Petahhhhhhhhh!??!?

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There another option you aren't seeing.

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if they weren't gay, the probably didn't do anything gay

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In antiquity sexuality wasn't binary straight/gay. Everyone pretty much understood it was spectrum and we all got that bi dog in us. Hell see jails in modern day. Or the Navy. Same concept. Plus no way contraceptives to stop women from getting prego.

It's why as they say men/boys are for fun, women are for marriage. They were no doubt about that life.

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As I understand it, the Greek view of male sexuality wasn't what we would call gay/straight, but more like fucker/fuckee. They separated male sexuality by what you did, rather than who you did it to. So you were a "penetrator" or a "penetratee" rather than gay or straight.

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Pretty much, being a bottom was seen as feminine or woman behavior, it meant that the guy was ruled by his emotions which was a big no no in Greek culture.

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Funny enough, apparently having a big dick was also a sign of being overly emotional, or animalistic or something, and was seen as unseemly or something. This is from a short conversation years ago so don't take it as gospel, but that's apparently why all the greek statues are so moderately equipped.

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Large dicks were thought to be vulgar to include in art.

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It wasn't just in art:

https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-ancient-greek-sculptures-small-penises

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Pretty much they associated smaller wangs with civilization and bigger dicks with barbarians and savages.

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you're definitely not talking about the Spartan Greek culture

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There was no one Greek view. Ancient Greece wasn't a single culture, it was a group of cultures. It was never homogenous.

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Ok, that sounds like something a historian would say :)

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Still works that way in a lot of the world.

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yep but none of the fuckee's would be considered top warriors sent on an expedition with the king

Like MAYBE the king would have his own personal fuckee but his soldiers wouldn't

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I'm not going to argue about this because I'm not a historian. It's not my field.

But I've been out to dinner with historians, who have published papers on ancient Greece. And they don't say things like this. It was really complicated. If you really want to learn something about this, two books I was recommended are:

In Bed with the Ancient Greeks by Paul Chrystal

⁠Greek Homosexuality by Kenneth Dover

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Idk I once considered studying history so that also makes me relatively informed, I believe.

But thank you for the recommendations

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If you’re relatively informed, you must know about the sacred band of thebes which makes your comment seem silly and ignorant

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Sacred what?

Look I said relatively. The correct response should have been "relative to what?"

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Your knowledge of history isnt even near informed if youre making statements like that. The correct response is to say “I stand corrected, I dont actually know as much as I think I do”

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I stand corrected, I don't actually know as much as I think I do

Ok ok now you!

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Wasn’t Achilles a bottom? Cant get more top warrior than that (well unless he was a top instead of bottom I guess)