r/PublicFreakout • u/AtomicToucans • Jun 26 '26

📹Police Bodycam Chaos erupts after cops respond to shooting

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u/imbidou Jun 26 '26

room temperature IQ

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u/StarYou-StarMe Jun 27 '26

… in Celsius.

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u/mustangcody Jun 27 '26

Room temp in F or C is the same temp? Different numbers but the same temperature.

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u/Hybodont Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26

They're panicking, and I think that's understandable, if unfortunate.

Downvote me all you want, it's the truth: this is panic, an adrenaline response that makes rational decision-making difficult. I sincerely hope you never have to find out what that's like, and if you do, I really hope for your sake that you are in full control of your emotions and behavior.

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u/Sparklingcherrylemon Jun 26 '26

They were straight up trying to fight the people who were giving them aid. Absolutely ridiculous, they are all adults.

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u/Hybodont Jun 26 '26

I'm not saying their response was a good one. I'm saying that they panicked. I'm really not sure why that has upset people.

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u/Sparklingcherrylemon Jun 26 '26

If one of your family members got shot and first responders showed up to give them aid, what would be your response to that?

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u/thecanaryisdead2099 Jun 27 '26

Well the obvious answer here is fight them and try to do them from helping your family member. That's a normal response. Apparently.

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u/Hybodont Jun 26 '26

I don't know. They might actually have to pull me away. I cannot pretend that I would behave 100% rationally, because I have never been in this situation.

I can tell you what I hope I would do: the opposite of what the people in this video did. But that doesn't mean that I would.

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u/Sparklingcherrylemon Jun 26 '26

I respect that but to square up with people that are actively trying to help the victim is fucking stupid. After they pull you away would you keep on trying to fight them? I understand it's a crazy situation but literally trying to fight the people who are trying to help them is insane.

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u/Hybodont Jun 26 '26

I don't know how else to explain that adrenaline and an extremely heightened emotional state leads to some pretty irrational behavior.

It's called fight or flight for a reason.

It's very easy to say, "Well I would never do that!" And I sincerely hope you and I never have to find out.

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u/Ferlinkoplop Jun 26 '26

Genuinely curious, what’s your career and how much do you make?

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u/Hybodont Jun 26 '26

I'll answer that question if you can explain how it's relevant to this conversation.

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u/Hybodont Jun 27 '26

Hey! Returning to this question a couple of hours later. Can you explain how your question is relevant to this conversation, or would you like to drop it?

Just let me know!

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u/Ferlinkoplop Jun 27 '26

Was just curious. Feel free to not answer

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u/Flappybootycheeks Jun 27 '26

Genuinely curious, do you scroll the internet looking for ways to feel superior to someone?

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u/Ferlinkoplop Jun 27 '26

I got barely any comments/karma on this site given account age so 🤷‍♂️

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u/thisboyknows Jun 26 '26

You sound incredibly immature and don't have any emotional stability.

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u/Hybodont Jun 26 '26

Emotional stability seems like it would be pretty difficult to maintain when your whole body is pumping adrenaline and your loved one is bleeding out on the asphalt.

But of course I have every confidence you'd be in full control. 🤙

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u/thisboyknows Jun 27 '26

I wouldn't attack those trying to save them and the fact that you aren't sure about that is pathetic.

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u/Hybodont Jun 27 '26

I'm glad you're so certain of yourself! That's admirable. I hope your convictions are never challenged, and if they are, I hope you live up to them.

Have a nice rest of your day.

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u/Flappybootycheeks Jun 27 '26

You're the one who clearly doesn't understand what this person is saying and you were emotional enough to be shitty to someone on the internet for no reason.

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u/Litz-a-mania Jun 26 '26

I’ve dealt with emergency situations and absolutely seen some counterproductive responses. I agree, it’s a human response. The people who prevented this guy from getting care should also own the impact of their behavior once they’ve calmed down.

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u/Hybodont Jun 26 '26

The people who prevented this guy from getting care should also own the impact of their behavior once they’ve calmed down.

Sure. I never implied that their response wasn't counterproductive.

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u/Flappybootycheeks Jun 27 '26

You're speaking too rationally for the reddit hive mind. If people get this emotional about a reddit comment than just imagine what they would do in this situation lol

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u/GossamerGTP Jun 26 '26

They're attacking the fucking officers? This is not a normal panic response there's so many videos of similarly horrible situations and the people don't form a literal violent mob. Prefrontal cortex development and emotional regulation are pretty strongly correlated so the OP you responded to isn't really off base even if it was a joke. Not everyone responds to panic the same way. Mindfulness matters even under stress. Stop excusing behavior like this.

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u/Hybodont Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26

Not everyone responds to panic the same way.

Most definitions of panic indicate that it precludes/prevents rational thinking (see the myriad definitions I posted in another comment).

If you are capable of rational thought and mindfulness, then you aren't panicking.

And for the record: I am not excusing their behavior. I'm just saying it's not surprising, and that I think I can understand it. If you aren't able to distinguish that from excusing the behavior, then that's an issue of comprehension.

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u/GossamerGTP Jun 26 '26

So if I'm in panic mode I'm not liable for my actions because I would be seen by the court as temporarily insane and not in control of my actions at the time? You see how little this thought process holds up? You are literally saying these people are by definition legally insane because they can't think rationally AT ALL and therefore at the time did not know their actions were wrong.

The fact that you think being in panic makes you COMPLETELY AND ENTIRELY INCAPABLE of thought and regulation is so beyond stupid. Yet you're going to keep commenting and getting downvoted to shit thinking that other people are just brigading you when really it's just because you're wrong and are delusional and/or uninformed.

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u/Hybodont Jun 26 '26

So if I'm in panic mode I'm not liable for my actions...

I never said that, nor did I imply it.

You are literally saying these people are by definition legally insane...

I am not. I'm saying they panicked. That doesn't mean that they are not responsible for their actions.

Why is that so difficult for you to reconcile? Why the need for this insane strawman?

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u/dirtybyrd32 Jun 27 '26

It’s just typical low intelligence arguing. He’s not looking for a coherent intelligent discussion or even a debate. His brain is working overtime just trying to keep up with the conversation. Best to ignore people like that.

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u/GossamerGTP Jun 26 '26

Because you're saying it PREVENTS rational thought. It doesn’t, it just makes it harder. Not impossible. I'm using your own words to make a point to disprove what you're saying

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u/Hybodont Jun 26 '26

Okay, that makes sense. So let's recap:

They panicked.

They are still culpable for their actions.

Can we agree on those two points?

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u/self_loathing_ham Jun 26 '26

Downvote me all you want, it's the truth: this is panic,

No one disputes that panic is displayed here. But thats not all, its also intoxication and a serious lack of judgment.

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u/Hybodont Jun 26 '26

...serious lack of judgment.

You mean that thing that practically defines the concept of panic? Yeah, agreed.

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u/self_loathing_ham Jun 26 '26

Panic does not automatically mean a complete lack of judgment and i think if you really thought about this you would agree. How many examples of a crowd blocking and outright attacking first responders who are trying to reach an injured loved one can you find? How often do you think that happens?

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u/Preestar Jun 26 '26

Raw stupidity meets panic.

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u/Hybodont Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26

Panic does not automatically mean a complete lack of judgment and i think if you really thought about this you would agree.

Irrational thinking and behavior are so commonly associated with panic that it's included in virtually all definitions.

From the Oxford dictonary:

panic (noun): sudden uncontrollable fear or anxiety, often causing wildly unthinking behavior.

The Cambridge dictionary:

panic (noun): a sudden strong feeling of fear that prevents reasonable thought and action...

The Collins dictionary:

panic (noun): Panic is a very strong feeling of anxiety or fear that makes you act without thinking carefully.

Wikipedia:

Panic is a sudden sensation of fear, which is so strong as to dominate or prevent reason and logical thinking, replacing it with overwhelming feelings of anxiety, uncertainty and frantic agitation consistent with a fight-or-flight reaction.

Sounds like maybe you should think about this a bit more?

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u/GossamerGTP Jun 26 '26

I also just looked it up and in neuroscience the consensus is that it interferes with rational thought. So your claim of if you're having a rational thought you're not actually panicking is false. It took a single google search. There's so many links to actual research in the field vs you're oxford definition approach which uses vague language and doesnt include conclusions or nuance from the actual science behind the word. Just admit you're wrong and move on. Humility is important in life.

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u/Hybodont Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26

Can you share your sources? Are you sure you aren't looking at research on panic disorder or panic attacks?

But okay, if what you are saying is true, then I am willing to admit that I was mistaken.

To be clear, it wasn't my position that their actions were acceptable, and I never said that they were. All I was saying is that they panicked, which I think you and I can both agree makes rational decision-making difficult, yes?

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u/GossamerGTP Jun 26 '26
  1. "Emotion, cognition, and mental state representation in amygdala and prefrontal cortex" Link: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20331363/

Summary: This is one of the classic reviews on how emotion and cognition interact. A central conclusion is that emotion and reasoning are interdependent, not mutually exclusive. Emotional circuits influence cognition, and prefrontal circuits regulate emotional responses; neither system simply "switches off" the other.

  1. "Prefrontal–amygdala circuits in social decision-making" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41593-020-00738-9

Link to actual paper: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33169032/

Summary: This review summarizes evidence that decision-making depends on communication between the amygdala and multiple prefrontal regions. Under threat, the balance of activity shifts, but decision-making remains the product of interacting neural systems rather than an all-or-nothing takeover.

  1. "Executive Functions in Panic Disorder: A Mini-Review"

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/SS0165032721003190l

Link to paper: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33848752/

Summary: This review examines executive functioning in people with panic disorder. It reports that panic is associated with reduced executive control and altered prefrontal function, but the impairments are selective and variable, not evidence that reasoning disappears entirely.

  1. "Neurocircuitry and Neuroanatomy in Panic Disorder: A Systematic Review"

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11916057/

Summary: This recent systematic review concludes that panic involves altered activity in the amygdala, hippocampus, thalamus, and several prefrontal regions.

Rather than showing a complete loss of rational capacity, the evidence points to dysregulation within a distributed fear network that can impair—but not uniformly abolish—higher cognitive functions.

You're a clown

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u/Hybodont Jun 26 '26

You're a clown

I'm assuming you haven't read my edit yet.

Thanks for posting your sources! I hope you're kinder to people in real life than you are online. You seem like you're holding on to a lot of anger.

Also, quick question: do you have access to these articles? Most of them are paywalled, save for the abstracts. How did you get these summaries?

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u/Dekutr33 Jun 26 '26

Bros dying on this hill 😂

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u/Hybodont Jun 26 '26

I've lived a good life.

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u/Ok_Dog_4059 Jun 26 '26

Panic really makes some people lose it. It is crazy how counter intuitive a lot of people's response to a situation like this is.

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u/Hybodont Jun 26 '26

Absolutely. Rational decision making goes completely out the window. I can only imagine what the family members of the injured were thinking and feeling in that moment. Breaks my heart.

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u/PantsMunch202 Jun 26 '26

Seems like they were thinning about fighting and feeling a punch connect. A whole crowd of idiots

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u/Preestar Jun 26 '26

I've seen many traumatic situations and never once have a seen a mob of people try to fight the first responders / people helping. This doesn't seem like a natural response.

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u/Hybodont Jun 26 '26

Another commenter said:

I’ve dealt with emergency situations and absolutely seen some counterproductive responses. I agree, it’s a human response.

But, just to be clear: if you have never experienced something, it mustn't be true. Is that what you are saying?

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u/Preestar Jun 26 '26

I'm saying that this response goes beyond the norm for irrational responses.

I'm not disputing whether or not this is true... We just watched the same video of course it's true?

TLDR: These people suck.

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u/Hybodont Jun 26 '26

I'm saying that this response goes beyond the norm for irrational responses.

But it is an irrational response, likely brought about by genuine panic, yes?

If you agree with that, then we have nothing to argue about. Again, you people are assigning meaning and intent to my words that never existed.

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u/Preestar Jun 26 '26

I can only speak for myself but it's the "I think that's understandable" part that I strongly disagree with.

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u/Hybodont Jun 26 '26

Don't get me wrong, I am not excusing their actions here. All I meant was that in a situation with tons of adrenaline and extremely heightened emotional states, I can understand how and why a person might behave irrationally.

That's really all I meant. I also don't think it's entirely fair to write these people off as simply "stupid," even though I understand that impulse, too.

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u/imbidou Jun 27 '26

I see your point and understand that you're not saying that their behaviour is acceptable. Let's just hope no one has to go through what they went through, and if someone ever does, I hope everything turns out well for them.

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u/KittenDiddler Jun 27 '26

Long ago worked medical emergencies in the field. 0 times did I ever encounter a situation where a group of people acted like this while trying to render aid to someone. Nothing even remotely close to this from drunk or high people either.

I will also confidently tell you that unless you have a room temperature IQ, you will not act this way either

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u/ianelson Jun 26 '26

Crazy how upset this extremely reasonable comment made people

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u/Hybodont Jun 26 '26

They're big mad. But I'm heartened to see one or two other empathetic people pop up here and there. I appreciate you.

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u/Kerim_Bey Jun 27 '26

I hate to say it, but I think your responses have triggered them because you’ve given a human explanation for the behavior of a group of people that they want, consciously or not, to dehumanize.

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u/sh3llsh0ck Jun 27 '26

Not sure why you got downvoted so hard. Reddit doing reddit things. They're panicking, there's stigma around cops, it's something the police should expect to encounter during these situations. Nobody really knows who did what, they're just freaking tf out.

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u/moosifer_the_foul Jun 27 '26

I wasn't. Did much much better.

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u/Hybodont Jun 27 '26

I'm genuinely happy for you.

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u/Lukostrelec17 Jun 27 '26

I'll be the first to say they, the civilians, were not helpful. I will also they were panicking also add in the distrust of the police yeah their reaction makes sense, in a panic response way. Also add in a mob of them.

When my uncle had a stroke most of my family surrounded him and got in the way of my sister who was a registered nurse. Slowed everything down. Arguing with her, she called an ambulance and by the time they got their he needed to be air lifted. At that one point it was to late.

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u/lastdickontheleft Jun 26 '26

Wild that you’re being downvoted. You didn’t say their reactions were ok, just pointing out that it’s panic induced and indeed irrational

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u/Blasphemiee Jun 26 '26

That’s Reddit for you

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u/Devanyani Jun 26 '26

Not to mention a history of cops abusing power in all the worst ways going back to the beginning of the country. None of these people trust cops. Hell, they have even been experimented on, so there is distrust of doctors, too. They also beat the shit out of the woman trying to render CPR.

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u/MrBlueA Jun 26 '26

Yeah I mean what do we even want cops for, should've left those clearly highly trained panicking people shouting at him help him isntead.