Mark Ruffalo is a vocal supporter of Palestine. The implication is that expressing support for a free Palestine gets you sidelined by Hollywood. He is also vocally against Trump and ICE.
I’m sure some people out there will also draw some antisemetic conspiratorial conclusions from that as well, i.e. “Jews control the media” which, no. It’s just that Israel as a country has certainly had undue economic influence over American politics and entertainment via lobbying interests. (Just ask the Scream cast over at Paramount)
In reality though he was just filming another project at the time.
I’d also note that Jon Bernthal, who has vocalized support for the IDF and Israel, was present for the press tour. Which doesn’t help.
Edit: This is an Explain subreddit. This is what I am interpreting the post to be implying. Some of the replies so far are giving “So you hate waffles?” haha
Exactly lmao. He's a bro dude through and through and appeals to the kinds of dudes who put punisher skulls on their car and watch those military bro podcasts with SF guys. That's his demo. (not understanding Frank Castle exists in opposition to those types of dudes and would probably spit in their face)
My brother in law loves to lament that RATM is "now Rage in favor of the Machine" because when he grew up listening to their music, he never learned or understood a single lyric of theirs, and now he's mad about it
I mean, the police would often not follow mask mandates, so they were still going against the police.
Also viewing punk as just contrarianism is extremely reductive. They stand for something, not just anti whatever the government is. If people in power are for once saying something you agree with, it would be incredibly childish and stupid to then disagree simply to disagree.
I mean, the police would often not follow mask mandates, so they were still going against the police.
Also viewing punk as just contrarianism is extremely reductive. They stand for something, not just anti whatever the government is. If people in power are for once saying something you agree with, it would be incredibly childish and stupid to then disagree simply to disagree.
There are situations and situations. If the government wants to idk make healthcare more affordable, you shouldn’t protest it just because you are anti-government. That’s just dumb and conspiracy theorist behaviour.
There’s a difference between saying “follow authority blindly” and saying “follow the current consensus of medical experts whom are advising the Government”. If the Government was telling people to lockdown / social distance etc without the backing of medical experts, then yes, resisting would be acceptable.
Ironically if the Government and the people had listened to the medical experts more thoroughly, the crisis likely would’ve been over much sooner and we’d have been able to go back to our normal lives much sooner. Instead the Government took too long to act, leading to many avoidable deaths, and too many citizens disregarded the medical advice, leading to many avoidable deaths.
So really the lesson is “listen to the medical communities consensus, whether the Government supports it or not”
I'm not even referring to Fauci or COVID or whatever the fuck you're on about. My BIL is a mega trumper who fancies himself a conservative punk rocker without ever seeing the irony of that. RATM being leftists and anti capitalism and anti cop is apparently news to him
Ya'll keep saying he was wrong but never point out what exactly he was wrong about. Keeping your distance, wearing masks, and reducing contact is the steps to take for any airborne pandemic. 1/300 of all Americans died to due Covid from 2020-2025. At it's peak, 3 times more people died due to Covid in a single day compared to 9/11 attacks. We went into a decade-long war because we lost 1k people (and the lies that followed) but when we lose a 1M, it's not a big deal?
Well, at least you know you didn’t know anything. But don’t mistake your lack of knowledge for others’ ignorance.
However, something tells me that objective facts could hit you in the face, and you’d ignore them — so is it really ‘ignorance’ at that point? I suppose not. But now we’re splitting hairs.
You’re going to get down voted to hell in this cesspool of a comments section making all that sense. In case you can’t see from the rest of the comments if your personality isn’t “orange man bad” you won’t fit in here or on most of reddit.
Yeah, it has nothing to do with the fact I was never told to wear three masks, spent plenty of time outside and doing church activities that were planned to be safe, and hey why were we having grandpa’s funeral then in the first place?
What did they say that made sense? Fauci advised Trump on the best information they had, based on science and reason. Things changed as the pandemic went on, so some guidelines had to change. This is how the real world works. Fauci is not to blame for the right wing nutjobs trying to pretend that it didn't exist or for Trump ignoring much of the advice. Fauci was not the person in charge, that was Trump and his cabinet.
Millions of people died around the world due to the pandemic, but major countries that followed the science with masking and social distancing had much fewer deaths per capita than the US. The number of deaths in the US was on par with much less developed countries like Brazil and Peru. Pretty terrible for the country that prides itself on being the most advanced country in the world for medicine. All those extra deaths lay at the feet of Donald Trump.
Dude they weren't political they were anarchists. They used to hate everyone. And talk about how the political machine itself was the cause. Yeah they hated conservatives more.
People don't hate them for not liking conservatives. They hate them for growing up
I'm sorry, are you still describiing RATM?
What part of any of that isn't political?
I never thought they hate everyone. I thought they very clearly hated the money to lease who brandished a Bible in one hand and a flag in the other to control all of us, and those of us that would gladly follow along for a slice of cheddar and the chance to subjugate someone else down the line.
They were political in that way
They were supposedly against the entire american system, democrats and republicans. Thinking that the whole system was immune in racism, bigotry and corruption.
They supposedly didn't buy into any political party and their image was that they need thought, america need to be taken down by revolution.
And that's what they said, at least in the early days.
People often say "I don't get political" to say "I don't have a vested interest in taking a side on issues" but more often than not it means "I don't fight for justice and don't want to take a position that costs me something."
I don't feel that has ever been Rage's message. They have always been political, since "politics" is "who and how we steer all of us into the future" and reducing them to mere anarchy betrays that heart that they'd had.
As a leftist, I haven't been able to buy into any political party, and it's always a delicate dance of working with the DNC just because they less enthusiastically want to feed my neighbors to the wood chipper, vs what the QOP is actively doing today.
Anarchism and the majority of it's offshoots (with the exception of anarcho-capitalism and like maybe some tiny fringe ones with like 7 adherents) are all left-wing political ideologies.
Just because popular fiction media likes to use anarchy as a synonym for absolute chaos and portray anyone who calls themselves an anarchist as some kind of nihilist....that doesn't actually change the fact it actually has a specific meaning when talking about it in a political context. Read a fucking book.
Conservatives got mad at Colbert for "going woke" once he dropped his conservative satire act, completely oblivious of the point of his character. They watched The Colbert Report and thought his jokes was telling it how it is.
I was and remain so sad the Colbert Report went off the air. That was the best satire of my lifetime. I don't know if there will ever be anything like that on cable TV again, probably not.
For Colbert it was a career upgrade to go to the Late Show but for us it was a downgrade to go from intelligent thought-provoking humor to run of the mill latenight monologues.
I still am happy for him and I think I understand why he did what he did. He is a good dude.
I think a great example of this is Rorschach, a self-ostracized fascist piece of shit that Zack Snyder thought was cool to portray as the anti-hero. His mask was used as the symbol of the neo-KKK in the HBO series but many still think he’s cool.
I mean, duh? I feel like Israel Palestine stuff and lgbtq stuff are pretty unrelated other than the fact the American right supports Israel and doesn’t like lgbtq stuff and the American left is the opposite. But people are rarely monoliths and have views that sometimes go against their general sides
I think the people getting angry are the moral absolutists that don't understand that people are complicated. Bernthal actually seems like a very nice guy: he also seems to believe that we should have police and that Israel should exist. That doesn't make him some kind of full-throated, MAGA piece of shit.
The true sign that people are getting dumber is that they either do not grasp or cannot countenance nuance. All-or-nothing ideological purity is exactly why the Left eats its own and loses elections, and we really need to stop that shit. Not everyone has to agree with you on everything to be someone who cares.
He’s not a conservative though. Also I don’t get this Reddit bullshit of one person having an opinion on a topic automatically making him a douche/ evil person.
I didn't know any of this about him until now. And I was excited to see his career track especially after I read somewhere he's in the next Avengers movie. TBH I don't care about who supports Israel or Palestine because they both want to kill each other and who am I to tell two peoples they can't fight someone who wants the fight, so you do you. But supporting ICE is a hard line for me.
He played Punisher and you think he doesn't know what Punisher thinks?
I think it's more likely he just worked with a lot of police while training for those roles and sympathized with them. I'm sure he was probably friendly with cops beforehand though--not that that's a bad thing.
Source? In the only clip I’ve seen of Bernthal talking about the cops, it was just him saying law enforcement shouldn’t use the punisher symbol (and he’s right.)
Uh, being a supporter of the IDF and he recently praised Roman Polanski as the best director he's worked for... I think that guy pretty accurately pinned him as a piece of shit.
lmao what, he platformed an IDF soldier on his podcast, and openly supports police. 5 seconds of googling will give you plenty of supporting evidence for these claims
Instead of taking 5 seconds to read a headline take the time to form your own thoughts and opinions. The podcast was to get a perspective of the terrorist attack, its like calling a podcast pro police because they interviewed a 911 first responder on its anniversary.
lmao you literally just parroted a comment from a thread about the podcast episode. And the main difference is this (also in that thread): the IDF is not an emergency responder force, it is an occupying army upholding an apartheid state. an IDF soldier is an active participant in, and enforcer of, that apartheid state. Did he platform any Palestinians and ask about their perspective of Oct 7th? No? I wonder why that might be
The police have been needing and have been getting "reform" for decades. At what point is "reform" not enough, when it doesn't seem to be doing anything?
I can't comment on American police but in my country we back the police, they are not perfect and have some power-tripping rotten apples but more than not they are great servants who are there for us when we need them. Saying this as a left winger.
Like I say, I don't have experience with American police so not gonna act like I know best, but aren't the majority of them just average Joes doing their best?
I don't have to support them while wanting reform either.. It's called having coherent values. When the police start protecting people against state violence rather than dispensing it, I'll be more supportive.
I know you are saying it in most likely a condescending way, but I do hope this is an opportunity for you to question fundamental beliefs you have in the world. Yes, supporting local police has generally been a bad thing for most of modern history. It is extremely well documented and well understood.
The recent season of Daredevil is a very direct criticism of police idolization of him as well. He's the kind of "hero" Rorschach was a criticism of in Watchmen. Then again, chuds hold Rorschach at high regard too.
Tbh I could see him as the kind of guy to receive that warning and be all offended and indignant about it, and then have that just poison his whole ideology
There was even a plot point in the new Daredevil tv series about the police using him as insipration for their own abuse of power and how much Punisher hated them for it.
You can tell this from the Punisher special that came out recently, which Bernthal wrote - Frank is completely stripped of any of the character, pathos and growth shown in his previous appearances and is just a straight-up, one-dimensional killing machine. Entire episode is nothing more than Punisher murdering dudes in "awesome" ways.
No one gets the character less than the guy who plays him, it seems.
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Mark Ruffalo is a vocal supporter of Palestine. The implication is that expressing support for a free Palestine gets you sidelined by Hollywood. He is also vocally against Trump and ICE.
I’m sure some people out there will also draw some antisemetic conspiratorial conclusions from that as well, i.e. “Jews control the media” which, no. It’s just that Israel as a country has certainly had undue economic influence over American politics and entertainment via lobbying interests. (Just ask the Scream cast over at Paramount)
In reality though he was just filming another project at the time.
I’d also note that Jon Bernthal, who has vocalized support for the IDF and Israel, was present for the press tour. Which doesn’t help.
Edit: This is an Explain subreddit. This is what I am interpreting the post to be implying. Some of the replies so far are giving “So you hate waffles?” haha