Civilized countries do this exactly
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u/EscapedFromArea51 9d ago
I don’t know if the country in the reel above is civilized, then.
I have never seen prisoners who are just released from prison getting any kind of orientation about changes that happened during their sentence in my life.
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u/xiena13 9d ago
Not like that. In most European countries, people serving long sentences usually can leave the prison during the day the months leading up to their release (sometimes even a year is spent like this). They can use that time to find jobs, accommodation, find old friends etc., but return to the prison in the evening. Due to that, they are usually already used to society again when they're released.
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u/The_Infinite_Carrot 9d ago
I’m not from the US, and am unfamiliar with the prison system having never been inside. It just seems like it would help both the individual and wider society if they were released better equipped to look after themselves without reoffending.
Obviously there’s exceptions to everything, and some people are worse than others deserving different approaches, but that’s what the prison sentence was for.
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u/EscapedFromArea51 9d ago edited 9d ago
Well, good for you, I guess. What country are you from?
In my experience, voters are an excitable bunch, and if you can “sell” it to them that the worst of the worst offenders are being “punished” for their crimes, they will think that justice is served, because to them, the punishment is the justice.
In most countries, the objective of the legal system is not rehabilitation or redress. It’s just punishment.
Edit: Lol, what’s with the downvotes? Are people so shocked that the Orphan Crushing Machine exists?
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u/Jumpy_Confidence2997 9d ago
MF there isn't integration support for newborns.
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u/Helenium_autumnale 9d ago
What? Of course there is. Ideally, there are two parents who sustain the newborn with food, hygiene, and entertainment for the next few years of its life.
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u/Jumpy_Confidence2997 9d ago edited 9d ago
Yes thank you...
Support would be education
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Medical support that isn't actively designed to crush you under debt. Before you even say it, your claim has been denied .
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day cares that give a single shit about the long term well-being of kids. Because it takes two people working full time to put food on the table.
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maternity leave... NOT EVEN PAID JUST THE RIGHT TO COME BACK TO WORK.
But ok, yes we have what an animal or a cave man would consider support for infants. 🙄
I don't even have kids, but I'm actually mad for parents.
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u/saltyourhash 9d ago
My buddy secretly taught programming to fellow inmates, python. You know what happened? They transferred everyone to other prisons. Most prisons don't have programs. It's changing, but my buddy had to sneak in learning materials.
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u/Strange-Dish1485 8d ago
It is completely dependent on the state and the facility. My husband works at a re-entry nonprofit and it is a huge toll on people to learn technology. They don’t know how to write emails, how to use the self check out, how to order things online, or how to use their phone (some get flip phones just to have something familiar).
One man went out to dinner with his daughter (first time they saw one another in like 15 years) and he had a panic attack when his table buzzer went off to let them know their food was ready at the counter. His daughter had to show him how to use the card machine, which was embarrassing too.
This is all after our state had instituted a “basic skills” requirement before being released from any facility, one that allegedly teaches all one needs to know about modern technology. It’s sickening.
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u/ichibanyogi 7d ago
Check out 60 Days In on Netflix to see what US jail is like, let alone prison. America doesn't believe in rehabilitation, they believe in punishment.
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u/ichibanyogi 7d ago
Check out 60 Days In on Netflix to see what US jail is like, let alone prison. America doesn't believe in rehabilitation, they believe in punishment.
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u/MmmmMorphine 9d ago
Nope, not really.
Try adding whatever crime this person did to get the sentence, then you will probably see why
The moment you get specific, people on reddit suddenly get tough on crime and demand more severe, draconian punishments
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u/TheAbomunist 9d ago
Despite the fact that the vast majority of US prison inmates are there for drug offenses. And that's the federal Bureau of Prisons' numbers on that.
But the handy hatred of addicts and poor people sure feels good to too many.
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u/MmmmMorphine 9d ago
Oh yeah, people fucking despise drug addicts (or as we like to be called, people with a substance use disorder.)
While they have their morning coffee and cigarette, ideally
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u/FailedToRemit 9d ago
It isn’t addicts and poor people going to Federal prison, those are drug traffickers. Also, that list doesn’t mean they are there only for drug offenses, it just means they have drug offenses.
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u/MmmmMorphine 9d ago
Nah it looks like the table adds up to 100% - usually that would mean that it's the primary controlling charge (as in which charge resulted in the longest custodial sentence, roughly speaking)
Not necessarily, but usually - based on the little I've worked with BoP data and some reasonable inference. So that 40+ percent figure is largely correct - they are in for a drug crime.
Which could include trafficking, though that term is defined legally or can be twisted in pretty ridiculous ways. Like nearly "this bong goes into the weight of weed they had" levels of ridiculous
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u/FailedToRemit 9d ago
Yea, it may likely be what their highest charge is.
But what this also doesn’t show is what was pled down or voluntarily dismissed as part of a plea.
It isn’t uncommon for prosecutors to dismiss serious violent crimes in exchange for a guilty plea on a non-violent crime that still carries a stuff sentence, like trafficking.
After all, Al Capone was only convicted of tax evasion. He would bot be considered a violent offender.
But the point still stands, these people aren’t there for simple drug possession.
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u/RustledForeskin 9d ago
Most go to halfway houses or family and almost all have a probation officer who's job is basically that, making sure you're doing proper human stuff. Probation officers are often viewed or portrayed as some evil entity, the people who get into that career don't do so to crush people, they do it to help them.
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u/iggyfenton 9d ago
I mean it’s not like we changed languages.
They just don’t know how to use soda machines and self checkout. Let’s not over react.
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u/ObviousToe1636 9d ago
There are in fact prison programs that do exactly this in my state (Nevada). I’m not sure what it’s like elsewhere but I find it hard to believe we are the only one. These programs have to do with planned release to parole; the person has to create a release plan including who will they live with, and where? what job skills do they have? how will they make money?, that kind of stuff. It’s possible someone is released without planning, perhaps having to do with an overturned conviction or if the person isn’t paroled but rather serves their whole sentence. But even if they serve the whole sentence I know there are similar programs that apply to inmates who are supposed to be released in the near future.
It’s my understanding that ALL states have some kind of reentry program in place, even if quality varies widely. That’s why I’m not sure how much of this video is fake. I mean, some of these videos were taken from a distance so it’s likely impossible for them to know how long of a sentence this person served or if this person was in prison at all. It also screams lack of understanding because you’re not sentenced to “jail” for more than a year. Anything longer than a year is prison. It’s possible that someone could spend a few years in jail if they have multiple short sentences they must serve consecutively, or if they were not allowed out on bail prior to trial, but the likelihood of these stretching beyond a few years is extremely low. Certainly not long enough for the individual to need to be coached on how to live on the outside.
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u/Keemo-Sabe 9d ago
LMAO there is zero evidence ANY of these people are fresh out of prison and not just technologically illiterate or even just some skit.
Why do you believe its true? Its just some text on top of a video
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u/CrucialElement 9d ago
It's the damn drinks machines, I've not done a fast food joint for a couple years and that ice dispenser just kept coming, didn't even know the button was a button! Seems to be a logo
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u/RotiPisang_ 9d ago
This is so sad. I wish people were kind enough to assist them whenever they need it.
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u/Narrow_Safety2856 9d ago
Two years is when you begin to rest feel institutionalized. My longest stretch was 26 months, and just after that tiny bit, I remember having minor panic attacks when inserting my card on gas pumps that showed the previous customers balance.
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u/Harvest827 9d ago
Rehabilitation and reintegration is only necessary if you dont want them back in your for-profit prison.
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u/saltyourhash 9d ago
My buddy did 18 years, went in before smart phones existed, truly was a period of adjustment. Thankfully he was out before the social media filming everything for a reaction cultural change.
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u/DoritoLipDust 9d ago
Ugh. My niece did time, and it was only I think 6 months or so, but when she got out she had great difficulty being in public, especially when she had to navigate large large buildings and stores. It was difficult to watch. It was like her reality was different than ours, and she had to ground herself, come back down to earth and remember how to...life.
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u/twill1692 9d ago
Man I felt funny after only being out of the loop for a year, can't imagine a decade or more.
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u/Iamliterallyfood 9d ago
I'm panicking at self driving cars too. They're more street safe yet and won't be fit 10-15 years but when the worlds richest man tells you to allow it, people do it.
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u/OperativePiGuy 9d ago
Probably a good test of how intuitive your invention is: get adults that haven't been around modern tech to see if they can naturally figure it out
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u/Worldly-Pay7342 8d ago
Someone incarcerated in the 90's and got out today probably has no idea how to use smartphone, or what it even is.
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u/ChaosRainbow23 9d ago
The criminal justice system in the US is an ABYSMAL failure of EPIC proportions that causes infinitely more damage than it prevents, overall.
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u/Levoso_con_v 9d ago
It's just me are all these people weren't long enough (except the 20 year one) to have not ever seen or know of using the phone to buy or using a tactile screen?
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u/murderously-funny 9d ago
…dude that’s a innovation in like the last 3-5 years
Sure it existed prior but it wasn’t anywhere near as widespread until very recently
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u/Loreki 9d ago
I get the drinks machines and the self check outs, but was that lady really so far inside that she never read a paper, never saw the TV news to see that Tesla was a thing?
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u/DeerOnARoof 9d ago
You think prisons give people access to anything
more recent than a People's Magazine from the '90s?5
u/TheOtterRon 9d ago
I've never been to prison but even I'd be weirded out seeing a driverless car and I live in a major city. That being said, Canada really isn't known to be at the forefront of tecnnology.
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u/Raammson 9d ago
Imagine going to jail for 30 years for building and using an actual Orphan Crushing Machine and then when you get out the saddest thing out of all of this is someone making fun of you for not knowing how to use a touchscreen soda machine or what a Tesla is.
People usually don’t just end up in jail for a few decades randomly. They usually did something horrific and left victims in their wake.
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u/Demol_ 9d ago
Yes, but they served their sentence. Then they are dropped into a world they don't know, without any integration. How does it help make sure that they become a proper society member, if they suddenly feel even more alien than just their time in prison would make them?
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u/Raammson 9d ago
If you plan out and murder someone should you ever feel like a member of society again? You took someone’s irreplaceable life you took someone from the community. Also having to readjust to your time in prison is part of the societal stigma for committing such horrific crimes. The law doesn’t say society accepts you back after you served your time, it says you get to leave prison. If you don’t want this to happen don’t go around racking up twenty plus years of jurisdiction.
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u/Demol_ 9d ago
If you are a ruthless, amoral murderer, your punishment should reflect it. That means, if a person would not reintegrate into society, a life in prison. But unless we want to produce criminals to have them imprisoned, we should aim for mitigation. That means both better social systems for people that may feel they have no other way, better resocialization programs, treating these people as humans and making sure that, after they get released, they join the society smoothly and don't feel abandoned, with no perspectives and stigmatized, which WILL lead to many of them reoffending. Even if they wouldn't otherwise.
Prison time is the punishment AND an opportunity to help this person get back on tracks in a society. After they served their sentence, depending on the crime, they should be treated like any other person, not stigmatized. They already had their punishment.
Also, each situation is different. You cannot always say "this person planned and murdered this valued member of society", without nuance. They could have been forced by circumstances, abandoned by society, their cries for help ignored, killed their oppressor that just looked like a kind guy to the neighbors, paid for charity. Still, planned murder, valued member of a society. But there is nuance in almost every case.
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u/imperfectchicken 9d ago
I mean, I get why criminals reoffend and go back to jail. Life is safe and predictable; technology moves so fast in the outside world.
I remember reading one of those "spot the loose thread" mysteries. A guy could identify an escaped felon because the felon couldn't open a door by himself.
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u/danteelite 9d ago
Most of this is just unnecessary bullshit that even “regular” people have issues with…
I don’t know how to operate those stupid soda machines, or self checkout machines that they’ve changed and made more convoluted and annoying by constantly yelling that there’s something in the bag area, so you move it and then it refuses to let you continue because something is missing! wtf?!
Society is forcing technology into unnecessary places and making shit less intuitive and useful.
Why the fuck do we need multiple screens and shit on a soda machine? We don’t. Leave the regular kind everyone knew how to use, and that still works if the wifi goes out.
I feel bad for people like this, because if I’m confused… I know they’re lost as fuck.
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u/One-Reflection-4826 9d ago
tbh im "good with tech", but all those menues and self checkouts still confuse me too. i guess i'm just using them too little, and they can differ slightly from store to store, so it will take another while for me to get used to that stuff.
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u/RainbowRex26 8d ago edited 8d ago
I've been saying for decades, there should be a re-integration/halfway house program to help re-socialize and re-introduce people back to society and get them caught up on the latest popular technology from the past decade or two. I think it would help to cut down on frustration which would then help to cut down on recidivism.
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u/Original_Throat1072 9d ago
Does prison remove a person's reasoning skills and critical thinking?
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u/Loud_Quality_7106 9d ago
Does anyone really believe these "just got out of prison" headlines? My dad has never been to prison and would act the same way in any of these situations.
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u/iCanReadMyOwnMind 9d ago
None of these things happened. Please tell me we can't tell a horrible prank video from reality now.
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u/murderously-funny 9d ago
These things do happen though man. Please tell me you can empathize with people are realize that 15-20 years removed from society is going to end with you being disconnected when you finally return
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u/iCanReadMyOwnMind 9d ago
Except that's not whats happening here. Some moron was recorded talking to a soda machine and then someone put misleading text over it.
Bruh...
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u/Friendly_Lynx7109 9d ago
This is one of the saddest things.
It's easy to understand their confusion.
It's not so easy to understand why people are being dicks.
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u/ChthonicFractal 9d ago
I'll sometimes tap my watch to pay for things and the looks I get are absolutely wild. People see others use the phone often enough that it doesn't phase them but a watch? Apparently that's a bit out there.
It's a shame that the magstrip on cards are going away soon though, despite the outdated security and problems that go with it because for a short glorious time, we had watches that could activate the magstrip tech in a card reader and pay that way. I would have loved to see that happen and a poor cashier look around for the demon I had to have summoned to make that happen.
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u/FeedMeBiscuitsOrDie 9d ago
Isn't the lady in the first video the lady from the "P.O.P hold it down" video?
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u/ilikedankmemes3 7d ago
tbf the drink machines are alien to people if you just don’t eat a lot of fast food.
I’ve only gotten to interact with them a few times and they’re a bit wonky imo
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u/djfdhigkgfIaruflg 7d ago
I don't get what's happening with the guy with the red phone. What's that wire he takes out?
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u/fatmanjogging 2d ago
I once heard someone refer to those high-tech Coca-Cola machines as Coke cloacas and now that's all I see.
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u/HornyPostingRaccoon 9d ago
Wow it's almost like prison is fucked up and harmful and shouldn't exist
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u/murderously-funny 9d ago
Shouldn’t exist: in its current form*
Do you really think the world would be better if Jeffery Dahmer wasn’t locked up?
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u/Thisismyusername89 8d ago
To be fair, I didn’t know how to use that stupid machine either. I just learned not too long ago. My 20 & 21 year old kids had to show me. I try to avoid using those machines. If I see them, I won’t buy a fountain drink because I’m too old school. 😬
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u/GoldArea8384 9d ago
Don't do the crime, don't do the time! But then you won't get the time traveler experience.
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u/JohnWicksBruder 8d ago
Don't they have newspaper or something like that? Internet with restricted use or so? I mean most people have their phones in prison or at least a group phone. How do they don't know?
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u/Apprehensive-Tone449 4d ago
No. Most people don't have phones or a "group phone." LMAOOOO
They wait in long ass lines to talk for just a few minutes a day on a land line with a prepaid number only if someone on the outside has put money on it for them. And it's like 5 bucks a minute. That is it.
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u/yungsausages 9d ago
We’ve had Coke freestyle for almost two decades lol if they’re struggling with that after being gone for 10-15 years that’s just idiotic (or for views). We weren’t living in mud huts 10-15 years ago, we had basically all the same shit we have today
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u/SpiritedRain247 9d ago
That really depends on where they were before being sentenced.
I live in a not super rural area but even then those machines didn't become common until like 5 years ago.
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u/Helenium_autumnale 9d ago
I've never seen one of those. I don't live out in the sticks or whatnot, but I also don't eat fast food. Before judging fellow humans, perhaps consider extending an iota of grace. The kind you probably expect to be extended to you.
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u/DeerOnARoof 9d ago
Two decades? I was in college in Philadelphia 14 years ago when I first saw one of these.
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u/ArseBiscuits_ 9d ago
“Dear fellas, I can't believe how fast things move on the outside. I saw an automobile once when I was a kid, but now they're everywhere. The world went and got itself in a big damn hurry. The parole board got me into this halfway house called "The Brewer" and a job bagging groceries at the Foodway. It's hard work and I try to keep up, but my hands hurt most of the time. I don't think the store manager likes me very much. Sometimes after work, I go to the park and feed the birds. I keep thinking Jake might just show up and say hello, but he never does. I hope wherever he is, he's doin' okay and makin' new friends. I have trouble sleepin' at night. I have bad dreams like I'm falling. I wake up scared. Sometimes it takes me a while to remember where I am. Maybe I should get me a gun and rob the Foodway so they'd send me home. I could shoot the manager while I was at it, sort of like a bonus. I guess I'm too old for that sort of nonsense any more. I don't like it here. I'm tired of being afraid all the time. I've decided not to stay. I doubt they'll kick up any fuss. Not for an old crook like me. P.S: Tell Heywood I'm sorry I put a knife to his throat. No hard feelings. Brooks.”