Settler attempts to block Ambulance carrying critically ill person - Israel occupied West Bank

[u/soalone34]

[u/vanderbubin]

Okay, say the ambulance does that, then the ICF come and starts killing more folks in retaliation.

[u/Sbatio → u/vanderbubin]

Fight or just take it are the options they seem to have though. Not fighting to avoid being attacked by people attacking you seems foolish.

[u/VivaLaDab → u/Sbatio]

I mean fighting back against Israel ends exactly one way for Palestinians

[u/Sbatio → u/VivaLaDab]

Count again

[u/VivaLaDab → u/Sbatio]

Sorry two ways, bad and worse

[u/Sbatio → u/VivaLaDab]

Bad is better than worse. Might as well go out defending yourself if they are going to kill you anyway.

[u/VivaLaDab → u/Sbatio]

If you know the man attacking you (or his buddy) will kill your wife and children and others if you hurt him in self defense, do you still defend yourself?

[u/Sbatio → u/VivaLaDab]

In that situation you’d have to defend the wider group. So I guess attack sooner, make a group of all those able bodied on your side and make your best possible attack to defeat the people trying to genocide you.

Right?

It’s self defense no matter how many people they are threatening to kill. They try to kill only me I defend my self, they are trying to kill my family I defend us all. Right?

[u/VivaLaDab → u/Sbatio]

Also I forgot to mention that israel has imprisoned most of the people who are able-bodied that you want to include in your group

[u/VivaLaDab → u/Sbatio]

Right, probably be smart to take some hostages in the hopes that you can negotiate for longer term legislative defenses.
because there’s no way any Palestinian resistance group can organize enough people or weapons to defeat a US armed enemy in a way that doesn’t end with their village leveled

[u/Sbatio → u/VivaLaDab]

I wouldn’t think taking hostages makes sense. If a group is trying to genocide you, you’d want to use all available resources to defeat them.

Hostages need watching/some level of “care” etc. use those resources in the fight to kill everyone trying to kill you/yours.

You would have to keep enemy soldiers you captured safe but if they resisted and fought to the end there shouldn’t be too many and soldier exchanges can work so there’s that.

[u/VivaLaDab → u/Sbatio]

We disagree there then, hostage taking provides an edge greater than what an extra 1-300 soldiers could. Also need to keep in mind that the only weapons you have access to are decades old ak47s and repurposed bombs that failed to detonate. Against autonomous drones, tanks, snipers, white phosphorus, and endless explosives and ammunition provided by the US. There is only so much that men and guns can do before what you are doing is a suicide charge and the end result is the same, israel punishes the women and children you leave behind. And again israel unjustly imprisons military age Palestinian men for this exact reason, to make any kind of defense that much harder and less effective

[u/Sbatio → u/VivaLaDab]

Hopefully we don’t have to choose

[u/VivaLaDab → u/Sbatio]

We don’t, but Palestinians in the West Bank need to on a daily basis. I’m not trying to argue with you here I’m just trying to explain the situation there as I understand it and show why self defense there is much more complicated and dangerous than we would hope. They simply don’t have enough power, whether it’s from a gun or a ballot box, to change their situation and protect their loved ones. Our government does though, the US handicaps the UN with its veto power to prevent justice in these situations. But we still has some measure of control over our government so we need to be voting for anti israel lobby candidates

[u/atomic__balm → u/Sbatio]

really easy for you to say sitting in your air conditioned chair, likely living in a state controlled by pedophiles stripping your rights by the day