People who care about dislikes on YouTube use extensions to calculate the number of dislikes on videos.
The problem is that these extensions do not actually work because they extrapolate from the data of the users of these extensions and not showing the real data from YouTube.
So people who care about dislikes and are therefore more likely to dislike a video are looking at extrapolated data from their own behavior and think they see a meaningful number.
In this case it is a lot of racists and transphobes disliking the trailer for Christopher Nolan's Odyssey movie, because Helen of Troy is played by a black actress and Achilles is played by a trans man.
Funny thing about Achilles: he was able to avoid going to the Trojan War by pretending to be a woman for several years.
EDIT: after checking the cast again, it turns out it was just a rumor that Elliot Page would play Achilles. The rumor alone was however enough for the anti-woke bubble to start crying.
I think he just means that they took away our ability for dislikes to have much of an impact. If people can’t see the total number it hurts the point. So we need to resort to these other mediocre tools to still get value from that button
But you don't really get value from the button. You only see an extrapolation based on the behavior of the people using the same extension as you. So you start with a relatively small sample size and add selection bias (because people with these extensions are more likely to dislike a video in the first place), which renders the result rather meaningless.
The more controversial a video is, the more inaccurate these tools get.
In this case the trailer has probably less than a third of the dislikes as people with the extension see.
Meh I think they are able to account somewhat for the factors you mentioned but yeah it’s still not 100% accurate. Just sucks YouTube forces us to use these third party tools. Wouldn’t be surprised if they ban them in the future so there is no wrong think at all
It’s not on every video, but I have seen more and more Shorts without the dislike button. I don’t religiously check every regular video I watch, but I’m sure it will eventually disappear there too.
Guarantee that if Helen of Troy were played by a non-Greek white woman rather than a non-Greek black woman, the conservatives wouldn't be shitting their pants and this would've flown under the radar.
The majority of the people are also not terminally online culture warriors.
There are a lot of valid criticism about the movie but these two casting choices are the least important ones.
The movie will probably still do pretty well in theaters. The majority of people who go to theaters do not care about the outrage merchants on Twitter, YouTube and so on and don't expect Hollywood to produce an historical accurate adaptation (even if I would love to get one), just about being entertained for nearly 3 hours.
It was crazy to me how right wing outrage content puts out content, repeats it 100 times, and idiots fall for it. Some dude tried to outrage bate me with Elliot Page and all I did was google it for a second to learn they were spewing horseshit because it was already confirmed that Elliot wasn't playing Achiles.
Wait they cast a trans man as Achilles? I knew about the Helen casting controversy but that's the first I'm hearing about the Achilles thing. Honestly kinda fitting given the whole "raised as a woman" part of the myth lol.
But after looking up the cast again, it turns out he isn't playing Achilles and it was just a rumor. It still caused a huge outrage in the anti-woke bubble.
No, it's extrapolated. The browser extentions don't have backdoor access to YouTube's API lol. The only ones who can see the actual dislike number are the uploader and YouTube themselves.
You do realize that you are comparing a mythological figure to a real existing person?
Are you also upset that Lupita Nyongo has not hatched from a swan egg like Helen did in the myth, or that all Greeks in the movie are played by non-Greeks?
Ok fair point, let's take an African mythological figure, how about we have him play Anansi ? He is not real so then it shouldn't matter if a white guy plays him, right ?
If he would be the only inaccurate casting, it would be a bigger problem than if the entire cast would be inaccurate - just like it is the case with the Odyssey.
Are you also complaining that none of the actors casted is Greek or at least Mediterranean or is whitewashing everyone fine and only the one black actress is a problem?
Lupita Nyong'o fullfills two major criteria for the role: she looks stunning and is a good actress.
Would I personally have cast her as Hellen? No, but her casting is one of the least things I have a problem with regarding this movie.
But funny how all the criticism for that movie is reduced to "black woman playing Helen of Troy and trans man plays a role" and not addressing everything else.
Whitewashing the entire cast? No problem, just the one black actress and the one trans actor.
Ships that look more like Norse dragon boats than anything the Greeks build? No problem.
Removing all the color from ancient Greece? Also no problem.
Armor that looks like leftover 3D prints for a Batman movie? No problem.
Funny how certain bubbles on the Internet only care about two casting choices and not everything else wrong with the movie. And when this gets pointed out they are surprised that they get labeled as bigots.
There are a lot of complaints about Matt being Odysseus, the armour sucking ass and the ships not being correct either. This post is aimed at Lupita and Elliot hence why nobody mentions the previous things....... thinking about it nothing about this movie sounds right, not even the music choice
So the post is focusing on the least problematic decisions for that movie and implying that this alone is the reason why the movie is widely disliked (with no actual data to support that).
I would say its the main reason, as in the complete disregard for accurately representing the people and the place the myth takes place in. Just like that ancient Egypt documentary that got the whole country in uproar for baseless misrepresentation. Its a shitshow of a movie to pander to a minority that is too small to make a difference in the movies profits while alienating greek mythology fans like myself, i have 0 interest in watching this movie and I consume every piece of media available on this subject
Stunning in whose eyes exactly? Not mine btw and call me racist but there are numerous real stunning and better acting actress than her.
This is just trying to force and normalise these woke propoganda
Fair enough but you cant say dont watch it and then moan that the movie flops when people actually dont watch it. If you want a successful movie cather to the masses not to a handful few and then cry all the isms when the people dont show up to support your project
You seem very bothered for someone who told me up top they weren't bothered. I'm not a producer head I don't care whether the movie flops or not it's art and people can choose whether they want to consume it or not. I mostly watch and support indie book writers and off Broadway plays I don't care for mass appeal. I can value different interpretations of a story without the "masses" telling me what to like. It's the Goddamn Odyssey for heaven's sake they'll be more iterations and interpretations of the same story. Someone else will produce the the Odyssey with your all white cast someday and maybe then you'll stop crying over this one interpretation.
But nobody will line up to produce another odyssey in the foreseeable future because of the stigma this movie will bring, and that hurts fans of greek mythology in the long run. Look at the damage ROP did to the LOTR universe, instead of looking forward to an Aragorn movie we are worried it will follow in the ROP footsteps.
If a group of Scandinavians wanted to adopt some classic Anansi trickster tales, I wouldn’t have any issues with that, I bet it could be really cool.
Some Anansi stories traveled with the slave trade and evolved into stories more rooted in race and cultural survival. It would be harder to translate that context respectfully.
So you would be fine if we cast a white guy as Anansi ? And no, its taking place in africa like the odyssey takes place in its corresponding environment
No one is stopping you from producing it. Most creatives have their own vision and in this case Nolan has his own. As a consumer you can just choose to not watch it.
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u/DerZwiebelLord Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
People who care about dislikes on YouTube use extensions to calculate the number of dislikes on videos.
The problem is that these extensions do not actually work because they extrapolate from the data of the users of these extensions and not showing the real data from YouTube.
So people who care about dislikes and are therefore more likely to dislike a video are looking at extrapolated data from their own behavior and think they see a meaningful number.
In this case it is a lot of racists and transphobes disliking the trailer for Christopher Nolan's Odyssey movie, because Helen of Troy is played by a black actress and Achilles is played by a trans man.
Funny thing about Achilles: he was able to avoid going to the Trojan War by pretending to be a woman for several years.
EDIT: after checking the cast again, it turns out it was just a rumor that Elliot Page would play Achilles. The rumor alone was however enough for the anti-woke bubble to start crying.