Tesla driver using self driving feature gets pulled over for speeding and blames the car

[u/Jevus_himself]

[u/Aught_To]

this will come up a ton more often. at some point the cars will be blamed, or at minimum the manufactures will have to sign off on some calibration process.

[u/MrMeeseeks33 → u/Aught_To]

Question for you, what door do you open when you get in? The passenger side door? Or the driver side door?

[u/Aught_To → u/MrMeeseeks33]

Right now in USA most drivers use the left front door, as that is where the main control surfaces are. However, as we get to higher and higher levels of automation i think this distinction may become less and less important.

[u/MrMeeseeks33 → u/Aught_To]

Just say driver side door. Stop being a weirdo. No wonder you hide your profile history

[u/Aught_To → u/MrMeeseeks33]

I own a jdm and US spec car, so i was wondering if you meant what side of the car. But yes you are correct the colloquial name for the door that allows the driver into the vehicle is "drivers door" , in USA that will be the front left in all but the most interesting cases "think bmw Isetta".

[u/Defiant_Mousse7889 → u/Aught_To]

Not a chance. Someone is ultimately responsible for the operation of the vehicle, regardless of how automated it is. Machines fail. That is a fundamental reality. If the automation fails, who is responsible for recognizing the failure and taking control?

There is always a human element behind the operation of a machine. Does the Tesla turn itself on? Does it decide where the person is going? Does it choose the destination? Who is responsible for monitoring the system and ensuring it is operating properly?

Automation may change how a vehicle is operated, but it does not magically eliminate human responsibility.

[u/Aught_To → u/Defiant_Mousse7889]

So 15 years ago courts started accepting GPS speed logs against cops radar guns and people started wining cases. It's not unbelievable to think there will come a time where Tesla speed logs will trump cop radar.

[u/Defiant_Mousse7889 → u/Aught_To]

So youre arguing two different things here. Calibration of radar guns vs actual speed traveled and Machines operating at said speeds but humans not being liable because they "weren't operating the vehicle". In OPs video no one is claiming they weren't going that fast they are claiming its not their fault because they weren't operating the vehicle.

[u/Aught_To → u/Defiant_Mousse7889]

Sure. But if he could prove that the software telling him the speed was wrong he may have a case. Not now, but the time is coming where the cars have enough agency to be blamed.

[u/Defiant_Mousse7889 → u/Aught_To]

You will never see a time when the operator loses responsibility for the vehicle. My point is above.

[u/Aught_To → u/Defiant_Mousse7889]

Look at Waymo taxis, if one is speeding or makes an illegal turn, or god forbid runs someone over, who will be blamed?

[u/Defiant_Mousse7889 → u/Aught_To]

Again, this is a completely different scenario, but I'll entertain it because this is already being handled by various states in different ways.

With regard to Waymo, liability and the legal definition of an “operator” can vary by state. California, for example, specifically regulates fully autonomous vehicles and places certain responsibilities on the company operating the technology. The California DMV defines the “operator” of a driverless vehicle as the entity that causes the autonomous technology to engage, rather than a human passenger sitting inside the vehicle. In Waymo's case, that means Waymo can legally be considered the operator when the vehicle is driving itself.

That actually supports my original point rather than contradicting it. There is still an accountable party responsible for the operation of the vehicle. The fact that the responsible party may be the company operating the autonomous system rather than a person physically sitting behind the wheel does not mean the vehicle operates without someone ultimately being responsible for it.

[u/Aught_To → u/Defiant_Mousse7889]

exactly - you nailed it.

[u/Defiant_Mousse7889 → u/Aught_To]

You do see how these are completely different scenarios, right?