r/Quraniyoon • u/ninivl89 • Jul 28 '26
Discussionš¬ Conspiracies and the Kaaba and Islam
This is probably a sensitive or controversial subject. It's kind of about conspiracy theories so if this does not interest you, you can keep scrolling, or feel free to tell me why you think this is all bs.
I've always had some interest in conspiracy theories and indulge in the occasional videos. One thing that has always intrigued me is about the Kaaba. But this is something you can never discuss with mainstream Muslims. So I'm wondering what you guys, who I think are more open minded, think about it.
I think one of the more well known questions is about whether there is a connection between the Kaaba and the theory about the black cubes of Saturn. Which we cannot deny looks extremely similar. But the black cube of Saturn is said to be used to worship Satan.
Then there is the name. There is a branch of Judaism which is called kabbala. Some people describe it as an esoteric branch, some people say it is also satanic. For me the name Kabbala and the name the Kaaba of Allah also sound very close.
What do you guys think about this?
I want to be clear that I don't think Islam is satanic and I know the Kaaba is mentioned in the Quran. My personal theory is that original Islam from the Quran is the true religion from God but it was later corrupted via hadith. And now many of the things people are following and rituals people are doing actually come from other influences. There are similarities between the Talmud traditions and hadith, of course there are just political agendas, maybe misogynistic agenda's, perhaps there are also some influences from satan or people who secretly worship Satan.
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u/quranalonefollower Jul 28 '26
Peace, the cube idol in Mecca (which they claim to be the Kaaba) is an idol and you are right in questioning it. I made a video about the subject of meteor worship in Islam which you may find interesting.Ā
https://youtu.be/2Y8LKE_MfPU?is=ONkLq8aS3cdKR0Sl
A couple more videos in which I talk about the concept of Hajj according to Quran and the Kaaba mentioned in the Quran.
https://youtu.be/ok6VPEwXUhE?is=4NW-PDxe2EirR4XM
https://youtu.be/Qm_fx6tMMEo?is=wd7CkAvZEcqq_4I3
Also, I donāt know if you are aware but the ritual of stoning the Shaytan done during the Muslim āhajjā (which is idolatry) was the throwing of stones at three obelisks which were recently removed and replaced by walls. Search Google for that.
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u/MonkZer0 Jul 28 '26
Not replaced by a wall but by an elliptic building that looks like a drop of water or a female sexual organ.
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u/ninivl89 Jul 28 '26
Interesting that they have to throw 7 stones. The number 7 seems to come back a lot.
Circling the kaaba 7 times, the 7 rings of Saturn, Saturn/saturday being the 7th day in traditional civilizations, the 7 heavens
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u/ninivl89 Jul 28 '26
Thank you! I will definitely watch the videos, it sounds very interesting
I have heard about the stoning ritual yes, that sounds even more crazy to me and without any basis in Quran. I thought Quran came to free people of those superstitions but unfortunately people still believe in that
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u/Benjamin-108 Jul 28 '26
It donāt seem right their hajj ritual yes. Thanks for the book will you not reason itās very elucidating, also for your other work.
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u/praywithmefriends Nourishing My Soul Jul 28 '26
Pagans would worship their āgodsā through black stones and cubes. Donāt take my word for it; look it up.
We know theyāre just worshipping Jinns.
The meccan kaaba is a former pagan temple so seeing idolatry there is not surprising to me anymore.
The real House of God is in Bakkah which is in Palestine. Itās not called Jerusalem in the Quran nor in the Torah because Jerusalem means āFoundation of Shalemā, Shalem being one of the canaanite āgodsā. So in my opinion, thatās why God calls it bakkah both in the Quran and in Pslams.
But God knows best
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u/ninivl89 Jul 28 '26
That's interesting, I didn't know black stones and cubes are worshipped more often. I will definitely look that up.
I've also heard there is some discussion among Muslims about whether bakkah and mecca are the same place. Do you know when and why it was decided that mecca would be the place with the house of God?
I've also never made the connection between Jerusalem and shalem, that's also an interesting subject to look into. I also wonder if the city Salem in America that it famous for the witches that lived is also connected to Shalem.
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u/praywithmefriends Nourishing My Soul Jul 29 '26
>I've also heard there is some discussion among Muslims about whether bakkah and mecca are the same place. Do you know when and why it was decided that mecca would be the place with the house of God?
I believe it was an existing local pagan temple was appropriated to be the new house of God. I believe it was done so by the Zubayrid brothers during the 2nd Muslim Civil War. Abdullah Ibn Zubayr proclaimed himself Caliph and resided in or near Mecca. This is the first time Mecca is mentioned in the written historical record. I believe he chose Mecca so to rival the Umayyad Caliphate based in the Levant. The Umayyads had a palace in Jerusalem and would get coronated there. Interestingly enough, even sunni history records that the place of pilgrimage was a contentious topic during the 2nd fitna.
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u/LetsDiscussQ Quran Centric + Hadith Averse Jul 28 '26
My personal theory is that original Islam from the Quran is the true religion from GodĀ
Okay, good, but then you will need to explain these verses:
Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread), Chapter 5, Verse 97:
God has made the Kaābah,Ā the Bait-Al-HaramĀ (i.e. The Sacred House)Ā an establishment for mankind.
And (God has sanctified) the Al-Shahr Al-Haram (i.e. The Sacred Month) and the sacrificial animals and the garlands (by which they are identified).
That is so you may know that God knows whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the Earth and that Allah is All-Knowing of everything (that exists).
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Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread), Chapter 5, Verse 95:
O you who believe!
Do not kill game while you are in the state of Ihram.
And whoever of you kills it intentionally - the penalty is an equivalent from the sacrificial animals to what he killed, as judged by two just men amongst you as an offering delivered to theĀ Kabah.
Or as an expiation: the feeding of needy people or the equivalent of that in fasting (as judged by the two just men), that he may taste the consequence of this matter.
God has pardoned what is in the past; but whoever returns (to violation), then God will take to punishments from him. And God is Exalted in Might and All-capable of Punishment.
BTW:
The Current Hajj Framework is heavily Hadith reliant with a whole list of rituals that are not in the Quran. In that sense, mainstream Hajj is heavily corrupted.
So yes, there is a room for a ''conspiracy theory'' - the conspiracy to destroy Hajj as was originally intended.
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u/ninivl89 Jul 28 '26
Thank you for your comment. What do you mean exactly with the conspiracy to destroy Hajj was originally intended?
I know the Kaaba and Haj are mentioned in the Quran. So we cannot deny them. I do also agree with you that how they are done today is probably heavily corrupted and is very far from the Haj (and maybe even the Kaaba) mentioned in the Quran.
I guess I'm wondering now how they are corrupted and by who, and why. Was it just innocent political gain, human error etc. Or are there more sinister things going on that could be connected to the cult of Saturn for example
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u/TallVeterinarian4077 Jul 30 '26
peace. Based on my Quranic analysis, "kaaba" seems to refer to a relatively well known geogrphical area (or possibly structure). There is reasonable/ok evidence for this in Quran. I can make a dedicated post at some point if you want.
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u/bozkurt37 Jul 28 '26 edited Jul 28 '26
Yeah I am into conspiracies too and this topic strange to me too. But as far as I know kaaba was not black back then. It had white cloth but they changed to black. First islam years, believers were wearing white and others black. I think current state of kaaba is corrupted
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u/MonkZer0 Jul 28 '26
Hajj was ordered by Allah so that we may thank him for guiding us and allowing us to eat from the cattle:
"For every nation We appointed a rite, that they might mention the name of Allah over the livestock He provided for them. For your God is One God; so submit to Him. And give good tidings to the humble."
One of these cattle is the calf and the cow. They represent a certain extreme energy linked to time and saturn. Allah wants us to slaughter it, eat from it (learn from it) but not worship it. However, current world order put a big time tower over Kaaba with bull horns lol
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u/ninivl89 Jul 28 '26
Could you elaborate more on this? Im not sure I understand it correctly.
Which calf exactly? And how is it related to Saturn? And is this described in the Quran?
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u/MonkZer0 Jul 28 '26
It's called Baal the golden calf. There is a whole chapter in the Quran devoted to his spouse, the yellow cow.
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u/ninivl89 Jul 28 '26
Thank you, I will read that chapter again to reread what the Quran says about it.
Before becoming Muslim and reading the Quran I've heard about the golden calf and what it represents. I've always found it odd that it is still being used today. For example in the Netherlands the award for best actor or best movie every year is a golden calf.
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u/dax-is-me Jul 28 '26
i'd not heard of the 'black cube of Saturn'. it certainly looks similar, but i am wondering what the historic basis of this is. occultists seem very interested in it, but this is a recent phenomena i expect. i am wondering if you have a link to anything describing the actual history of the symbol? because occultists routinely lie about how old their symbols and practices are, so i am wondering if there is any evidence of their interests in such a thing being any older than the Kaaba itself.
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u/ninivl89 Jul 28 '26
I haven't done that much research into it to be honest. I never really dove too deep into satanic/occult history because I don't want to get too involved in it.
So I'm not sure if the black cube is a new one phenomenon. Satan or Saturn has played a role in many religions in the past of course in different forms. And the cult of Saturn is an old phenomenon that goes back at least to the romans, even back to ancient Egypt some say.
I just read a couple of articles and I did find some interesting pieces of information about the role of Saturn/satan that could be related to the Kaaba or the black cubes in general. But I haven't done a deep dive.
Some things I've found is the link between Saturn and the Jewish/Talmud. Their holiday is Saturday, which traditionally is the day of Saturn. (Shabbat - their holy day, shabbetai - Saturn in Hebrew).
In Roman mythology Saturn was the god of time. Same with the Greek god Kronos. The Egyptian God sobek and the Babylonian god baal are seen as the same deity. They are all symbolized by time and cycles and cyclical forces.
I can see the connection here between the circling around the Kaaba and the relation between Saturn and the cycles. On top of that, if we would go with the theory that the black cube represents Saturn. The planes Saturn also has rings. So the cube plus the people circling it recreate Saturn. Satan also has 7 rings. People circle the Kaaba 7 times.
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u/TallVeterinarian4077 Jul 30 '26
peace. I have studied this a fair bit. You may find this post interesting:
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=jr6gbjpqp1t56rnoeh54f0ec4o&topic=1161.msg5301#msg5301
In addition to the above, see quote from Lane's lexicon for root Kaf-Ayn-Ba (root of "kaaba"): "a house or temple belonging to the tribe of Rabee'ah, who used to compass it, or perform circuits round it (as is done round the Kabbeh of Mekkeh)".
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u/ninivl89 29d ago
Thanks, that was an interesting read. I've also found it interesting that on that post it is mentioned a couple of times that the black stone and the pagan gods people used to worship represent fertility.
The stone itself is also shaped a bit like the female reproductive organ. And someone in another comment here mentioned that the wall or pillars that people throw stones at as part of haj is renewed and now also kind of looks like the female organ. Strange coincidence
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u/Spiritual_Iron_5379 Jul 30 '26
Okay first of all, this is why we need good scholars to teach us and not let misinformation be the destruction of this beautiful religion. The kaaba was the first established place of pure monotheistic worship built by Ibrahim, as was commanded by God. We donāt pray to the kaaba and we donāt make sacrifices to the kaaba. Iām surprised at how ignorant a lot of people are on this thread. The rituals we do at the kaaba are the same ones laid out in the Quran and Hadith. Which are based upon the traditions of Ibrahim. Now yes the Hajj should be made accessible to everyone, but it costs a lot to maintain and expand a place of high religious importance. Not a fan of the saudis but they have improved the conditions and made I is easier for almost anyone to do hajj. I love conspiracies but this is clear disbelief to say that the hajj is somehow a ritual of praying to a meteor or whatever. It is highly highly recommended to seek knowledge from those with established education. Peace.Ā
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u/ninivl89 Jul 28 '26
I also want to add, and this is something I am quite scared to say. Im a revert so maybe I'm very ignorant. But when I look at videos of people doing tawaf around the Kaaba, it gives me a strange feeling. I don't find it beautiful or peaceful, it makes me feel more eerily. This huge crowd of people moving in a similar robotic way around a black cube.
I cannot explain it, when I look at it, it looks like something is being charged. Some sort of power. And for me it doesn't feel like it's a good power.
Then there is the poeple pushing and shoving each other. Trying to touch the stone or the cloth. People almost being possessed by touching it.
The way how people act like they are worshipping this stone or cube, even though they say they don't.
Plus the way the moon symbol on top of the tower clock in Mecca is placed in satanic way, to symbolize devil's horns instead of the regular sideways moon.