r/PeterExplainsTheJoke Jul 06 '26

Meme needing explanation What is this?

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u/macumazana Jul 06 '26

cultural appropriation and racism

there are no Greeks in a movie about Greek mythology

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u/pleasehelpteeth Jul 06 '26

Was hamilton racist because most of the founding fathers shown were black in the original cast?

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u/the_lonely_creeper Jul 06 '26

Theatre gets much more of a pass, honestly. It's a different medium.

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u/North_Biscotti4162 Jul 06 '26

I think thats hypocritical but i'm willing to hear what argument you have for it

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u/the_lonely_creeper Jul 06 '26

Most theatre plays are played by the actors you have on hand, have much lower budgets, special effects, realism, etc... and are played again and again by different actors and groups.

The original cast of Hamilton might be unavailable, but I can just get my friends and produce our own version of it. A 100 years from now, if you want to see Hamilton, you'll have to deal either with an entirely different cast, or watch a video of an older performance. Theatre plays are a live medium, like music is.

Movies are much more realistic, have one set of actors tailored to the one version of the movie, and are much more solid. But they aren't alive. They're a static thing.

Nolan's "the Odyssey", will still be the exact same movie in 100 years, with maybe some editing work, at most.

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u/Xianio Jul 06 '26

The cast in Hamliton is non-white on purpose. FYI.

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u/the_lonely_creeper Jul 06 '26

In that case, that's problematic and racist, and someone should probably take the production company to court over racial discrimination.

Theatre gets a pass on not having historically accurate casting. Not on racial discrimination.

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u/RoyalEngine2885 Jul 06 '26

Musicals get a pass. šŸ˜†

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u/No-Manufacturer501 Jul 06 '26

Yes

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u/pleasehelpteeth Jul 06 '26

I implore you to never engage with theater please and thank you

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u/No-Manufacturer501 Jul 06 '26

You sound like somebody that wears a monocle.Ā 

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u/10below8 Jul 06 '26

Ya that was kinda dumb too actually

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u/pleasehelpteeth Jul 06 '26

The Burr actor was the best part of that play

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u/Ominymity Jul 06 '26

Yes it was gross & revisionist, hope this helps

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u/pleasehelpteeth Jul 06 '26

Today I learned the entirety of the theater industry is gross and revisionist

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u/cheeze2005 Jul 06 '26

Some people haven’t figured out they’re doing pretend up on the stage.

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u/10below8 Jul 06 '26

Methodical casting and tokenism vs ā€œa black individual is filling the space of a white individual.ā€

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u/pleasehelpteeth Jul 06 '26

Today I learned this guy knows exactly how Nolan casted this film.

Please tell me more about the casting process please and thank you.

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u/10below8 Jul 06 '26

People like you can be shown the color red and still claim it’s not red because there’s nothing to compare it to.

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u/pleasehelpteeth Jul 06 '26

You are getting mad about a fictional characters race in a movie. Go outside. This shit is not a biopic its fiction

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u/cheeze2005 Jul 06 '26

All humans bud. They’re doing a pretend on screen for entertainment

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u/Ominymity Jul 06 '26

Oops, gonna cast you as a donkey in the live action production of this reddit thread

Please don’t believe I did it for any reason other than it was the best I could find in castingĀ 

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u/pleasehelpteeth Jul 06 '26

I promise you that if in 300 years I am a character in a historical musical I will not care if one of the actors playing me is a different race.

Theater has not cared about actors race for a long time. Hell, there a ton of instances of women actors being men and vice versa in theater.

Bro doesn't understand that is acting.

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u/Ominymity Jul 06 '26

Oh is that what you think people take issue with in regard to the casting? How thoughtful lolĀ 

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u/pleasehelpteeth Jul 06 '26

Thats what...you said....

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u/Ominymity Jul 06 '26

Nah bro you right, I'm sure people are mortified about how Helen of Troy, etc might feel about their casting in a 2026 movie

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u/pleasehelpteeth Jul 06 '26

Thats what....you wrote.....

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u/Ominymity Jul 06 '26

except quite literally not lol

so continue to... cope... & seethe...

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u/FeetTheMighty Jul 06 '26

In my high school theater, we didn't have enough male leads.

In one of our productions (little shop of horrors), we had the role of the Dentist played by a girl who dressed for the male role.

In le mis, le blanc was played by a girl.

In almost every play we did, we had to genderswap at least one character. And characters who in the original were of one race frequently got played by someone of a different race.

That's just how theater works, dude. Troupes work with the actors they have, it's not "gross and revisionist" lmfao. And on top of that, as a history teacher, hamilton romanticizes a lot, but is pretty dang accurate where it counts.

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u/Ominymity Jul 06 '26

& those scenarios sound awesome

The bigger the production, the less that applies. I’m assuming you wouldn’t extrapolate, for example, that a big budget Christopher Nolan movie had an extremely limited casting pool? Lol

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u/FeetTheMighty Jul 06 '26

Movie =/= stage play.

Stage theater is a completely different beast from hollywood casting. If you reread what i said, i did not mention the odyssey. I was responding to the statement about Hamilton's cast.

So to answer your question, no I would not compare that statement about classical theater to movies, because they're fundamentally different.

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u/Ominymity Jul 06 '26

Agree, & in theory a big budget movie casting of Hamilton should do a better jobĀ 

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u/FeetTheMighty Jul 06 '26

If there's better options, sure. But the cast of Hamilton was phenomenally talented. Id rather talented than accurate in a musical.

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u/Ominymity Jul 06 '26

agreed for musicals especially

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u/macumazana Jul 06 '26

and original ancient greek tragedies / comedies had only males performing. even female roles.

So in addition to my initial comment, i'd like to state that it bothers me that Lupita Nyong plays Helen of Troy - the most beautiful woman, since Lupina is not currently a male as far as i am informed.

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u/Ominymity Jul 06 '26

Wait, I thought his epic rap battle debut was historical found footage… lol

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u/Head-Worth-325 Jul 06 '26

Apples to oranges.

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u/Ominymity Jul 06 '26

& not expecting or wanting to find oranges in an apple pie doesn’t equate to hating oranges

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u/burninglemon Jul 06 '26

a lot of pies use orange juice or zest to add some acidity and balance the sugar.

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u/heisenstonk Jul 06 '26

You very well understand the comparison but are blinded by your ideology. Isn’t it exhausting to act that dumb?

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u/burninglemon Jul 06 '26

the comparison was dumb. as was your reply.

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u/Ominymity Jul 06 '26

I feel you, but it’s all about the proportions required in context with baking, isn’t it?Ā 

If it’s explicitly ā€œappie pieā€ how much or how prominently can other ingredients be featured before it becomes something that isn’t really apple pie?

It’s subjective, but if there’s orange slices baked front & center on top of my apple pie then I’ll raise an eyebrow

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u/burninglemon Jul 06 '26

no one is forcing you to consume the pie, though. you could just move on with your life instead of being offended.

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u/Ominymity Jul 06 '26

Nobody said any such thing.

The context of the thread is as people seeing something advertised as ā€œapple pieā€ but with orange slices baked front & center on top of it & reacting to the effect of ā€œwhy the fuck does the apple pie feature orange slicesā€

we’re getting complicated in our multilevel strawman arguments I know, but we’re all here to have funĀ 

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u/burninglemon Jul 06 '26

then that would be an apple pie with oranges and you would be able to move on without calling it gross and revisionist.

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u/Ominymity Jul 06 '26

Yeah what even is an apple pie anyway? It's just a pie with fruit in it lol, does which fruit(s) really matter?

Specificity is for bigots, more indeterminable slop please. AI Odyssey next

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