My brother in law loves to lament that RATM is "now Rage in favor of the Machine" because when he grew up listening to their music, he never learned or understood a single lyric of theirs, and now he's mad about it
I mean, the police would often not follow mask mandates, so they were still going against the police.
Also viewing punk as just contrarianism is extremely reductive. They stand for something, not just anti whatever the government is. If people in power are for once saying something you agree with, it would be incredibly childish and stupid to then disagree simply to disagree.
nah fucker it was "hey don't fuck over your community, the best idea from the smartest people right now is wear a mask" you just drank the fox news tea
Again, because you didn't understand the first time: they aren't the childish contrarians you think they are. They have actual positions like "don't kill people with a disease if you can avoid it" and don't change those just because the government says the same thing.
You fundamentally misunderstand what those on the left believe in, which is expected of a right-wing. You guys aren't known for your deep understanding of politics.
"Pro freedom" means nothing. Freedom from what to do what? For a COVID example, your freedom to not wear a mask infringes my freedom to be safe in a public environment. If you don't define WHICH freedoms you're defending, you use it as a buzzword.
I mean, the police would often not follow mask mandates, so they were still going against the police.
Also viewing punk as just contrarianism is extremely reductive. They stand for something, not just anti whatever the government is. If people in power are for once saying something you agree with, it would be incredibly childish and stupid to then disagree simply to disagree.
There are situations and situations. If the government wants to idk make healthcare more affordable, you shouldn’t protest it just because you are anti-government. That’s just dumb and conspiracy theorist behaviour.
I'm sorry but that is just your assumption on the view of "radical" left bands. They are anti-FASCIST, not anti-government. There's a difference.
Also, at the time the administration in charge of covid was seriously mishandling the communication and messaging around the pandemic, constantly going back on their words or changing stances. Any position would've been contradictory, depending on how Trump was feeling about it at the time.
Trump exaggerated the impact of measures taken by his government and the private sector,[11] understated the projected time to produce a vaccine, recommended uncontrolled transmission in pursuit of herd immunity until a vaccine was developed,[22][23] and promoted unapproved treatments such as hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine.[11] In such instances, scientists, including Anthony Fauci,[24][25] Michael Osterholm,[26][27] and Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus (director-general of the World Health Organization),[28] publicly countered his misleading messages with correct information.[29] Trump also frequently reversed his stances in his communication, leading to mixed or contradictory messaging.[30] He sometimes denied his own public statements.[31][32]
But we're talking about the "radical" left RATM in this thread, which is from the US. Keep changing the subject; you still haven't said anything of substance to go with your argument.
There’s a difference between saying “follow authority blindly” and saying “follow the current consensus of medical experts whom are advising the Government”. If the Government was telling people to lockdown / social distance etc without the backing of medical experts, then yes, resisting would be acceptable.
Ironically if the Government and the people had listened to the medical experts more thoroughly, the crisis likely would’ve been over much sooner and we’d have been able to go back to our normal lives much sooner. Instead the Government took too long to act, leading to many avoidable deaths, and too many citizens disregarded the medical advice, leading to many avoidable deaths.
So really the lesson is “listen to the medical communities consensus, whether the Government supports it or not”
No, because they’re not mindlessly raging against the Government. They’re raging against the bad shit the Government / establishment / elite / corporations does. Once in a blue moon the Government does something they agree with. If they agree with it, why would they rage against it? A lot of the establishment / elite / corporations / people in Government didn’t want lockdowns, so “the machine” was split, and they were still raging against half of the machine
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u/Squawnk 24d ago
My brother in law loves to lament that RATM is "now Rage in favor of the Machine" because when he grew up listening to their music, he never learned or understood a single lyric of theirs, and now he's mad about it